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What a fantastic color you had on your l405 . I saw a SWB AB in that color with the pimento (red) interior it was one of the most gorgeous color combinations I had ever seen.
My L405 is plain jane black on black. While I don't have the 1700W Meriden sound system I have the 1200W which puts the G63 harmon kardon to shame.
What kind of electrical issues did you have ?
My L405 is plain jane black on black. While I don't have the 1700W Meriden sound system I have the 1200W which puts the G63 harmon kardon to shame.
What kind of electrical issues did you have ?
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Battery kept on draining, replaced it, checked all wiring harnesses etc but had to tow it 3 times (couldn’t be jump started either) with many days in the workshop at the time ....
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I’m sure it will be capable but I’m not sure it’s a direct G-Class competitor.
Have a new Range Rover Autobiography and a 2019 G63. I honestly think I like the Range Rover a little better. Little things here and there.. the Burmester audio is crap compared to the Meridian, for example.
I have never had problems with the Range Rover or the G63. Nonetheless, I get bored really easily and G63 is going when my Urus arrives soon and I am looking forward to replacing the Range Rover with the next generation next year.
Have a new Range Rover Autobiography and a 2019 G63. I honestly think I like the Range Rover a little better. Little things here and there.. the Burmester audio is crap compared to the Meridian, for example.
I have never had problems with the Range Rover or the G63. Nonetheless, I get bored really easily and G63 is going when my Urus arrives soon and I am looking forward to replacing the Range Rover with the next generation next year.
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JLR is kind of a weird company. The car you get depends on the mood at the factory that day. My experience has been you get a good one or you get a turd. What doesn’t help is the atrociously incompetent service departments at ALL Land Rover dealers. I have an L320 that has 150k and is still going with no faults and a 16 FFRR which is great. I also had a 15 SVR which was lemoned. The FFRR lease is over soon and think we’ll be getting another one (crossing my fingers).
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I’m sure it will be capable but I’m not sure it’s a direct G-Class competitor.
Have a new Range Rover Autobiography and a 2019 G63. I honestly think I like the Range Rover a little better. Little things here and there.. the HK audio is crap compared to the Meridian, for example.
Have a new Range Rover Autobiography and a 2019 G63. I honestly think I like the Range Rover a little better. Little things here and there.. the HK audio is crap compared to the Meridian, for example.
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Sorry, I meant Burmester. I wish MB would offer the upper end model found in the S-Class rather than the basic Burmester. But even then, the upper end Burmester still doesn’t sound as nice as the Meridian.
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Meriden sounds awesome.
The absolute best I’ve had was bang and Olfsen in my last two m5s. It’s a 1200W system with the floating speakers (for look). I’ve heard it in the Audi’s too and it’s phenomenal. Truly sounds amazing.
Meriden is second.
Logic 7 I’ve had in a few bmws is also really good and so was bmws hifi (which I thought was Harmon kardon).
Harmon kardon in Mercedes is total trash compared to those three. The sound system in my C63 was just as awful. I wish there was a easy cheap upgrade for the Gs lack of audio.
The absolute best I’ve had was bang and Olfsen in my last two m5s. It’s a 1200W system with the floating speakers (for look). I’ve heard it in the Audi’s too and it’s phenomenal. Truly sounds amazing.
Meriden is second.
Logic 7 I’ve had in a few bmws is also really good and so was bmws hifi (which I thought was Harmon kardon).
Harmon kardon in Mercedes is total trash compared to those three. The sound system in my C63 was just as awful. I wish there was a easy cheap upgrade for the Gs lack of audio.
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I’m sure it will be capable but I’m not sure it’s a direct G-Class competitor.
Have a new Range Rover Autobiography and a 2019 G63. I honestly think I like the Range Rover a little better. Little things here and there.. the Burmester audio is crap compared to the Meridian, for example.
I have never had problems with the Range Rover or the G63. Nonetheless, I get bored really easily and G63 is going when my Urus arrives soon and I am looking forward to replacing the Range Rover with the next generation next year.
Have a new Range Rover Autobiography and a 2019 G63. I honestly think I like the Range Rover a little better. Little things here and there.. the Burmester audio is crap compared to the Meridian, for example.
I have never had problems with the Range Rover or the G63. Nonetheless, I get bored really easily and G63 is going when my Urus arrives soon and I am looking forward to replacing the Range Rover with the next generation next year.
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I have been lucky with Range Rovers and have never had problems. My 2019 has 5k miles and the only issue I have had is the touch screen going crazy and completely shutting off while I was driving a few weeks after I got it. It only happened that once and never happened again. I've never had the lag with the touchscreen and the over the air updates I got a few weeks ago has made everything even quicker.
