Where did Mercedes announce that the next generation E-Class would not have a V8? The G-Class is not coming with a 4-cylinder man. Where are you getting this misinformation from?

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150K gas stations with multiple pumps. 500K charging stations is not the same thing as they're most likely counted individually.


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Hey thanks for the attachment with the affected models. When it said all V8’…I also assumed ALL V8’ and not just specific V8 models such as the above mentioned G class.

Downsizing and electrification is in the move hey!?

With MB Electric models, they just can’t match the competition yet and what they do have is rather ugly and malformed, in my opinion at any rate.

 

It's also not the same when you consider that most people charge their cars overnight anyways. If you include the number of chargers people personally own, we would be well over a million chargers. My point is that 500,000 public stations is more than enough.

 

https://carbuzz.com/news/this-is-our...rcedes-e-class
"As for what's under the hood, everything is purely speculative at this point, but the base E-Class typically shares engines with the smaller C-Class. This would mean a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder with mild-hybrid assist for the E300 producing 255 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque. A plug-in hybrid model will likely arrive later in the life cycle, sporting the same 313 hp and 405 lb-ft found in the C-Class PHEVwith a 68-mile WLTP-rated range. It's unclear what will power the upcoming AMG variants, since Mercedes hasn't shown the next-gen C63 yet. We expect an uprated 2.0-liter four-cylinder paired with more powerful electric motors."

 

Great if you live in the burbs. World (and US) cities have millions of cars, Manhattan alone has nearly two million. With the required amount of time it takes to charge, the math doesn't work. There are hundreds of thousands of cars that park on-street. 500K stations? LOL.

 

So, the 2024 W214 AMG E63 with an electrified I4 is gonna compete with the announced 2024 BMW M5 with an electrified V8 with 700/750HP?

If so, Mercedes is asking a bit much from their customers while BMW will make both V8 M5 and a BEV i5 M and giving their customers some choice.

 

My guess is the 53’s will be the Hybrid V4 with 600 & the 63’s Hybrid V8 with 800.

 

Much of the hype over EVs is being driven by car manufacturers trying to appease stockholders over their companies' paltry market value compared to Tesla's. Add up the market caps of GM, Ford, Stellantis, Toyota, MB, BMW and VW, and collectively they're worth less.
If all this migration to EVs by 2030 becomes real, I expect to wakeup some morning and find a vehicle parked in the street in front of my house with an extension cord snaked up my lawn and driveway, plugged into one of my outdoor outlets. "Power Poachers" will be as epidemic as porch pirates are today.

 

Can't say all the articles are correct but all of them state no V8 in next E-Class. Also, no V-8 according to:

 

LOL....had to Google Porch Pirates.....not a phrase I've ever heard before!

Over here the move to EVs is not only very real, its sealed in Law....no new petrol (gas) or diesel cars can be sold after 1st Jan 2030.....boo!.....and in mainland Europe from 2035. Even more reason to not be seen making dirty V8s just for the few countries with cheap enough fuel to afford run one....and certainly a good enough reason not to spend billions developing new ones! Local Merc dealer here doubts they will ever return......but like every other post on here.....no one really knows and people are just guessing until Mercedes makes it official one way or the other.

 

This is the first article I've seen saying a V-8 will be in the W214 AMG:

2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class W214 Is a Last Hurrah for Stuttgart Tradition - autoevolution

"With the C-Class W206 no longer using engines with more than four cylinders, the E-Class W214 will say no to any mill larger than a 3.0-liter inline-six, although the Mercedes-AMG E 63 is expected to still be loyal to the mighty V8, in this case accompanied by at least two electric motors and arriving in a plug-in hybrid configuration to cut back on emissions."

 

LOL! So, the UK doesn't have a rash or epidemic of people stealing delivered packages from the front of people's dwellings? If so, what's the UK term?

 

They don't leave parcels just lying around if you are not in. They will leave them with a neighbour or hide it somewhere and pop a note through the letter box of even try the next day if you are on a busy delivery route.

 

They used to do that here years ago. Now they have so many packages they leave everything at your door. They rarely knock or ring doorbell. No more attempts to hide, put at back, give to a neighbor etc.

Thousands of Porch Pirate videos on youtube:

 

Here’s a video on the E Performance V8 for anyone that hasn’t seen it. My guess is it will show on the G Wagon, GLE/GLS 63 and a few select cars. The rear motors and battery pack will make packaging a challenge for some models.

