FCA EPA Diesel cheating: MB Next?
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FCA EPA Diesel cheating: MB Next?
In light of today's EPA actions against FCA http://www.detroitnews.com/story/bus...ions/96485778/, is MB next?
I'm still looking at a GL350, but as the current owner of a VW Touareg TDI, I'm not sure I want to go through this again with another vehicle.
I'm still looking at a GL350, but as the current owner of a VW Touareg TDI, I'm not sure I want to go through this again with another vehicle.
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No... Mercedes is not next .... Fed's went thru the rest of the Germans 1st thing when the VW debacle hit...
Hey - get your money from VW as soon as you can - no awards for being the last guy out ...
Hey - get your money from VW as soon as you can - no awards for being the last guy out ...
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March-April production this past in special VPC holding yard - had Fed approval - then the nature of the Fed debacle with VW is the Fed's got "fooled" - and approvals were pulled pending release of final new testing procedures from the Fed's - which haven't come - and now a moot point I guess..
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March-April production this past in special VPC holding yard - had Fed approval - then the nature of the Fed debacle with VW is the Fed's got "fooled" - and approvals were pulled pending release of final new testing procedures from the Fed's - which haven't come - and now a moot point I guess..
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No - just not buying into the internet conspriracy/conjecture bullsh*t - for owner's it's about their next GL/GLS - or about the GL/GLS they own now - where it's one SUV for a owner - it's important to my customers - which to me is about 35 GL/GLS a yr...
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Give me something logical and plausible. History tells me that fraudulent activity by one manufacturer is often industry wide meaning the German automobile industry.
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Looks as though the EPA is about to charge Fiat Chrysler with cheating on EPA testing of their diesels. The allegation is similar to the Volkswagen issue.
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Has anyone looked at some technical measures comparing the VW 3.0 to the MB 3.0? In the Touareg the DEF (AdBlue) consumption was considered to be lower than you would expect, at about 3-4gals / 10,000 miles which makes sense if the emissions systems were turned off part of the time. Does the MB 3.0 use more DEF than that? In order to handle more urea injection, the system would require more catalyst in a (larger) catalytic converter. Does the MB have a larger or way more expensive catalytic converter?
So all those 2016's are just sitting there. I hope they are running them periodically.
Anyway, I'm trying to make an informed decision. I guess in the end it doesn't matter that much because if I buy the car and there is some EPA action it could probably be resolved with a fix and compensation.
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That said, Fiat is telling a different story than the EPA. Fiat is claiming the EPA is flagging them for "not disclosing software" installed on cars. Evidently the issue is, all cars have undisclosed software on them and the EPA never cared, at least according to Fiat. Seems as if the EPA changed the rules of the game after the VW fiasco and didn't bother to alert or allow manufacturers to fix issues.
All of that is not inline with what VW admitted to doing BTW.
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Looks like this might be coming to MB now after all
http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...alties-recalls
http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...alties-recalls
"In light of the ongoing governmental information requests, inquiries and investigations, and our own internal investigation, it cannot be ruled out that the authorities might reach the conclusion that Mercedes-Benz diesel vehicles have similar functionalities,"
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Looks like this might be coming to MB now after all
http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...alties-recalls
http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...alties-recalls
IMHO, it will be interesting to see if the actual EPA enforcement of this is different under the current administrator. The regulations haven't changed but there is wide latitude for enforcement.
If nothing else the class action attorneys are gonna be more excited.
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I am willing to bet a sizable volume of Belgium's finest that not a SINGLE (current or fairly current) vehicle, be it gas or diesel powered, meets the published number when driven 'normally' in 'daily traffic'.
Therefore the whole thing is academic, and political. And when politics are involved, there's no way of telling either way.
Therefore the whole thing is academic, and political. And when politics are involved, there's no way of telling either way.
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FWIW, MB has stopped certification for all diesels in the US (except Sprinter). There will not be any 2017s after all.
http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...rcedes-diesels
http://www.autonews.com/article/2017...rcedes-diesels
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I absolutely love the VW/Audi Diesels. I owned a V10 before the GL and a V6 Diesel as well. They are extremely stout and reliable engines. So much of me wishes VW had fixed them in newer models and continued to offer them.
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It looks like Mercedes is updating the emissions software in the diesel cars in Europe. They are in talks with the US regulators. Anybody know if/when the software update will be required in the US? I wonder if this will have a negative impact on the performance of these cars like it does in the VWs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/b...emissions.html
In another article they said that Mercedes has a new line of diesel engines. I wonder if those engines will make it over to the US?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/18/b...emissions.html
In another article they said that Mercedes has a new line of diesel engines. I wonder if those engines will make it over to the US?
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I don't expect to see that engine in the current x166, but it will undoubtedly find its way into the redesign.
However, I do not think MB will support light diesels in the US in the future. These are very uncertain times for diesel passenger vehicles in the US and Europe.
