Hi from Land Down Under - Australia
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After recommendations from any Perth folk on here. I have a stone chip that needs repair. Its probably going to need a little filling as its deep.Who in Perth can i trust my car with ?
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Tyre Wear
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Tyres:
GLC250 Bridgestone Duellers H/P 255/45 R20
Tread depths after 21000 Kms
_____________Outside__Midddle___Inside__Average_Ch ange
Left Front______4.1 _____ 4.4 _____ 4.5 ___ 4.3 ____ -0.5
Right Front ____ 4.7 _____ 4.8 _____ 4.5 ___ 4.7 _____-0.4
Left Rear______ 4.3 _____ 4.7 _____ 4.3 ___ 4.4 ____ -0.2
Right Rear_____ 4.8 _____ 4.8 _____ 5.0 ___ 4.9 ____ -0.4
Avg_________4.48_____ 4.68 ___ 4.58 _ 4.58 ___ -0.38
Estimated tyre life 30Km-35Km
Interesting that heavier wear is indicated on the left side. Roundabouts ??
Will get tyres rotated left to right/front to back.
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Tyres:
GLC250 Bridgestone Duellers H/P 255/45 R20
Tread depths after 21000 Kms
_____________Outside__Midddle___Inside__Average_Ch ange
Left Front______4.1 _____ 4.4 _____ 4.5 ___ 4.3 ____ -0.5
Right Front ____ 4.7 _____ 4.8 _____ 4.5 ___ 4.7 _____-0.4
Left Rear______ 4.3 _____ 4.7 _____ 4.3 ___ 4.4 ____ -0.2
Right Rear_____ 4.8 _____ 4.8 _____ 5.0 ___ 4.9 ____ -0.4
Avg_________4.48_____ 4.68 ___ 4.58 _ 4.58 ___ -0.38
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Posted on the Australian Whirlpool forums
Tyres:
GLC250 Bridgestone Duellers H/P 255/45 R20
Tread depths after 21000 Kms
_____________Outside__Midddle___Inside__Average_Ch ange
Left Front______4.1 _____ 4.4 _____ 4.5 ___ 4.3 ____ -0.5
Right Front ____ 4.7 _____ 4.8 _____ 4.5 ___ 4.7 _____-0.4
Left Rear______ 4.3 _____ 4.7 _____ 4.3 ___ 4.4 ____ -0.2
Right Rear_____ 4.8 _____ 4.8 _____ 5.0 ___ 4.9 ____ -0.4
Avg_________4.48_____ 4.68 ___ 4.58 _ 4.58 ___ -0.38
Estimated tyre life 30Km-35Km
Interesting that heavier wear is indicated on the left side. Roundabouts ??
Will get tyres rotated left to right/front to back.
Front left wears the most with some feathering on the outside. While it is normal for left side to wear a little quicker I think this feathering is due to the crabbing issue as it put a lot of force on this tyre around roundabouts on hard lock.
I have new tyres now and was thinking of a wheel alignment but may skip it given they are tracking very well and the wear I had seems very common and not necessarily a wheel alignment issue.
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With the same tyres I had a very similar wear pattern and got 34000 kms without rotation.
Front left wears the most with some feathering on the outside. While it is normal for left side to wear a little quicker I think this feathering is due to the crabbing issue as it put a lot of force on this tyre around roundabouts on hard lock.
I have new tyres now and was thinking of a wheel alignment but may skip it given they are tracking very well and the wear I had seems very common and not necessarily a wheel alignment issue.
Front left wears the most with some feathering on the outside. While it is normal for left side to wear a little quicker I think this feathering is due to the crabbing issue as it put a lot of force on this tyre around roundabouts on hard lock.
I have new tyres now and was thinking of a wheel alignment but may skip it given they are tracking very well and the wear I had seems very common and not necessarily a wheel alignment issue.
Demand a pre and post setting print out, keep it for future ref and if necessary later for a tyre place to re set in the future as settings are not always shared with non dealers.
The $190 to $250 whilst not cheap is cheaper than replacing tyres.
Good luck.
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I certainly saw an improvement the first time with outer edge wear on front left tyre. Maybe I as unlucky and the sea journey slowly upset the alignment with constant movement, even though tied down, still stress points and pressure wear for 45 days minimum at sea ????
