Magna Steyr Graz closing tomorrow
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Okay - let me shoot straight here - in Euro both Italy and France - both countries are entirely locked down.
On the Daimler side - the MB factories are closing by this weekend - Magna Steyr will close this weekend - in essence European auto production for all brands is shutting down - stopping the supply chain from parts-assembly-shipment-inventory
Read the news - this is a EXCEPTIONAL WORLD WIDE EVENT - this will not go well - and this will NOT end early.
Now - your MB Dealer at any point can only report what they see in Netstar - and what NetStar says now - will be what NetStar says until two things both happen -
1) factories re-open
2) and if Mercedes chooses to update NetStar - and note with severe production delays here with SUV's in the US earlier this year - either MB choose NOT to update NetStar - or as many believe (including me) it's not possible to reset/update the full NetStar platform for ANY model.
Guy's - this will need to work itself out - if someone today thinks their G-Wagen is being built in April - no way - it will NOT happen until #1 and #2 above happen.
For my customer's - upfront yesterday/today I am advising customers with production order's now in NetStar - any model - that their delivery date is uncertain and will have major slippage but will be model year 2020 - and pre-order's in queue with me and not in assigned production date - again any model - are subject to severe slippage and will most likely become model year 2021.
At the moment - I consider model year 2021 at best to be a "late start" - and we will not know for quite a while what that "late start" will be.
For what it's worth - I am shooting straight from what I see from where I sit - and from what I am told "on a personal basis" from my friends both in Germany and Graz.
On the Daimler side - the MB factories are closing by this weekend - Magna Steyr will close this weekend - in essence European auto production for all brands is shutting down - stopping the supply chain from parts-assembly-shipment-inventory
Read the news - this is a EXCEPTIONAL WORLD WIDE EVENT - this will not go well - and this will NOT end early.
Now - your MB Dealer at any point can only report what they see in Netstar - and what NetStar says now - will be what NetStar says until two things both happen -
1) factories re-open
2) and if Mercedes chooses to update NetStar - and note with severe production delays here with SUV's in the US earlier this year - either MB choose NOT to update NetStar - or as many believe (including me) it's not possible to reset/update the full NetStar platform for ANY model.
Guy's - this will need to work itself out - if someone today thinks their G-Wagen is being built in April - no way - it will NOT happen until #1 and #2 above happen.
For my customer's - upfront yesterday/today I am advising customers with production order's now in NetStar - any model - that their delivery date is uncertain and will have major slippage but will be model year 2020 - and pre-order's in queue with me and not in assigned production date - again any model - are subject to severe slippage and will most likely become model year 2021.
At the moment - I consider model year 2021 at best to be a "late start" - and we will not know for quite a while what that "late start" will be.
For what it's worth - I am shooting straight from what I see from where I sit - and from what I am told "on a personal basis" from my friends both in Germany and Graz.
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Bexlee (03-19-2020)
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@fabbrisd1 thankyou so much for the honest and upfront detail.
Do you know what they're doing with built vehicles that are either on ships, or working their way through the VPCs? Are those shutting down also, or are they clearing that pipe?
That's an awful lot of stalled dealer revenue...
Do you know what they're doing with built vehicles that are either on ships, or working their way through the VPCs? Are those shutting down also, or are they clearing that pipe?
That's an awful lot of stalled dealer revenue...
#29
Okay - let me shoot straight here - in Euro both Italy and France - both countries are entirely locked down.
On the Daimler side - the MB factories are closing by this weekend - Magna Steyr will close this weekend - in essence European auto production for all brands is shutting down - stopping the supply chain from parts-assembly-shipment-inventory
Read the news - this is a EXCEPTIONAL WORLD WIDE EVENT - this will not go well - and this will NOT end early.
Now - your MB Dealer at any point can only report what they see in Netstar - and what NetStar says now - will be what NetStar says until two things both happen -
1) factories re-open
2) and if Mercedes chooses to update NetStar - and note with severe production delays here with SUV's in the US earlier this year - either MB choose NOT to update NetStar - or as many believe (including me) it's not possible to reset/update the full NetStar platform for ANY model.
