MB suspending sales of 2022 AMG V8 models
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Next E-class is not coming with a V8 engine. MB has already announced that the AMG lineup for the C-class, E-Class as well as the new GLC will not be equipped with any V8s. It will take way more than one year for MB to reduce their EPA averages. Tesla is even selling their EPA credits to other big car polluters to allow them to sell more V8s. MB is very behind on their EV sales and they only have 1 EV car in their line-up to offer. Don't expect to see more V8s out of MB for a while (with the exception of the S-class and SL) every other model (including G) will run on 4 or 6 cylinder hybrid boost engines which by the way will still sell out. All these assumptions that MB will lose a ton of revenue because their Gs are all of sudden running on an EV platform is utterly ridiculous. Sales will still continue on!
all in all, only time will tell. We should hear about MY23 in the next 6 months.
all in all, only time will tell. We should hear about MY23 in the next 6 months.
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Hey thanks for the attachment with the affected models. When it said all V8’…I also assumed ALL V8’ and not just specific V8 models such as the above mentioned G class.
Downsizing and electrification is in the move hey!?
With MB Electric models, they just can’t match the competition yet and what they do have is rather ugly and malformed, in my opinion at any rate.
Downsizing and electrification is in the move hey!?
With MB Electric models, they just can’t match the competition yet and what they do have is rather ugly and malformed, in my opinion at any rate.
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"As for what's under the hood, everything is purely speculative at this point, but the base E-Class typically shares engines with the smaller C-Class. This would mean a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder with mild-hybrid assist for the E300 producing 255 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque. A plug-in hybrid model will likely arrive later in the life cycle, sporting the same 313 hp and 405 lb-ft found in the C-Class PHEVwith a 68-mile WLTP-rated range. It's unclear what will power the upcoming AMG variants, since Mercedes hasn't shown the next-gen C63 yet. We expect an uprated 2.0-liter four-cylinder paired with more powerful electric motors."
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Great if you live in the burbs. World (and US) cities have millions of cars, Manhattan alone has nearly two million. With the required amount of time it takes to charge, the math doesn't work. There are hundreds of thousands of cars that park on-street. 500K stations? LOL.
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So, the 2024 W214 AMG E63 with an electrified I4 is gonna compete with the announced 2024 BMW M5 with an electrified V8 with 700/750HP?
If so, Mercedes is asking a bit much from their customers while BMW will make both V8 M5 and a BEV i5 M and giving their customers some choice.
If so, Mercedes is asking a bit much from their customers while BMW will make both V8 M5 and a BEV i5 M and giving their customers some choice.
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So, the 2024 W214 AMG E63 with an electrified I4 is gonna compete with the announced 2024 BMW M5 with an electrified V8 with 700/750HP?
If so, Mercedes is asking a bit much from their customers while BMW will make both V8 M5 and a BEV i5 M and giving their customers some choice.
If so, Mercedes is asking a bit much from their customers while BMW will make both V8 M5 and a BEV i5 M and giving their customers some choice.
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Much of the hype over EVs is being driven by car manufacturers trying to appease stockholders over their companies' paltry market value compared to Tesla's. Add up the market caps of GM, Ford, Stellantis, Toyota, MB, BMW and VW, and collectively they're worth less.
If all this migration to EVs by 2030 becomes real, I expect to wakeup some morning and find a vehicle parked in the street in front of my house with an extension cord snaked up my lawn and driveway, plugged into one of my outdoor outlets. "Power Poachers" will be as epidemic as porch pirates are today.
If all this migration to EVs by 2030 becomes real, I expect to wakeup some morning and find a vehicle parked in the street in front of my house with an extension cord snaked up my lawn and driveway, plugged into one of my outdoor outlets. "Power Poachers" will be as epidemic as porch pirates are today.
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LOL....had to Google Porch Pirates.....not a phrase I've ever heard before!
Over here the move to EVs is not only very real, its sealed in Law....no new petrol (gas) or diesel cars can be sold after 1st Jan 2030.....boo!.....and in mainland Europe from 2035. Even more reason to not be seen making dirty V8s just for the few countries with cheap enough fuel to afford run one....and certainly a good enough reason not to spend billions developing new ones! Local Merc dealer here doubts they will ever return......but like every other post on here.....no one really knows and people are just guessing until Mercedes makes it official one way or the other.
Over here the move to EVs is not only very real, its sealed in Law....no new petrol (gas) or diesel cars can be sold after 1st Jan 2030.....boo!.....and in mainland Europe from 2035. Even more reason to not be seen making dirty V8s just for the few countries with cheap enough fuel to afford run one....and certainly a good enough reason not to spend billions developing new ones! Local Merc dealer here doubts they will ever return......but like every other post on here.....no one really knows and people are just guessing until Mercedes makes it official one way or the other.
