MB suspending sales of 2022 AMG V8 models
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So let me get this straight, I'm not adding anything here but you think you are by repeating the same irrelevant (and widely known) information over and over? You don't know what you're talking about and now you're going to just double down on the same thing over and over because you can't admit that you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place? I mean we already know what that those V8 models are not being made for the U.S. market for 2022. We already know what the next C63 and GLC63 will have, again old news so what exactly are you "adding" here? NO we can't speculate anything because you fail (again) to realize that the V8 cars missing for 2022 are for the U.S. market, not the world. Reading between the lines is short for you've got nothing in the way of official information. There absolutely no official information on the next generation E-Class at this point regarding it's engines. NONE. Repeating the same thing over and over about things we already know that are actually official about other models does not change this. You aren't adding anything here but confusion and misinformation. It's useless, baseless speculation and yet you tried to say Mercedes "announced" something about a car that isn't due for another year or so. You didn't know what you were talking about, let it go. I'm not making a "claim" here, there is no announcement about the next E-Class. That's a FACT. You're the one making the "claims" here and they're totally baseless/unfounded when it comes to the W214 E-Class.
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So let me get this straight, I'm not adding anything here but you think you are by repeating the same irrelevant (and widely known) information over and over? You don't know what you're talking about and now you're going to just double down on the same thing over and over because you can't admit that you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place? I mean we already know what that those V8 models are not being made for the U.S. market for 2022. We already know what the next C63 and GLC63 will have, again old news so what exactly are you "adding" here? NO we can't speculate anything because you fail (again) to realize that the V8 cars missing for 2022 are for the U.S. market, not the world. Reading between the lines is short for you've got nothing in the way of official information. There absolutely no official information on the next generation E-Class at this point regarding it's engines. NONE. Repeating the same thing over and over about things we already know that are actually official about other models does not change this. You aren't adding anything here but confusion and misinformation. It's useless, baseless speculation and yet you tried to say Mercedes "announced" something about a car that isn't due for another year or so. You didn't know what you were talking about, let it go. I'm not making a "claim" here, there is no announcement about the next E-Class. That's a FACT. You're the one making the "claims" here and they're totally baseless/unfounded when it comes to the W214 E-Class.
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I never stated that this was an international event. The E class will most probably include a hybrid motor. I simply posted an article about the new E class and almost every car journalist out there belives that it will include an electric motor. Id rather listen to their word than yours.
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Hey guys - let's all take a deep breath here. It's been 6 months since MBAG announced its suspension of V8s in NA, and this thread has amassed 480 points of view to date and the speculation continues. I'm enjoying reading all these posts, no matter how factual or far-fetched. Nevertheless it seems clear MB's decision wasn't because it wanted to hand the sales crown to BMW, or even due to semiconductor shortages. An article in yesterday's WSJ reported that luxury car makers -- notably Porsche, BMW and Aston Martin -- have thrived over the past year by channeling their limited supply of chips into their premium vehicles. It seems MB has likely been doing the same (e.g., Aston Martin), so IMO emissions compliance is precipitating as the most probable cause. But don't crucify me for this! Opinions are not right or wrong -- only different.
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Hey guys - let's all take a deep breath here. It's been 6 months since MBAG announced its suspension of V8s in NA, and this thread has amassed 480 points of view to date and the speculation continues. I'm enjoying reading all these posts, no matter how factual or far-fetched. Nevertheless it seems clear MB's decision wasn't because it wanted to hand the sales crown to BMW, or even due to semiconductor shortages. An article in yesterday's WSJ reported that luxury car makers -- notably Porsche, BMW and Aston Martin -- have thrived over the past year by channeling their limited supply of chips into their premium vehicles. It seems MB has likely been doing the same (e.g., Aston Martin), so IMO emissions compliance is precipitating as the most probable cause. But don't crucify me for this! Opinions are not right or wrong -- only different.
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Straight from the horses mouth: “I think for the next ten years we will see the V-8s, for sure. We have a lot of customers who love their cars and I still think that we will see those people buying the [V-8] cars for a long time."
https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...ep-making-v8s/
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https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...ep-making-v8s/
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I never stated that this was an international event. The E class will most probably include a hybrid motor. I simply posted an article about the new E class and almost every car journalist out there belives that it will include an electric motor. Id rather listen to their word than yours.
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OK we get it! "MB hasn't made the announcement yet". You aren't adding to the discussion by repeating the same claim over and over again. When a company doesn't announce their plans right away, you simply have to read between the lines!
What MB did announce is that they were not producing V8s for 10 of their US models in 2022. Those models include (C63, E63, GLC63, G550 and G63, GLE580 and GLE63, GLS580 and GLS63 and the GLS600 Maybach.). Now, did MB actually disclose how long this discontinuation of US V8 production will continue for?
We now know that of these 10 cars 2 of them (C63 and GLC63) are being released with smaller engines along with electric motors.
Now, if you look at the rest of the line up, you are left with 8 other cars which are halted for production. We can speculate that they will also have smaller engines with electric boost. My guess is that this is where the new AMG E Performance will play a big role.
What MB did announce is that they were not producing V8s for 10 of their US models in 2022. Those models include (C63, E63, GLC63, G550 and G63, GLE580 and GLE63, GLS580 and GLS63 and the GLS600 Maybach.). Now, did MB actually disclose how long this discontinuation of US V8 production will continue for?