Guy's - this will need to work itself out - if someone today thinks their G-Wagen is being built in April - no way - it will NOT happen until #1 and #2 above happen.
For my customer's - upfront yesterday/today I am advising customers with production order's now in NetStar - any model - that their delivery date is uncertain and will have major slippage but will be model year 2020 - and pre-order's in queue with me and not in assigned production date - again any model - are subject to severe slippage and will most likely become model year 2021.
At the moment - I consider model year 2021 at best to be a "late start" - and we will not know for quite a while what that "late start" will be.
For what it's worth - I am shooting straight from what I see from where I sit - and from what I am told "on a personal basis" from my friends both in Germany and Graz.
On the Daimler side - the MB factories are closing by this weekend - Magna Steyr will close this weekend - in essence European auto production for all brands is shutting down - stopping the supply chain from parts-assembly-shipment-inventory
Read the news - this is a EXCEPTIONAL WORLD WIDE EVENT - this will not go well - and this will NOT end early.
Now - your MB Dealer at any point can only report what they see in Netstar - and what NetStar says now - will be what NetStar says until two things both happen -
1) factories re-open
2) and if Mercedes chooses to update NetStar - and note with severe production delays here with SUV's in the US earlier this year - either MB choose NOT to update NetStar - or as many believe (including me) it's not possible to reset/update the full NetStar platform for ANY model.
Guy's - this will need to work itself out - if someone today thinks their G-Wagen is being built in April - no way - it will NOT happen until #1 and #2 above happen.
For my customer's - upfront yesterday/today I am advising customers with production order's now in NetStar - any model - that their delivery date is uncertain and will have major slippage but will be model year 2020 - and pre-order's in queue with me and not in assigned production date - again any model - are subject to severe slippage and will most likely become model year 2021.
At the moment - I consider model year 2021 at best to be a "late start" - and we will not know for quite a while what that "late start" will be.
For what it's worth - I am shooting straight from what I see from where I sit - and from what I am told "on a personal basis" from my friends both in Germany and Graz.
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I guess we just wait. I'm not complaining, these are first world problems worrying about when our Gs will arrive. I'll be happy when it gets here and in the meantime, everyone needs to take care of themselves and those around them.
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This articles updates often so one can find out the latest from most manufacturers in Europe: https://europe.autonews.com/automake...plant-closings
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I think the bigger problem for all manufacturers will be their supply chains which will be the rate limiting step in the equation.
Just my $0.02
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Exactly - until all parts are available a vehicle cannot be produced no matter how many people you have to screw them together. I predict production will ramp back up by May 1st, and then those of us with orders will find out how much of a delay to expect.
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My G63 build is scheduled for 2nd decade of April. It will be interesting to see what kind of delays we get. As we've been reading, a lot of customers are cancelling their orders. Might mean the car will come sooner than expected? My ETA was end of May/early June which is good for me, not any sooner. I wonder what's going to happen with their production. Thanks for the info!
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Now it appears that production may start after Easter: https://industriemagazin.at/a/magna-...der-hochfahren
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Magna Steyr plans to ramp up production in Graz again soon
Car maker and supplier Magna wants to ramp up production in Graz in a few days - but for now only prototype construction. Series production does not start until after Easter.Protective masks are compulsory throughout the factory, and protective walls are placed between employees during the snack.
Even if this happens, I wonder if they have an adequate supply of parts to produce most vehicles or if it will depend on the model? For example, the plant ceased
production March 17th, the week before my G550 build. I'm guessing that given my vehicle was just about set for production and I'm sure that these plants
carry parts on hand for at least a buffer of production time/units, might be ok. Given vehicles were being completed right up to the shutdown, I'm sure they have stock on parts for
at least a couple of months (maybe), and maybe more given the number of cancellations I have been hearing about. I guess we will see in a week if this actually happens
or whether an update comes out this week with a further push-back in terms of date. Also, from what I've experienced, I've seen shipping times have increased
worldwide, not sure if this is factor for vehicle ship transport but wouldn't surprise me. 6 weeks from production date to delivery is likely much too optimistic at this point.