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Only each time its done there was improvement, on the old summer tyres. I was told they were trying to fix the camber settings and compensate for the wheel angle when turning, but there was minimal adjustment to play with.
I certainly saw an improvement the first time with outer edge wear on front left tyre. Maybe I as unlucky and the sea journey slowly upset the alignment with constant movement, even though tied down, still stress points and pressure wear for 45 days minimum at sea ????
Also, I would question the alignment to stop crabbing being the best for the car in terms of performance. The other cars suffering this crabbing issue are Porsche and Alfa Romeo who are obviously tuning their handling for fast corners rather than car parks and roundabouts.
Let's see how I go on these new non RFT tyres as the crabbing is greatly reduced, which I think will mean less feathering on the outside front edge of the tyres.
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This still seems to me to indicate a flaw in the RHD conversion, which is what I've always been suspicious of. If the adjustment lessens the problem then it must be having some beneficial effect, but the flaw means that there isn't enough adjustment available so the conversion didn't put the adjustment mid-point in the correct position.
Also, I would question the alignment to stop crabbing being the best for the car in terms of performance. The other cars suffering this crabbing issue are Porsche and Alfa Romeo who are obviously tuning their handling for fast corners rather than car parks and roundabouts.
This interests me too. I've wondered whether the tyre change really solves the tyre wear problem, or just masks it.
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This still seems to me to indicate a flaw in the RHD conversion, which is what I've always been suspicious of. If the adjustment lessens the problem then it must be having some beneficial effect, but the flaw means that there isn't enough adjustment available so the conversion didn't put the adjustment mid-point in the correct position.
I don't know what to make of that. Is there really a trade-off between crabbing and handing? Is so why don't all good-handling performance cars crab? Because if you're paying that sort of money for a premium car you don't want to put up with that sort of phenomenon. What surprises me is that Porsche and Audi owners are.
This interests me too. I've wondered whether the tyre change really solves the tyre wear problem, or just masks it.
I don't know what to make of that. Is there really a trade-off between crabbing and handing? Is so why don't all good-handling performance cars crab? Because if you're paying that sort of money for a premium car you don't want to put up with that sort of phenomenon. What surprises me is that Porsche and Audi owners are.
This interests me too. I've wondered whether the tyre change really solves the tyre wear problem, or just masks it.
The reason this Ackerman effect is becoming a new phenomenon is because of the size of the tyres vs turning circle that we have on new cars these days. It seems to becoming more and more prevalent and is exasperated by large low profile wide tyes, run flats and geometry on Mercedes RHD cars.
This is somewhat explained simply here http://www.mcgrathautoblog.com/autom...ette-stingray/
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That's an interesting link. Thanks. But it doesn't explain to me why crabbing, or the Ackerman effect, is prevalent in RHD GLCs but only very, very rarely in LHD. That link suggests that you can choose to mitigate the effect or not by design. But surely the design of both RHD & LHD is much the same only reversed?
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That's an interesting link. Thanks. But it doesn't explain to me why crabbing, or the Ackerman effect, is prevalent in RHD GLCs but only very, very rarely in LHD. That link suggests that you can choose to mitigate the effect or not by design. But surely the design of both RHD & LHD is much the same only reversed?
The point I am making is that the Ackerman effect created by this compromise in steering geometry, due to the transfer case location, may not necessarily be a bad thing depending on how you look at it.
I understand this car may be considered more of a luxury car, but if I fit new non RFT performance tyres and the effect is greatly reduced and I have much better handling then surely this is a win?
If I get the tyres realigned now, which have then been adjusted to mitigate the Ackerman effect, then I may be heading in the wrong direction in my case. As long as they are wearing well and tracking well then I don't see the need for a change.
Teckno, a new car that arrives with poor wheel alignment is a poorly prepared car. These settings should be checked before delivery. I have suffered this once with an Alfa 147 that had very high front tyre wear. It was realigned when a tyre was damaged beyond repair and replaced by a supplier of cheap tyres in Sydney (where bips bought his wheels) and the result was more than terrible. Had it redone by a tyre place in Sydney who was ironically the place that did the wheel alignments for Sandersons Mercedes and the owner was a Alfa owner/enthusiast and they did a magnificent job.
