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Old May 25, 2018 | 10:16 AM
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GL63 Pad Thickness Message 10k miles used?

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Had the front and rear pads changed by Mercedes a year and after approx 10k use, normal spirited but not silly driving, the yellow colour text pad thickness message is back, 10k miles, is that right?

Havent looked in yet as its raining hard so will look when i can.

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Old May 25, 2018 | 05:51 PM
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Hi all

Photo of each corner attached, Im not an expert but think these pads look ok still, can someone please confirm?

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Old May 25, 2018 | 08:57 PM
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By know means an expert, but two of the pics look thin. Not sure what you meant by corners as I only see three pics here. Anyway, there is a wire sensor inbedded in one front pad and one rear pad. When pad(s) wear to the sensor point, it triggers the message. 10k is way too little. I got 27k out of rears and thought that was a bit short, but with all the safety (auto brake, lane depart, etc) I understand rears are activated more often and tend to wear sooner. I switched to a duralast brand to see if I can get more out of them.
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Old May 25, 2018 | 09:05 PM
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told you I’m “no” expert. Now I see 4 pics. Pics # 1 and 3 are the ones that look thin. Other two appear to be much better shape. You may want to verify all four were changed, as you’d have to be a really heavy braker to go through a set in 10k
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Old May 26, 2018 | 03:18 AM
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If the sliding pins are not properly lubricated, pads will basically stuck to rotors and eat up the pads like a rubber eraser and lose MPG too. Also, rear pads can go out unevenly inner vs outer.
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Old May 26, 2018 | 03:56 AM
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Ive sent the pictures to my dealer posing the question as to why the rear pads are worn yet fronts are still ok, all 4 corners where changed together a year ago by same dealer (or atleast that was the bill I got from them)
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Old May 27, 2018 | 10:26 AM
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First, you are only seeing half of the pads. You're showing outers, remember there are inner pads.
Second, with the various functions related to safety and lane-keeping controlled by brake force, you will find rear pads wearing more and particularly the inners.
10000 is quick, though.
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Old May 29, 2018 | 06:37 AM
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Dealer came back this morning and based on photos only is suggesting nothing untoward, evenly worn and “cars these days use the rears more”, he wouldnt be drawn as to why they worn out after 10k miles when the fronts are healthy.

Its the usual response to be honest so I said I wont be getting them to fit them, he went quiet after that comment.

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Old May 29, 2018 | 07:27 AM
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I'm not sure you're listening to the advice here. Rear brakes wear faster, and sometimes the inners wear more quickly than the outers on the rear. The wear sensor is embedded in the inner pad on one side. 10000 miles is not a long way to go before that happens, but so much depends upon your driving style in that fast, powerful very heavy machine, how often you trigger some of the safety mechanisms and that you also have cross drilled rotors which sometimes create more wear then do non drilled rotors. Certainly get another shop to do the brake job, you'll save money no matter how long the replacement set lasts. There's a trick with regard to the electronic parking brake, disabling it is something you can do on the menu just look it up on YouTube, you can also research it here.
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Old May 29, 2018 | 07:36 AM
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Sorry, seems I had misunderstood some of the advice, thank you for the clarification
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It is not unusual for one to request visual verification on swapped out parts after basic maintenance like brakes even at the dealer FYI.
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I'm not sure you're listening to the advice here. Rear brakes wear faster, and sometimes the inners wear more quickly than the outers on the rear. The wear sensor is embedded in the inner pad on one side. 10000 miles is not a long way to go before that happens, but so much depends upon your driving style in that fast, powerful very heavy machine, how often you trigger some of the safety mechanisms and that you also have cross drilled rotors which sometimes create more wear then do non drilled rotors. Certainly get another shop to do the brake job, you'll save money no matter how long the replacement set lasts. There's a trick with regard to the electronic parking brake, disabling it is something you can do on the menu just look it up on YouTube, you can also research it here.
How does disabling the electronic parking brake decrease brake wear? The car isn't moving when applied.
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Many manufacturers are using rear braking to decrease turning radius and improve handling. Laws of physics still exist no matter which car you drive.
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How does disabling the electronic parking brake decrease brake wear?

oh my gosh, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with a step required before you can remove the brake caliper in order to replace the pads. If you take it to an independent shop they need to either know how to do this from experience, or you need to do it for them using the car's menu system. There seems to be a little trick related to starting it back up, the same conditions have to apply as existed when turning it off. The car can't be running, for example, or it may not restore and then you'll be posting about the error message you have after your brake job.
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Old Sep 10, 2018 | 08:24 PM
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X166 Owners. 2013 GL 450. I have a problem that is not normal brake wear. Front pads have 36k miles on them and look like they are less than 50% worn. 1st set of rear pads lasted 30k. Found OUTSIDE right rear passenger pad was down to metal. Wear sensor was mounted on INSIDE right rear passenger, inside pad was 60% worn while it's outside partner was down to metal. Replaced all rear pads and rotors (Textar OEM Pads, Zimmerman Rotors), all premium parts.

10k miles later, rear passenger OUTSIDE pad was toast again, down to metal. Inside pad 50%. I noticed the rear rotors are both nautically hotter than front pads after even 10 mile drive. I've read on this forum that the world of auto engineering have changed, and the rear now wears faster. Replaced pads AGAIN at 10k with clear uneven wear. Extra careful to clean calipers, caliper pins, boots, brackets, slide groves, and properly lubricate all with proper high quality brake part lubricant.

Decided to keep electronic parking brake DISENGAGED in case it was dragging on rotor. Noticed less heat on rotors, but still noticeably hotter than front. Engage parking brake and it's noticeably hotter.

Can be one of 4 things, or combo:

1) Both rear brake calipers sticking? Somehow passenger rear worse than driver rear, not sure why it would stick and wear outside, but not inside?

2) Brake hoses bad and not releasing back pressure to brake master cylinder, keeping brakes engaged/touching? Hoses 5 years old, fresh looking, proper shape and form, not collapsed or worn in any way. Applied pressure to rear brakes and released, then loosened brake bleed nipple, no high pressure spray or spurt typically means hoses no longer holding pressure - therefore not blocked.

3) The electronic parking brake is not fully releasing and is someone dragging/touching pad constantly? Again, why passenger outside pad getting eaten up? Does it use the passenger side exclusively? Again, noticed less heat on rear rotors with electronic brake completely disengaged, standard braking still works.

Any input welcome. I've been working on cars most of my life. I'm not Mercedes Certified for sure, but I fully understand how to use the electronic engage/disengage feature via onboard computer - in part thanks to contributors to this forum. I own two Mercs, a 2003 W211 185k, purchased new in Summer 2002, yes I've owned it for 16 years. And a 2013 GL 450 purchased as local Certified Preowned with 30k miles on lease turn-in.
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