What makes the Range Rover a bit better to me is rear seat comfort since I am driven around quite often. The rear of the G63 feels basic while the rear of my Range Rover feels more beautiful and luxurious with the executive rear package, large touch screens, rear massage, amazing audio system and glass roof. When you're in the drivers seat, the G63 is quite fun to drive.
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I wouldn’t say that. Some will but the majority won’t. I will be if my dealer doesn’t have my allocation in coming months. Mercedes is getting to be like Ferrari and Porsche with the allocation games and fake limited supply.
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Totally wrong. How is it an “allocation game” when the factory is running full out?
A Porsche GT3 is artificially reduced supply since the normal 911 plant could make more GT3s instead of other models.
There’s a reason why demand is high. A G is worth the wait.
The Land Rover will depreciate like a Rock.
A Porsche GT3 is artificially reduced supply since the normal 911 plant could make more GT3s instead of other models.
There’s a reason why demand is high. A G is worth the wait.
The Land Rover will depreciate like a Rock.
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Totally wrong. How is it an “allocation game” when the factory is running full out?
A Porsche GT3 is artificially reduced supply since the normal 911 plant could make more GT3s instead of other models.
There’s a reason why demand is high. A G is worth the wait.
The Land Rover will depreciate like a Rock.
A Porsche GT3 is artificially reduced supply since the normal 911 plant could make more GT3s instead of other models.
There’s a reason why demand is high. A G is worth the wait.
The Land Rover will depreciate like a Rock.
America didn’t get many special edition G’s, won’t allow exclusive manufaktur options nor Euro delivery at the G experience center. Some dealers are selling peoples allocations, they are charging ADM and making buyers wait endlessly for an allocation much like Porsche has allowed its dealer network to do. Mercedes is complicit in this game. Not saying all dealers but there are more and more doing it.
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Not allowing Exclusiv options (in the US?) is surely not an example of how MB playing dirty. There’s tons of margin in those options. Seems to me like they are not allowing these options to increase volume and get more cars into consumers’ hands.
Depreciation is important because it affects your cost per mile. I wouldn’t pay significantly more per mile to drive a lesser car.
Depreciation is important because it affects your cost per mile. I wouldn’t pay significantly more per mile to drive a lesser car.
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Since this is the MB forum we can express our feelings for Land Rover freely: I’ve known several people who have owned recent model Range Rovers. All have gotten out of them as quickly as possible because of horrendous reliability.
Can’t image how a brand new model will fare when they can’t get the reliability right on older models. You must like spending time at your dealership...
Can’t image how a brand new model will fare when they can’t get the reliability right on older models. You must like spending time at your dealership...
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Having owned both brands equally neither is better than the other. You’ve never heard the addage, it’s not a Mercedes if it’s not broken? (This is coming from someone who just had a lemoned Sport SVR). Each has their own issue but I love to hate and hate to love Land Rover.
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Since this is the MB forum we can express our feelings for Land Rover freely: I’ve known several people who have owned recent model Range Rovers. All have gotten out of them as quickly as possible because of horrendous reliability.
Can’t image how a brand new model will fare when they can’t get the reliability right on older models. You must like spending time at your dealership...
Can’t image how a brand new model will fare when they can’t get the reliability right on older models. You must like spending time at your dealership...
https://www.forbes.com/pictures/ehmk.../#7c1d8e866242
In addition to being the highest selling $100k+ vehicle on the market, by a large margin. Seems like they’re doing something right if people are buying them despite your criticisms.
The G makes the list of the top vehicles that are traded in within a year of buying -
https://www.iseecars.com/new-cars-ow...eep-2019-study
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Your anecdote isn’t rooted in reality. Inverse, really. Range Rover has the highest brand loyalty of any luxury vehicle on the market
https://www.forbes.com/pictures/ehmk.../#7c1d8e866242
In addition to being the highest selling $100k+ vehicle on the market, by a large margin. Seems like they’re doing something right if people are buying them despite your criticisms.
The G makes the list of the top vehicles that are traded in within a year of buying -
https://www.iseecars.com/new-cars-ow...eep-2019-study
https://www.forbes.com/pictures/ehmk.../#7c1d8e866242
In addition to being the highest selling $100k+ vehicle on the market, by a large margin. Seems like they’re doing something right if people are buying them despite your criticisms.
The G makes the list of the top vehicles that are traded in within a year of buying -
https://www.iseecars.com/new-cars-ow...eep-2019-study
I too have plenty of anecdotal evidence of the opposite. My guesstimate is that more than half of the Range Rover owners I know have had problems ranging from annoying to severe. Including my father that had one that the dealer lemoned after two years but then had problems with the replacement one as well so I convinced him to get a G back in 2016. That has run like a clock (we both live in the countryside so reliability is a big factor, my father worried sick because he was never sure whether his car would start when going to the airport etc which is not a great testament to the quality of a "high-end luxury car").