Nowadays I would only realign them by a Mercedes dealer (if needed) or go back to that place in Woolloomooloo if they are still there.
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This might help discussions re Fuel injector cleaning and DPF cleaning.
There are a number of brands who cater for this cleaning, I have only listed two sellers, there are others of reputable standing.
One product allows cleaning of DPF when travelling slow, in suburban environment, without having to travel for 20 min at 80-100kph.
I have always used a fuel injector cleaner in all our petrol and diesel cars, maybe lucky, but never a problem and exhaust with diesels always clean.
Whenever going above the snow line overnight, if I have not filled up with Alpine diesel, I add a bottle of special “anti freezer,gel” to fuel, designed for diesel to save having to be towed off the mountain and wait for tank to warm up and defrost !!
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...an-boost-2769/
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...nti-clog-2729/
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/diesel-clean-boost-2701/
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/when-to...ystem-cleaner/
https://www.bluechemaustralia.com.au...f-power-clean/
https://www.bluechemaustralia.com.au.../dpf-cleaning/
There are a number of brands who cater for this cleaning, I have only listed two sellers, there are others of reputable standing.
One product allows cleaning of DPF when travelling slow, in suburban environment, without having to travel for 20 min at 80-100kph.
I have always used a fuel injector cleaner in all our petrol and diesel cars, maybe lucky, but never a problem and exhaust with diesels always clean.
Whenever going above the snow line overnight, if I have not filled up with Alpine diesel, I add a bottle of special “anti freezer,gel” to fuel, designed for diesel to save having to be towed off the mountain and wait for tank to warm up and defrost !!
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...an-boost-2769/
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/product...nti-clog-2729/
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/diesel-clean-boost-2701/
http://www.liqui-moly.com.au/when-to...ystem-cleaner/
https://www.bluechemaustralia.com.au...f-power-clean/
https://www.bluechemaustralia.com.au.../dpf-cleaning/
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New navigation assistance option.
https://www.cnet.com/news/how-what3w...38403791806709
https://what3words.com/2018/02/merce...s-integration/
Looks very promising, not sure what Mercedes will be using it and if it will be backwards compatible with our GLC systems, here’s hoping.
https://www.cnet.com/news/how-what3w...38403791806709
https://what3words.com/2018/02/merce...s-integration/
Looks very promising, not sure what Mercedes will be using it and if it will be backwards compatible with our GLC systems, here’s hoping.
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Hi team...GLC 43 built JAn 2017...my original ContiSports were showing major wear at 6000 (six thousand !!!!!) and told i would need new tires ....so.....told them that the crabbing issues were unacceptable, and the tires were not fit for purpose....so MB replaced front 255 40 21 with new Contisport 5's , gratis, and, and CRABBING completely disappeared!!!!
Sport mode is better than comfort...less float
Will be getting aftermarket wheels and 19 inch tires for what i consider unacceptable tire noise on the Hume Hgway, and patter on poor suburban roads.
Sport mode is better than comfort...less float
Will be getting aftermarket wheels and 19 inch tires for what i consider unacceptable tire noise on the Hume Hgway, and patter on poor suburban roads.
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Hi team...GLC 43 built JAn 2017...my original ContiSports were showing major wear at 6000 (six thousand !!!!!) and told i would need new tires ....so.....told them that the crabbing issues were unacceptable, and the tires were not fit for purpose....so MB replaced front 255 40 21 with new Contisport 5's , gratis, and, and CRABBING completely disappeared!!!!
Sport mode is better than comfort...less float
Will be getting aftermarket wheels and 19 inch tires for what i consider unacceptable tire noise on the Hume Hgway, and patter on poor suburban roads.
Sport mode is better than comfort...less float
Will be getting aftermarket wheels and 19 inch tires for what i consider unacceptable tire noise on the Hume Hgway, and patter on poor suburban roads.
Were they the Conti star series they put on? Im waiting to hear back from MB what they are going to do for mine.
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All very interesting, the ongoing discussion regarding tyre wear.
