MB suspending sales of 2022 AMG V8 models
08-17-2021, 11:16 AM
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08-17-2021, 11:18 AM
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08-17-2021, 11:50 AM
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If this production suspension is a consequence of the SAFE Vehicles Rule (as I have speculated), it is indeed politics. Congress passes legislation and the EPA (emissions) and the NHTSA (fuel economy) write rules establishing the standards that manufacturers' automobiles must conform with. SAFE was officially released in mid-2020, which effectively gave manufacturers 18 months to meet the requirements that take effect in 2022. The requirements are annual 1.5% improvements in fuel economy and emissions reduction for the 5 years spanning 2022 through 2026. The lunacy is of course that no manufacturer redesigns an engine annually to meet intermediate targets. So MBAG (and probably a few other manufacturers that don't exclusively sell compact cars) are tasked with 7.5% improvement standards that must be achieved by 2026 (unless of course the earlier 5% annual improvement requirements are reinstated, which might induce MBAG and others to fold up their tents and leave country).
For an entertaining read, see https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...tnote-1-p24174. While I can't speak for others on this forum, I can say it would take me until 2022 to read through this document without any hope of understanding most of it.
For an entertaining read, see https://www.federalregister.gov/docu...tnote-1-p24174. While I can't speak for others on this forum, I can say it would take me until 2022 to read through this document without any hope of understanding most of it.
So this was well in the works before this “this current administration”, as he claimed. Sounds to me like a natural progression to more efficient vehicles, not party politics.
This also sounds like a Mercedes AG Problem. Haven’t read of any abrupt cancellations from Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, BMW, Audi.
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08-17-2021, 12:54 PM
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Wassaby (08-18-2021)
08-17-2021, 01:03 PM
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Interesting. A quick search shows that Mercedes has patented the monikers G43, G53, and G73, along with the EQG trims.
Not too hard to imagine the G63 becomes a G73 hybrid. Not sure what they will call the non-AMG version as I don't think they will do a V6 G.
Not too hard to imagine the G63 becomes a G73 hybrid. Not sure what they will call the non-AMG version as I don't think they will do a V6 G.
08-17-2021, 01:17 PM
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SAFE was officially released in mid-2020
So this was well in the works before this “this current administration”, as he claimed. Sounds to me like a natural progression to more efficient vehicles, not party politics.
This also sounds like a Mercedes AG Problem. Haven’t read of any abrupt cancellations from Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, BMW, Audi.
So this was well in the works before this “this current administration”, as he claimed. Sounds to me like a natural progression to more efficient vehicles, not party politics.
This also sounds like a Mercedes AG Problem. Haven’t read of any abrupt cancellations from Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, BMW, Audi.
08-17-2021, 01:26 PM
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Why not? I can see a G53 with a hybrid 6...easily. Never thought the C63 would have a 4 banger, but it will. At this point, everything is on the table. We are witnessing a historical shift in MB as they transition to their hopes of going full electric.
08-17-2021, 01:43 PM
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If a G73 becomes reality....perfect time to do a market price adjustment
If I was a betting man, the next G is a G53 (some sort of six cylinder hybrid). Same torque / power as 63....with an option for a G73, but then again I thought the GT73 would be out by now
Its a game of averages, and the AMG V8 lowers the fleet average.....and when you have a fleet of less cars being produced....the big polluters become a problem in the equation
Ill be keeping mine and my wifes G63 until the future is setteled....you can buy up to 10 years warranty, ill figure ot out when warranty is up
If I was a betting man, the next G is a G53 (some sort of six cylinder hybrid). Same torque / power as 63....with an option for a G73, but then again I thought the GT73 would be out by now
Its a game of averages, and the AMG V8 lowers the fleet average.....and when you have a fleet of less cars being produced....the big polluters become a problem in the equation
Ill be keeping mine and my wifes G63 until the future is setteled....you can buy up to 10 years warranty, ill figure ot out when warranty is up
08-17-2021, 07:12 PM
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I suppose it's possible but in the past Mercedes has said the G will stay with V8s as that's what the buyers want. Of course things are subject to change as we've seen the past week or so.
08-17-2021, 07:33 PM
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I want them to disable the %$@*&!# lane keeping assist, but apparently they're deaf on that topic.
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08-18-2021, 11:34 AM
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Just got an email from my sales rep at a prominent Mercedes dealer in Canada:
Production will not be in play for about 8 months of 2022
So 2022 production is not completely cancelled?
Production will not be in play for about 8 months of 2022
So 2022 production is not completely cancelled?