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This is the first article I've seen saying a V-8 will be in the W214 AMG:
2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class W214 Is a Last Hurrah for Stuttgart Tradition - autoevolution
"With the C-Class W206 no longer using engines with more than four cylinders, the E-Class W214 will say no to any mill larger than a 3.0-liter inline-six, although the Mercedes-AMG E 63 is expected to still be loyal to the mighty V8, in this case accompanied by at least two electric motors and arriving in a plug-in hybrid configuration to cut back on emissions."
2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class W214 Is a Last Hurrah for Stuttgart Tradition - autoevolution
"With the C-Class W206 no longer using engines with more than four cylinders, the E-Class W214 will say no to any mill larger than a 3.0-liter inline-six, although the Mercedes-AMG E 63 is expected to still be loyal to the mighty V8, in this case accompanied by at least two electric motors and arriving in a plug-in hybrid configuration to cut back on emissions."
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LOL! So, the UK doesn't have a rash or epidemic of people stealing delivered packages from the front of people's dwellings? If so, what's the UK term?
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They don't leave parcels just lying around if you are not in. They will leave them with a neighbour or hide it somewhere and pop a note through the letter box of even try the next day if you are on a busy delivery route.
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Thousands of Porch Pirate videos on youtube:
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Here’s a video on the E Performance V8 for anyone that hasn’t seen it. My guess is it will show on the G Wagon, GLE/GLS 63 and a few select cars. The rear motors and battery pack will make packaging a challenge for some models.
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https://carbuzz.com/news/this-is-our...rcedes-e-class
"As for what's under the hood, everything is purely speculative at this point, but the base E-Class typically shares engines with the smaller C-Class. This would mean a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder with mild-hybrid assist for the E300 producing 255 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque. A plug-in hybrid model will likely arrive later in the life cycle, sporting the same 313 hp and 405 lb-ft found in the C-Class PHEVwith a 68-mile WLTP-rated range. It's unclear what will power the upcoming AMG variants, since Mercedes hasn't shown the next-gen C63 yet. We expect an uprated 2.0-liter four-cylinder paired with more powerful electric motors."
"As for what's under the hood, everything is purely speculative at this point, but the base E-Class typically shares engines with the smaller C-Class. This would mean a 2.0-liter turbocharged four-cylinder with mild-hybrid assist for the E300 producing 255 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque. A plug-in hybrid model will likely arrive later in the life cycle, sporting the same 313 hp and 405 lb-ft found in the C-Class PHEVwith a 68-mile WLTP-rated range. It's unclear what will power the upcoming AMG variants, since Mercedes hasn't shown the next-gen C63 yet. We expect an uprated 2.0-liter four-cylinder paired with more powerful electric motors."
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EU goal is 1 million charge points by 2025 and 3.5 million by 2030 (they are already looking like they will miss the 2025 target).
They have roughly the same number of cars on the road as the USA so why would 500,000 be enough here?
Also interesting to note that as of 2021 18 EU member states have under 5 charging points per 100km of road ... so tell me how the EU is actually going to impose the ICE ban by 2030 if 2/3 of the countries in the EU have no reasonable EV infrastructure?
They have roughly the same number of cars on the road as the USA so why would 500,000 be enough here?
Also interesting to note that as of 2021 18 EU member states have under 5 charging points per 100km of road ... so tell me how the EU is actually going to impose the ICE ban by 2030 if 2/3 of the countries in the EU have no reasonable EV infrastructure?
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Should get interesting when power utilities cut back, and people need to choose between running their home A/Cs or charging their cars for tomorrow's commute.
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That is not an announcement by Mercedes-Benz. It's speculation. That is why I ask where you all this this stuff from. It even says "speculative". Mercedes didn't announce anything. You are just spreading a lot of misinformation and people are now repeating it like it's fact.
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My “speculation” is that the halted AMG V8’s will start to return as soon as Mercedes can make it happen…as an E Performance V8 that meets the new US Emissions requirements for the incremental increases in emissions reduction of 2.5% per year. Hermann has previously stated that this new performance hybrid offers improvement of about 10%. That could help to satisfy the new GHG requirement of 2.5% per year improvement for 4 years…all at one time.
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“In December 2021, EPA finalized revised national greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions standards for passenger cars and light trucks for Model Years 2023- 2026. The final standards would achieve significant GHG emissions reductions along with reductions in other criteria pollutants.”
