Originally Posted by Germancar1

So let me get this straight, I'm not adding anything here but you think you are by repeating the same irrelevant (and widely known) information over and over? You don't know what you're talking about and now you're going to just double down on the same thing over and over because you can't admit that you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place? I mean we already know what that those V8 models are not being made for the U.S. market for 2022. We already know what the next C63 and GLC63 will have, again old news so what exactly are you "adding" here? NO we can't speculate anything because you fail (again) to realize that the V8 cars missing for 2022 are for the U.S. market, not the world. Reading between the lines is short for you've got nothing in the way of official information. There absolutely no official information on the next generation E-Class at this point regarding it's engines. NONE. Repeating the same thing over and over about things we already know that are actually official about other models does not change this. You aren't adding anything here but confusion and misinformation. It's useless, baseless speculation and yet you tried to say Mercedes "announced" something about a car that isn't due for another year or so. You didn't know what you were talking about, let it go. I'm not making a "claim" here, there is no announcement about the next E-Class. That's a FACT. You're the one making the "claims" here and they're totally baseless/unfounded when it comes to the W214 E-Class.

M

Originally Posted by Germancar1

So let me get this straight, I'm not adding anything here but you think you are by repeating the same irrelevant (and widely known) information over and over? You don't know what you're talking about and now you're going to just double down on the same thing over and over because you can't admit that you didn't know what you were talking about in the first place? I mean we already know what that those V8 models are not being made for the U.S. market for 2022. We already know what the next C63 and GLC63 will have, again old news so what exactly are you "adding" here? NO we can't speculate anything because you fail (again) to realize that the V8 cars missing for 2022 are for the U.S. market, not the world. Reading between the lines is short for you've got nothing in the way of official information. There absolutely no official information on the next generation E-Class at this point regarding it's engines. NONE. Repeating the same thing over and over about things we already know that are actually official about other models does not change this. You aren't adding anything here but confusion and misinformation. It's useless, baseless speculation and yet you tried to say Mercedes "announced" something about a car that isn't due for another year or so. You didn't know what you were talking about, let it go. I'm not making a "claim" here, there is no announcement about the next E-Class. That's a FACT. You're the one making the "claims" here and they're totally baseless/unfounded when it comes to the W214 E-Class.

M

Originally Posted by NatsCaps

I never stated that this was an international event. The E class will most probably include a hybrid motor. I simply posted an article about the new E class and almost every car journalist out there belives that it will include an electric motor. Id rather listen to their word than yours.

Originally Posted by streborx

Hey guys - let's all take a deep breath here. It's been 6 months since MBAG announced its suspension of V8s in NA, and this thread has amassed 480 points of view to date and the speculation continues. I'm enjoying reading all these posts, no matter how factual or far-fetched. Nevertheless it seems clear MB's decision wasn't because it wanted to hand the sales crown to BMW, or even due to semiconductor shortages. An article in yesterday's WSJ reported that luxury car makers -- notably Porsche, BMW and Aston Martin -- have thrived over the past year by channeling their limited supply of chips into their premium vehicles. It seems MB has likely been doing the same (e.g., Aston Martin), so IMO emissions compliance is precipitating as the most probable cause. But don't crucify me for this! Opinions are not right or wrong -- only different.

Originally Posted by NatsCaps

I never stated that this was an international event. The E class will most probably include a hybrid motor. I simply posted an article about the new E class and almost every car journalist out there belives that it will include an electric motor. Id rather listen to their word than yours.

Originally Posted by NatsCaps

OK we get it! "MB hasn't made the announcement yet". You aren't adding to the discussion by repeating the same claim over and over again. When a company doesn't announce their plans right away, you simply have to read between the lines!

What MB did announce is that they were not producing V8s for 10 of their US models in 2022. Those models include (C63, E63, GLC63, G550 and G63, GLE580 and GLE63, GLS580 and GLS63 and the GLS600 Maybach.). Now, did MB actually disclose how long this discontinuation of US V8 production will continue for?

We now know that of these 10 cars 2 of them (C63 and GLC63) are being released with smaller engines along with electric motors.

Now, if you look at the rest of the line up, you are left with 8 other cars which are halted for production. We can speculate that they will also have smaller engines with electric boost. My guess is that this is where the new AMG E Performance will play a big role.

Originally Posted by fabbrisd1

1000% correct no-Official word to date from MB - I am face-to-face with MBUSA guys (Product Managers and above) 3-4 times a year for "focus & exchange groups" and I am in Germany and Graz 2X a year - even face-to-face and off-the-record no one who "knows" can make a "peep"
What I can say - is the Direction "appears" to add a in-line "Pancake" electric to the 4L drive train - in the theme of the "450" Turbo-6 w/Pancake - and the #'s written on a cocktail napkin (once) were +150 ft lbs torque - with target "combined" 750HP .

Originally Posted by Ron.s

Yes the current GLE 450 (+GLE 53, 63 & 580) has an Integrated Starter Generator with +21HP, +184 torque. It makes for a lot of low end grunt. The 53 adds an electric boost feature to supplement the gas Turbo. If you are looking at +150 torque and 750 HP they will probably need to come up with something different than the ISG. I liked the E Performance rear electric motor setup. The issue with the present ISG system is that a 48 volt battery failure leaves you stranded…the AC & Water Pump are 48 volt electrical…no belt driven components. So there is no jump start…no water pump and the car goes into limp mode even if you are driving when the battery fails. There were a lot of failures late 2020 into mid 2021 but they seem to have solved that problem.
I wonder what a major design change like that will do to the timeline for the V8 to come back.

Originally Posted by Wassaby

Originally Posted by Germancar1

So much for all that speculative nonsense about emissions and not having enough V8s lol. I called when they stopped production for the U.S. market that the V8 vehicles would come back. They're pure profit people.

M

Originally Posted by NatsCaps

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/20...lug-in-hybrid/

This gives me more of a reason to believe we won't see any V8 Gwagons again

Originally Posted by places

Looks like the G is back! AND with the V8!! You were saying...?

Originally Posted by mercedesmax

FYI, order guides are out. No MBUX no hybrid. Only minor changes

Originally Posted by mercedesmax

FYI, order guides are out. No MBUX no hybrid. Only minor changes