Brother in law also got a lemon that was replaced (he had to pay like 10k€ in between though) and then the new one also had problems immediately (he's considering the G now).
One friend took delivery three weeks ago of a SC ABG and sure enough, after two days the electronics started acting up with screens flickering and turning off. Completely unacceptable for any car but especially one costing usd 200k.
I was choosing between a Range and the G when buying my latest car and obviously ended up buying the G for less money. Completely based on anecdotal evidence of ****-poor reliability on behalf of the Range.
That being said I have been an extremely loyal customer of Land Rover since I have owned Defenders since 2004 and they have never let me down. I just know that that will change with the new generation because they've stuck all their horrible electronics in it.
Interesting article on the subject:
"Out of 160 car models the poll found the Range Rover was the second least reliable, with a rating of 67 per cent. Non-engine electrics were the most common issue in these cars and 17 per cent had suspension problems. Nearly a third of the cars had to be taken off the road for more than a week."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nreliable.html
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Thats interesting. Strange that brand loyalty and reliability doesn't go hand in hand.
I too have plenty of anecdotal evidence of the opposite. My guesstimate is that more than half of the Range Rover owners I know have had problems ranging from annoying to severe. Including my father that had one that the dealer lemoned after two years but then had problems with the replacement one as well so I convinced him to get a G back in 2016. That has run like a clock (we both live in the countryside so reliability is a big factor, my father worried sick because he was never sure whether his car would start when going to the airport etc which is not a great testament to the quality of a "high-end luxury car").
Brother in law also got a lemon that was replaced (he had to pay like 10k€ in between though) and then the new one also had problems immediately (he's considering the G now). One friend took delivery three weeks ago of a SC ABG and sure enough, after two days the electronics started acting up with screens flickering and turning off. Completely unacceptable for any car but especially one costing usd 200k.
I was choosing between a Range and the G when buying my latest car and obviously ended up buying the G for less money. Completely based on anecdotal evidence of ****-poor reliability on behalf of the Range.
That being said I have been an extremely loyal customer of Land Rover since I have owned Defenders since 2004 and they have never let me down. I just know that that will change with the new generation because they've stuck all their horrible electronics in it.
Interesting article on the subject:
"Out of 160 car models the poll found the Range Rover was the second least reliable, with a rating of 67 per cent. Non-engine electrics were the most common issue in these cars and 17 per cent had suspension problems. Nearly a third of the cars had to be taken off the road for more than a week."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nreliable.html
I too have plenty of anecdotal evidence of the opposite. My guesstimate is that more than half of the Range Rover owners I know have had problems ranging from annoying to severe. Including my father that had one that the dealer lemoned after two years but then had problems with the replacement one as well so I convinced him to get a G back in 2016. That has run like a clock (we both live in the countryside so reliability is a big factor, my father worried sick because he was never sure whether his car would start when going to the airport etc which is not a great testament to the quality of a "high-end luxury car").
Brother in law also got a lemon that was replaced (he had to pay like 10k€ in between though) and then the new one also had problems immediately (he's considering the G now). One friend took delivery three weeks ago of a SC ABG and sure enough, after two days the electronics started acting up with screens flickering and turning off. Completely unacceptable for any car but especially one costing usd 200k.
I was choosing between a Range and the G when buying my latest car and obviously ended up buying the G for less money. Completely based on anecdotal evidence of ****-poor reliability on behalf of the Range.
That being said I have been an extremely loyal customer of Land Rover since I have owned Defenders since 2004 and they have never let me down. I just know that that will change with the new generation because they've stuck all their horrible electronics in it.
Interesting article on the subject:
"Out of 160 car models the poll found the Range Rover was the second least reliable, with a rating of 67 per cent. Non-engine electrics were the most common issue in these cars and 17 per cent had suspension problems. Nearly a third of the cars had to be taken off the road for more than a week."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nreliable.html
Most of the people complaining about electrical issues in that survey likely have Stockholm Syndrome and will likely buy another Range Rover.
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That’s funny! Great way to start the day. Among all my friends with high-end cars, the universal truth is that Land Rover is junk. And all speak from direct experience of having owned one, or knowing someone who has.
I don’t base my beliefs on surveys, which can be easily skewed- but on direct experience from me or people I know.
I don’t base my beliefs on surveys, which can be easily skewed- but on direct experience from me or people I know.
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Agreed! That is the problem. There is no real alternative to the Range Rover as I see it. The G is actually a very different car in my opinion. So despite all the problems LR will continue selling them like hotcakes. Unfortunately.
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