Hermann EP V8 video-
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Here’s an announcement about the E Performance V8, made in mid December, 2021 by Jochen Hermann, Chief Technical Officer of AMG. He states that the E Performance V8 will begin to return in some models “next year” (2022). In previous videos he has given information on the Formula 1-4 Cylinder that will replace the AMG V8 in other models. While some Magazines are speculating as you say…they are more of an educated guess and some of the speculation is likely from leaks from inside Mercedes. Don’t be so quick to dismiss it all as untrue….
My “speculation” is that the halted AMG V8’s will start to return as soon as Mercedes can make it happen…as an E Performance V8 that meets the new US Emissions requirements for the incremental increases in emissions reduction of 2.5% per year. Hermann has previously stated that this new performance hybrid offers improvement of about 10%. That could help to satisfy the new GHG requirement of 2.5% per year improvement for 4 years…all at one time.
EPA.GOV
“In December 2021, EPA finalized revised national greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions standards for passenger cars and light trucks for Model Years 2023- 2026. The final standards would achieve significant GHG emissions reductions along with reductions in other criteria pollutants.”
Hermann EP V8 video-
https://youtu.be/rnI4VlKoJes
GT video-
https://youtu.be/P7njpImlZ6s
My “speculation” is that the halted AMG V8’s will start to return as soon as Mercedes can make it happen…as an E Performance V8 that meets the new US Emissions requirements for the incremental increases in emissions reduction of 2.5% per year. Hermann has previously stated that this new performance hybrid offers improvement of about 10%. That could help to satisfy the new GHG requirement of 2.5% per year improvement for 4 years…all at one time.
EPA.GOV
“In December 2021, EPA finalized revised national greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions standards for passenger cars and light trucks for Model Years 2023- 2026. The final standards would achieve significant GHG emissions reductions along with reductions in other criteria pollutants.”
Hermann EP V8 video-
https://youtu.be/rnI4VlKoJes
GT video-
https://youtu.be/P7njpImlZ6s
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OK we get it! "MB hasn't made the announcement yet". You aren't adding to the discussion by repeating the same claim over and over again. When a company doesn't announce their plans right away, you simply have to read between the lines!
What MB did announce is that they were not producing V8s for 10 of their US models in 2022. Those models include (C63, E63, GLC63, G550 and G63, GLE580 and GLE63, GLS580 and GLS63 and the GLS600 Maybach.). Now, did MB actually disclose how long this discontinuation of US V8 production will continue for?
We now know that of these 10 cars 2 of them (C63 and GLC63) are being released with smaller engines along with electric motors.
Now, if you look at the rest of the line up, you are left with 8 other cars which are halted for production. We can speculate that they will also have smaller engines with electric boost. My guess is that this is where the new AMG E Performance will play a big role.
What MB did announce is that they were not producing V8s for 10 of their US models in 2022. Those models include (C63, E63, GLC63, G550 and G63, GLE580 and GLE63, GLS580 and GLS63 and the GLS600 Maybach.). Now, did MB actually disclose how long this discontinuation of US V8 production will continue for?
We now know that of these 10 cars 2 of them (C63 and GLC63) are being released with smaller engines along with electric motors.
Now, if you look at the rest of the line up, you are left with 8 other cars which are halted for production. We can speculate that they will also have smaller engines with electric boost. My guess is that this is where the new AMG E Performance will play a big role.
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OK we get it! "MB hasn't made the announcement yet". You aren't adding to the discussion by repeating the same claim over and over again. When a company doesn't announce their plans right away, you simply have to read between the lines!
What MB did announce is that they were not producing V8s for 10 of their US models in 2022. Those models include (C63, E63, GLC63, G550 and G63, GLE580 and GLE63, GLS580 and GLS63 and the GLS600 Maybach.). Now, did MB actually disclose how long this discontinuation of US V8 production will continue for?
We now know that of these 10 cars 2 of them (C63 and GLC63) are being released with smaller engines along with electric motors.
Now, if you look at the rest of the line up, you are left with 8 other cars which are halted for production. We can speculate that they will also have smaller engines with electric boost. My guess is that this is where the new AMG E Performance will play a big role.
What MB did announce is that they were not producing V8s for 10 of their US models in 2022. Those models include (C63, E63, GLC63, G550 and G63, GLE580 and GLE63, GLS580 and GLS63 and the GLS600 Maybach.). Now, did MB actually disclose how long this discontinuation of US V8 production will continue for?
We now know that of these 10 cars 2 of them (C63 and GLC63) are being released with smaller engines along with electric motors.
Now, if you look at the rest of the line up, you are left with 8 other cars which are halted for production. We can speculate that they will also have smaller engines with electric boost. My guess is that this is where the new AMG E Performance will play a big role.
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