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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 12:05 AM
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Why doesn't Merc offer a proper off road package?

I mean a lift + chunky tires (34"-35"), some proper aux lamps (Light cannons), maybe even a GLS trick suspension? The "off road package" offered for the 63 is very underwhelming. I'm starting to look into getting a new G550 and I'd love a proper factory lift job rather than me having to do it myself through the aftermarket.
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by JD101b
I mean a lift + chunky tires (34"-35"), some proper aux lamps (Light cannons), maybe even a GLS trick suspension? The "off road package" offered for the 63 is very underwhelming. I'm starting to look into getting a new G550 and I'd love a proper factory lift job rather than me having to do it myself through the aftermarket.
The answer is probably NHTSA safety compliance. Radical suspension and tire modifications that work off- road could be hazardous at freeway speeds and could be incompatible with driver assist systems such as active lane keeping assist. The modification choices are unlimited, and MB (nor Jeep) could not make everone happy. Do your own mods, take your own risks and be happy with your own choices.
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 06:59 AM
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I think the vast majority of G class owners in the US never go more off road than jumping a curb to get into a parking lot. For the US market, the sales volume of the off road package is likely so small that they didn't want to put too much R&D into modifying their platform. Cost versus return just isn't there.

That being said, I totally agree they could stand to put on a small (30-50mm) lift and put a better off-road oriented tire/wheel package on their "off road" package.
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 11:53 AM
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I think the vast majority of G class owners in the US never go more off road than jumping a curb to get into a parking lot. For the US market, the sales volume of the off road package is likely so small that they didn't want to put too much R&D into modifying their platform. Cost versus return just isn't there.

That being said, I totally agree they could stand to put on a small (30-50mm) lift and put a better off-road oriented tire/wheel package on their "off road" package.
No question MB should be mounting a better tire than Pirelli Scorpion A/S's. But 2" of suspension lift and 2" of extra tire height will change any vehicle's handling. I've never considered doing this to my Jeep or my G because of (a) unknown laws that vary state-to-state regarding lifting, (b) impact on manufacturer warranty, and (c) insurance coverage for modified vehicles. I remain OE and boring.
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by The Butcher
I think the vast majority of G class owners in the US never go more off road than jumping a curb to get into a parking lot. For the US market, the sales volume of the off road package is likely so small that they didn't want to put too much R&D into modifying their platform. Cost versus return just isn't there.

That being said, I totally agree they could stand to put on a small (30-50mm) lift and put a better off-road oriented tire/wheel package on their "off road" package.
To be honest, I think the package would be more for appearance than anything. I think a lot of buyers would like the look of a jacked G...I know I would.
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Old Nov 28, 2020 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by streborx
No question MB should be mounting a better tire than Pirelli Scorpion A/S's. But 2" of suspension lift and 2" of extra tire height will change any vehicle's handling. I've never considered doing this to my Jeep or my G because of (a) unknown laws that vary state-to-state regarding lifting, (b) impact on manufacturer warranty, and (c) insurance coverage for modified vehicles. I remain OE and boring.
I think if it was factory offered and not aftermarket it could work. Hence the risk for insurance, warranty and laws would be negated.

It would be an option so anyone selecting this option would be aware of the liabilities related to a taller ride.
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JD101b
To be honest, I think the package would be more for appearance than anything. I think a lot of buyers would like the look of a jacked G...I know I would.
I completely agree. However, something in their research says it's not a money maker for them. Too much cost vs. reward I'm sure. That's why I'm thankful for the aftermarket. I haven't left a G Wagon stock ever!
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dfulgo
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Exactly. There definitely is a market for a jacked up G.

I'd like something in between a stock G and a G squared.
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Exactly. There definitely is a market for a jacked up G.

I'd like something in between a stock G and a G squared.
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 03:33 PM
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Dude - the stock G is already off-road ready. That’s the point of the G! It doesn’t make sense to offer an “off road package”.
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Old Nov 29, 2020 | 08:47 PM
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All a stock G really needs is better tires and maybe a winch (and appropriate mount for it). Otherwise, it’s a very capable platform stock. The type of off reading you intend to do will influence what else might be needed, but big lifts aren’t always a plus.
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I've taken my stock 63 off roading and did fine. However I definitely could have benefited from better tires and a couple more inches of clearance when doing some rock crawling. Two inches can make all the difference. No more rock crawling for me, too nerve racking, barely came away unscathed.
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Old Nov 30, 2020 | 05:51 AM
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nobody complains about a Ferrari having not enough space for the luggage of an average family.
If you think your G is not capable - do some off-road training.
Its usually the inexperienced driver not the underachiving vehicle
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Old Nov 30, 2020 | 08:46 AM
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nobody complains about a Ferrari having not enough space for the luggage of an average family.
If you think your G is not capable - do some off-road training.
Its usually the inexperienced driver not the underachiving vehicle
Take it easy! No one is complaining, we're just discussing the viability of an off road package for the G. No one is questioning it's capabilities or calling it under achieving. I just think some people would like a two inch lift and an off road tire package that came from the factory. I know I would feel better taking mine off road with a slight lift on it.
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Take it easy! No one is complaining, we're just discussing the viability of an off road package for the G. No one is questioning it's capabilities or calling it under achieving. I just think some people would like a two inch lift and an off road tire package that came from the factory. I know I would feel better taking mine off road with a slight lift on it.
The problem is that a "one-size-fits-most" type of package, which is the best you guys could possibly hope for, simply isn't going to satisfy too many people. Those who just want it for looks are going to have different priorities than those who want it for rock crawling who are going to have different priorities than the overlanding crowd and so on. Then there's the factor of how many people are going to spend +/-$150K on a vehicle and actually take it off road - very, very few will. My take is that the viability of offering something resembling a "true" off road package just isn't worth it for them - it's got to be something they've considered unless they're complete idiots (unlikely).
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Originally Posted by greynlds
The problem is that a "one-size-fits-most" type of package, which is the best you guys could possibly hope for, simply isn't going to satisfy too many people. Those who just want it for looks are going to have different priorities than those who want it for rock crawling who are going to have different priorities than the overlanding crowd and so on. Then there's the factor of how many people are going to spend +/-$150K on a vehicle and actually take it off road - very, very few will. My take is that the viability of offering something resembling a "true" off road package just isn't worth it for them - it's got to be something they've considered unless they're complete idiots (unlikely).
I don't disagree with your statement. A package can still be offered but likely won't, as you stated it's not viable.

On a secondary note, interesting how many people opt for the increased speed limit option as if they are going to actually take it to 149 (or whatever it is).
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On a secondary note, interesting how many people opt for the increased speed limit option as if they are going to actually take it to 149 (or whatever it is).
Yeah, I don’t see the point in paying extra for that option as the idea of going that fast in a G isn’t something I would find fun. But I can see why MB offers it since it’s mostly the matter of flipping a switch for them, so it’s really easy money maker for them. It also may render the insurance concerns over an off road option moot as the insurance implications of going that fast in a G should be a bigger concern.
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