After reading many forum threads on the subject, I come to these conclusions - (Caveat - I have no technical experience on these matters ..just my views)
- It appears that MB have made some compromises in the front end geometry of the GLC
- These compromises are not unique to MB ...other manufacturers have similar issue with some models.
- RHD vehicles appear to have suffered worse, because of the position of the transfer case and the steering components.
- The point Techno is making is that over time the published wheel alignment specs from MB have changed.
- There is definitely some variance in vehicles coming out of the factory ..similar vehicle with same tyres exhibit different behaviours.
- Some OEM tyres appear to be sub standard in performance compared to retail versions of the "same" tyre.
- Runflat or MOE specification tyres appear to exacerbate the issue.
- While reluctant in the beginning, the MB dealerships are trying to mitigate the issue, with tyre replacements, but no so much wheel alignment adjustments. This intrigues me!
All of the above makes it difficult for us as individual customers to have a meaningful conversation with the dealerships about the issue.
Equally, it must make it difficult for the MB service departments to sort thru the issues.
I have never been soooooo tyre focused with any other car I have owned.
After reading many forum threads on the subject, I come to these conclusions - (Caveat - I have no technical experience on these matters ..just my views)
- It appears that MB have made some compromises in the front end geometry of the GLC
- These compromises are not unique to MB ...other manufacturers have similar issue with some models.
- RHD vehicles appear to have suffered worse, because of the position of the transfer case and the steering components.
- The point Techno is making is that over time the published wheel alignment specs from MB have changed.
- There is definitely some variance in vehicles coming out of the factory ..similar vehicle with same tyres exhibit different behaviours.
- Some OEM tyres appear to be sub standard in performance compared to retail versions of the "same" tyre.
- Runflat or MOE specification tyres appear to exacerbate the issue.
- While reluctant in the beginning, the MB dealerships are trying to mitigate the issue, with tyre replacements, but no so much wheel alignment adjustments. This intrigues me!
All of the above makes it difficult for us as individual customers to have a meaningful conversation with the dealerships about the issue.
Equally, it must make it difficult for the MB service departments to sort thru the issues.
I have never been soooooo tyre focused with any other car I have owned.
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All very interesting, the ongoing discussion regarding tyre wear.
After reading many forum threads on the subject, I come to these conclusions - (Caveat - I have no technical experience on these matters ..just
...........
I have never been soooooo tyre focused with any other car I have owned.
After reading many forum threads on the subject, I come to these conclusions - (Caveat - I have no technical experience on these matters ..just
...........
I have never been soooooo tyre focused with any other car I have owned.
All owners who take pride in their ride are frustrated by this issue.
I too have never been so absorbed by this Tyre issue, really hoping it settles down. Maybe I just need to chill a little, but happy to assist others with my own , non teck , observations.
Im keeping our cars so some vested interest, but must not let this consume me !!
keep up the good work, cheers.
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GLC 43 tires and crabbing
have ordered 19 inch wheels from RIMS USA, 8.5 front and 9.5 rear, to replace the 21 inch rims, and will likely put MICHELLIN Latitude 3's as Runflats to see if ride quality is better or more 'luxurient'...
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have ordered 19 inch wheels from RIMS USA, 8.5 front and 9.5 rear, to replace the 21 inch rims, and will likely put MICHELLIN Latitude 3's as Runflats to see if ride quality is better or more 'luxurient'...
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yes, they are the star series...i suspect the MOE product was a substandard fitment...(dont sell or release to the general public)
have ordered 19 inch wheels from RIMS USA, 8.5 front and 9.5 rear, to replace the 21 inch rims, and will likely put MICHELLIN Latitude 3's as Runflats to see if ride quality is better or more 'luxurient'...
have ordered 19 inch wheels from RIMS USA, 8.5 front and 9.5 rear, to replace the 21 inch rims, and will likely put MICHELLIN Latitude 3's as Runflats to see if ride quality is better or more 'luxurient'...
There have been some posts where other rims will not fit the AMG brake pattern.
Runflats will still be harsher than normal tyres, try All Season types (non run flats, though there are run flat versions too) and carry a tyre plug set and air compressor.
The All Season tyre compound and design seems to mask or fix the wheel jugger on right hand turns. Summer tyre design seems to make judder worse.
Good luck
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