 

That is not an announcement by Mercedes-Benz. It's speculation. That is why I ask where you all this this stuff from. It even says "speculative". Mercedes didn't announce anything. You are just spreading a lot of misinformation and people are now repeating it like it's fact.


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What? You've got it backwards. If they're charging overnight it would be at the home, not a charging station. There aren't going to be 500K charging stations at people's homes.

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EU goal is 1 million charge points by 2025 and 3.5 million by 2030 (they are already looking like they will miss the 2025 target).

They have roughly the same number of cars on the road as the USA so why would 500,000 be enough here?


Also interesting to note that as of 2021 18 EU member states have under 5 charging points per 100km of road ... so tell me how the EU is actually going to impose the ICE ban by 2030 if 2/3 of the countries in the EU have no reasonable EV infrastructure?

 

Should get interesting when power utilities cut back, and people need to choose between running their home A/Cs or charging their cars for tomorrow's commute.

 

Here’s an announcement about the E Performance V8, made in mid December, 2021 by Jochen Hermann, Chief Technical Officer of AMG. He states that the E Performance V8 will begin to return in some models “next year” (2022). In previous videos he has given information on the Formula 1-4 Cylinder that will replace the AMG V8 in other models. While some Magazines are speculating as you say…they are more of an educated guess and some of the speculation is likely from leaks from inside Mercedes. Don’t be so quick to dismiss it all as untrue….
My “speculation” is that the halted AMG V8’s will start to return as soon as Mercedes can make it happen…as an E Performance V8 that meets the new US Emissions requirements for the incremental increases in emissions reduction of 2.5% per year. Hermann has previously stated that this new performance hybrid offers improvement of about 10%. That could help to satisfy the new GHG requirement of 2.5% per year improvement for 4 years…all at one time.
EPA.GOV
“In December 2021, EPA finalized revised national greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions standards for passenger cars and light trucks for Model Years 2023- 2026. The final standards would achieve significant GHG emissions reductions along with reductions in other criteria pollutants.”

Hermann EP V8 video-

GT video-

 

ten years from now nobody knows (there could be wireless charging tech by then too..electricity is an e-m signal)..there's a 2024 refresh so there's hope for now..

 

First off Ron, all this is OLD news. Like really old news. Again, there no "announcement" by Mercedes-Benz about the engines in the next generation E-Class. Not sure how else to say it. It is speculative about what the next E-Class will get engine wise. There is NOTHING in what you posted that says anything about the next E-Class and it's engines. Secondly, they have not "halted" the AMG V8, it just isn't being imported to the USA for the 2022 MY. Other markets are still getting AMG V8 models. Everything about the AMG V8 E performance the new 4-cylinder engines have been covered over and over. That doesn't say anything about the next E-Class at this point.


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OK we get it! "MB hasn't made the announcement yet". You aren't adding to the discussion by repeating the same claim over and over again. When a company doesn't announce their plans right away, you simply have to read between the lines!

What MB did announce is that they were not producing V8s for 10 of their US models in 2022. Those models include (C63, E63, GLC63, G550 and G63, GLE580 and GLE63, GLS580 and GLS63 and the GLS600 Maybach.). Now, did MB actually disclose how long this discontinuation of US V8 production will continue for?

We now know that of these 10 cars 2 of them (C63 and GLC63) are being released with smaller engines along with electric motors.

Now, if you look at the rest of the line up, you are left with 8 other cars which are halted for production. We can speculate that they will also have smaller engines with electric boost. My guess is that this is where the new AMG E Performance will play a big role.

 

So let me get this straight, I'm not adding anything here but you think you are by repeating the same irrelevant (and widely known) information over and over? You don't know what you're talking about and now you're going to just double down on the same thing over and over because you can't admit that you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place? I mean we already know what that those V8 models are not being made for the U.S. market for 2022. We already know what the next C63 and GLC63 will have, again old news so what exactly are you "adding" here? NO we can't speculate anything because you fail (again) to realize that the V8 cars missing for 2022 are for the U.S. market, not the world. Reading between the lines is short for you've got nothing in the way of official information. There absolutely no official information on the next generation E-Class at this point regarding it's engines. NONE. Repeating the same thing over and over about things we already know that are actually official about other models does not change this. You aren't adding anything here but confusion and misinformation. It's useless, baseless speculation and yet you tried to say Mercedes "announced" something about a car that isn't due for another year or so. You didn't know what you were talking about, let it go. I'm not making a "claim" here, there is no announcement about the next E-Class. That's a FACT. You're the one making the "claims" here and they're totally baseless/unfounded when it comes to the W214 E-Class.

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