Mid-late April production date likely wouldn't see until late June to the dealer at best I believe.
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Magna Steyr plans to ramp up production in Graz again soon
Car maker and supplier Magna wants to ramp up production in Graz in a few days - but for now only prototype construction. Series production does not start until after Easter.Protective masks are compulsory throughout the factory, and protective walls are placed between employees during the snack.
Even if this happens, I wonder if they have an adequate supply of parts to produce most vehicles or if it will depend on the model? For example, the plant ceased
production March 17th, the week before my G550 build. I'm guessing that given my vehicle was just about set for production and I'm sure that these plants
carry parts on hand for at least a buffer of production time/units, might be ok. Given vehicles were being completed right up to the shutdown, I'm sure they have stock on parts for
at least a couple of months (maybe), and maybe more given the number of cancellations I have been hearing about. I guess we will see in a week if this actually happens
or whether an update comes out this week with a further push-back in terms of date. Also, from what I've experienced, I've seen shipping times have increased
worldwide, not sure if this is factor for vehicle ship transport but wouldn't surprise me. 6 weeks from production date to delivery is likely much too optimistic at this point.
Mid-late April production date likely wouldn't see until late June to the dealer at best I believe.
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Magna Steyr plans to ramp up production in Graz again soon
Car maker and supplier Magna wants to ramp up production in Graz in a few days - but for now only prototype construction. Series production does not start until after Easter.Protective masks are compulsory throughout the factory, and protective walls are placed between employees during the snack.
Even if this happens, I wonder if they have an adequate supply of parts to produce most vehicles or if it will depend on the model? For example, the plant ceased
production March 17th, the week before my G550 build. I'm guessing that given my vehicle was just about set for production and I'm sure that these plants
carry parts on hand for at least a buffer of production time/units, might be ok. Given vehicles were being completed right up to the shutdown, I'm sure they have stock on parts for
at least a couple of months (maybe), and maybe more given the number of cancellations I have been hearing about. I guess we will see in a week if this actually happens
or whether an update comes out this week with a further push-back in terms of date. Also, from what I've experienced, I've seen shipping times have increased
worldwide, not sure if this is factor for vehicle ship transport but wouldn't surprise me. 6 weeks from production date to delivery is likely much too optimistic at this point.
Mid-late April production date likely wouldn't see until late June to the dealer at best I believe.
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Makes sense to use just in time, but hoping at least 1-2 weeks stock so there is a chance they can finish my G once production starts up. If they are waiting for the supply chain to be fully up and running again, could be one long wait for all.
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I can already tell you through the company I work for, the supply chain period for EMEA is completely screwed. If its not essential at this point its low pri to get moved.
#47
Ya makes sense. Not a big deal either way, no rush for an expensive vehicle during these times. Whether it's June, July, Fall...doesn't really have matter. I'm sure we will have better clarity in the next 1-2 months, hopefully at least.
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Ya it does. I'm still a little confused though, if the supply chain of parts is pretty much non-existent currently, why would Magna even say they will begin production again. Production of what?
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I’m not sure how everything goes in Graz but I do know the electric cars production there has stopped so maybe some others have taken priority??
my second point is that my other half owns a body shop and orders parts, tyres , protective equipment etc. He’s so far had no issue getting any stock at all. In fact the places are overrun with stock and are constantly trying to sell more as they have to take ‘x’ amount of units per month and they can’t deviate from that.
lastly - cancelled orders etc could easily help keep vehicles close (ish) to estimate delivery dates.
It’s so hard to say- all we really know is ... they will arrive (eventually) lol
my second point is that my other half owns a body shop and orders parts, tyres , protective equipment etc. He’s so far had no issue getting any stock at all. In fact the places are overrun with stock and are constantly trying to sell more as they have to take ‘x’ amount of units per month and they can’t deviate from that.
lastly - cancelled orders etc could easily help keep vehicles close (ish) to estimate delivery dates.
It’s so hard to say- all we really know is ... they will arrive (eventually) lol
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