08-18-2021, 11:41 AM
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Hope so
some dealers think that ordering will be resumed in mid 2022. Nothing confirmed yet
08-18-2021, 06:20 PM
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My dealer just told me that they closed out their wait list for the G63. Not taking any new orders and anyone who had a 22 order either got moved to an extra late 21 slot or canceled.
They are also hearing the same rumors of a hybrid replacement. Not sure if that will be permanent change or what but it sounds like it might be.
No way MBUSA kills the golden goose so hopefully they bring the V8 back for the G like they kept it for the S.
08-18-2021, 06:31 PM
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I wouldn't put much weight into what the dealers says. I don't think they know that much right now, particularly since this was out of the blue and even they couldn't see this coming. 2022 production for likely revamped 2023 model lineup. Don't expect the exact same power plants.
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08-18-2021, 09:07 PM
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And will be back.
it is affecting labor and profits
https://europe.autonews.com/automake...chip-shortages
it is affecting labor and profits
https://europe.autonews.com/automake...chip-shortages
They are now putting all of their stock into the new electrics and their flagship car: the new S-class hence why it is still getting V8's and has not had its production halted.
My theory is they get to save on penalties by halting all the other AMG's and V8 models for one year; during that time they prioritize their electric cars and the new S-class to get their markets off the ground and all the meanwhile us suckers will be hungry as ever when the G production resumes normality. Im praying this is the case and the G63 returns as that is what I put a deposit on and that is all I want. I suspect a lot of other G customers want the same thing so one or 2 more years of normal gas productions then switch to hybrid/electric G would be perfect but we'll see I guess.
08-19-2021, 06:18 AM
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Respectfully, I think you mean MB has "trademarked" these monikers, not "patented". Can you tell us your source of this info?
08-19-2021, 08:16 AM
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Yes sorry semantics. I’ve seen it called a patent and trademark online but you know what I mean.
https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...amg-model.html
https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/...amg-model.html
08-19-2021, 08:33 AM
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This actually makes a lot of sense. Obviously the G's are a cash cow for Mercedes but they also come at the cost of the company probably having to pay penalties due to its emissions.
They are now putting all of their stock into the new electrics and their flagship car: the new S-class hence why it is still getting V8's and has not had its production halted.
My theory is they get to save on penalties by halting all the other AMG's and V8 models for one year; during that time they prioritize their electric cars and the new S-class to get their markets off the ground and all the meanwhile us suckers will be hungry as ever when the G production resumes normality. Im praying this is the case and the G63 returns as that is what I put a deposit on and that is all I want. I suspect a lot of other G customers want the same thing so one or 2 more years of normal gas productions then switch to hybrid/electric G would be perfect but we'll see I guess.
They are now putting all of their stock into the new electrics and their flagship car: the new S-class hence why it is still getting V8's and has not had its production halted.
My theory is they get to save on penalties by halting all the other AMG's and V8 models for one year; during that time they prioritize their electric cars and the new S-class to get their markets off the ground and all the meanwhile us suckers will be hungry as ever when the G production resumes normality. Im praying this is the case and the G63 returns as that is what I put a deposit on and that is all I want. I suspect a lot of other G customers want the same thing so one or 2 more years of normal gas productions then switch to hybrid/electric G would be perfect but we'll see I guess.
08-19-2021, 11:58 AM
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Agreed. The reality is that many (if not, most) people buying these things don't really care that much about what is powering it. They are buying Gwagons for the looks and the fact its a status symbol. As long as they keep the same body, keep it relatively exclusive, and market the change as an upgrade, they will find success with whatever powerplant they stick inside of it.
08-19-2021, 12:07 PM
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Agreed. The reality is that many (if not, most) people buying these things don't really care that much about what is powering it. They are buying Gwagons for the looks and the fact its a status symbol. As long as they keep the same body, keep it relatively exclusive, and market the change as an upgrade, they will find success with whatever powerplant they stick inside of it.
08-19-2021, 12:30 PM
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Can't speak for others but it matters a lot to me! Im making the point of having this be my last burly engine before I make the switch to EV or hybrid wayyyyy down the line. It would be a deal breaker as Im only going through with my order if its a pure ICE G63 like the 21's.
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08-19-2021, 01:26 PM
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Ditto that -- but I'm fine with the smaller 3L IL6 turbo, if that becomes the follow-up. I'm still reticent about a hybrid or EQG -- I drive only about 5K miles/year, and wouldn't find any payback in either alternative to an ICE.