We now know that of these 10 cars 2 of them (C63 and GLC63) are being released with smaller engines along with electric motors.
Now, if you look at the rest of the line up, you are left with 8 other cars which are halted for production. We can speculate that they will also have smaller engines with electric boost. My guess is that this is where the new AMG E Performance will play a big role.
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1000% correct no-Official word to date from MB - I am face-to-face with MBUSA guys (Product Managers and above) 3-4 times a year for "focus & exchange groups" and I am in Germany and Graz 2X a year - even face-to-face and off-the-record no one who "knows" can make a "peep"
What I can say - is the Direction "appears" to add a in-line "Pancake" electric to the 4L drive train - in the theme of the "450" Turbo-6 w/Pancake - and the #'s written on a cocktail napkin (once) were +150 ft lbs torque - with target "combined" 750HP .
I understand the Original Target was a "self-sustaining" Hybrid - meaning as "assist" target no plug in - but I understand that that has been the rub - that in field concept testing has shown this level can require crossover Overnite Plug-In to recover that full electric assist.
That said - in November BMW press release for their "XM" for 2023 - similar concept "maybe" - but BMW release clearly states plug-in - with BMW intent the electric will power on its own for 30mi - and that electric-only 30 miles capability on BMW side was not MB's intent as I understand it to be.
That's what I "think" I know - ALL subject to what really does happen..
What I can say - is the Direction "appears" to add a in-line "Pancake" electric to the 4L drive train - in the theme of the "450" Turbo-6 w/Pancake - and the #'s written on a cocktail napkin (once) were +150 ft lbs torque - with target "combined" 750HP .
I understand the Original Target was a "self-sustaining" Hybrid - meaning as "assist" target no plug in - but I understand that that has been the rub - that in field concept testing has shown this level can require crossover Overnite Plug-In to recover that full electric assist.
That said - in November BMW press release for their "XM" for 2023 - similar concept "maybe" - but BMW release clearly states plug-in - with BMW intent the electric will power on its own for 30mi - and that electric-only 30 miles capability on BMW side was not MB's intent as I understand it to be.
That's what I "think" I know - ALL subject to what really does happen..
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1000% correct no-Official word to date from MB - I am face-to-face with MBUSA guys (Product Managers and above) 3-4 times a year for "focus & exchange groups" and I am in Germany and Graz 2X a year - even face-to-face and off-the-record no one who "knows" can make a "peep"
What I can say - is the Direction "appears" to add a in-line "Pancake" electric to the 4L drive train - in the theme of the "450" Turbo-6 w/Pancake - and the #'s written on a cocktail napkin (once) were +150 ft lbs torque - with target "combined" 750HP .
What I can say - is the Direction "appears" to add a in-line "Pancake" electric to the 4L drive train - in the theme of the "450" Turbo-6 w/Pancake - and the #'s written on a cocktail napkin (once) were +150 ft lbs torque - with target "combined" 750HP .
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Yes the current GLE 450 (+GLE 53, 63 & 580) has an Integrated Starter Generator with +21HP, +184 torque. It makes for a lot of low end grunt. The 53 adds an electric boost feature to supplement the gas Turbo. If you are looking at +150 torque and 750 HP they will probably need to come up with something different than the ISG. I liked the E Performance rear electric motor setup. The issue with the present ISG system is that a 48 volt battery failure leaves you stranded…the AC & Water Pump are 48 volt electrical…no belt driven components. So there is no jump start…no water pump and the car goes into limp mode even if you are driving when the battery fails. There were a lot of failures late 2020 into mid 2021 but they seem to have solved that problem.
I wonder what a major design change like that will do to the timeline for the V8 to come back.
I wonder what a major design change like that will do to the timeline for the V8 to come back.
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Yes the current GLE 450 (+GLE 53, 63 & 580) has an Integrated Starter Generator with +21HP, +184 torque. It makes for a lot of low end grunt. The 53 adds an electric boost feature to supplement the gas Turbo. If you are looking at +150 torque and 750 HP they will probably need to come up with something different than the ISG. I liked the E Performance rear electric motor setup. The issue with the present ISG system is that a 48 volt battery failure leaves you stranded…the AC & Water Pump are 48 volt electrical…no belt driven components. So there is no jump start…no water pump and the car goes into limp mode even if you are driving when the battery fails. There were a lot of failures late 2020 into mid 2021 but they seem to have solved that problem.
I wonder what a major design change like that will do to the timeline for the V8 to come back.
I wonder what a major design change like that will do to the timeline for the V8 to come back.
Newer Mercedes models already have so much god damn tech and the car already has to deal with so much. Id rather just the V8 to simplify things a little bit and probably render the car more reliable down the line as Im planning on keeping mine for a long time.
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So much for all that speculative nonsense about emissions and not having enough V8s lol. I called when they stopped production for the U.S. market that the V8 vehicles would come back. They're pure profit people.
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Sorry - I'm not following your logic here. How does opening the order books rule out all reasons for suspending sales of V8s except profit motive?
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https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/20...lug-in-hybrid/
This gives me more of a reason to believe we won't see any V8 Gwagons again
This gives me more of a reason to believe we won't see any V8 Gwagons again
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