Success! Multibeam headlights on my 43 in the US!
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Multibeam is option code 640 on your build sheet (vin look up on Datamb,com or lastvin.com) 640 DYNAMIC LED HEADLAMPS, SAE, RIGHT-HAND TRAFFIC.
Another way to check is the large "eye' main lamp is located inboard and the housing say "Multibeam" along the chrome bottom edge of the housing. On the standard non-multibeam the larger lamp is outboard.
The thread "Multibeam in Canada" has descriptions and reports that apply to both US and Canada cars. Consensus is it works perfectly. If you drive on totally dark roads at night is probably worth having.
Another way to check is the large "eye' main lamp is located inboard and the housing say "Multibeam" along the chrome bottom edge of the housing. On the standard non-multibeam the larger lamp is outboard.
The thread "Multibeam in Canada" has descriptions and reports that apply to both US and Canada cars. Consensus is it works perfectly. If you drive on totally dark roads at night is probably worth having.
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Multibeam is option code 640 on your build sheet (vin look up on Datamb,com or lastvin.com) 640 DYNAMIC LED HEADLAMPS, SAE, RIGHT-HAND TRAFFIC.
Another way to check is the large "eye' main lamp is located inboard and the housing say "Multibeam" along the chrome bottom edge of the housing. On the standard non-multibeam the larger lamp is outboard.
The thread "Multibeam in Canada" has descriptions and reports that apply to both US and Canada cars. Consensus is it works perfectly. If you drive on totally dark roads at night is probably worth having.
Another way to check is the large "eye' main lamp is located inboard and the housing say "Multibeam" along the chrome bottom edge of the housing. On the standard non-multibeam the larger lamp is outboard.
The thread "Multibeam in Canada" has descriptions and reports that apply to both US and Canada cars. Consensus is it works perfectly. If you drive on totally dark roads at night is probably worth having.
i was under the assumption there was more opened up by Vlads hack, something only available in Europe and not the US or Canada
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Last edited by GateKeeper; Jul 7, 2020 at 01:54 AM.
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regardless, I still find it expensive, just for a software enhancement, just my personal opinion
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If you think it's just software that flips a switch, that's cool. You may even be right. But for my $70k car I'm pissed that we don't get it here in North America, and $500 was a fair price, to me, for Vladimir's time. He worked with me for over a week, sending me several versions of the software, until we got it right. I did the grunt work so that maybe yours works on the first attempt. I'm happy I did it.
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Totally cool that you don't want to pay someone $500 for their research and development to code and write the software. But calling it a 'just software enhancement' isn't quite genuine. It's software that enables a safety feature that is sitting in your car unused. You paid for the headlights, why not get the most out of them?
If you think it's just software that flips a switch, that's cool. You may even be right. But for my $70k car I'm pissed that we don't get it here in North America, and $500 was a fair price, to me, for the programmer's time. He worked with me for over a week, sending me several versions of the software, until we got it right. I did the grunt work so that maybe yours works on the first attempt. I'm happy I did it.
If you think it's just software that flips a switch, that's cool. You may even be right. But for my $70k car I'm pissed that we don't get it here in North America, and $500 was a fair price, to me, for the programmer's time. He worked with me for over a week, sending me several versions of the software, until we got it right. I did the grunt work so that maybe yours works on the first attempt. I'm happy I did it.
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Everyone does with their money as they see fit, and rightly so
i just think it’s a bit steep, so I will not part with almost 800 bucks, for a few extra features, fortunately I don’t drive a lot on dark deserted and not well lit streets so the bit extra this opens up, is of no great benefit too me.
but I can tell you one thing, I would probably be right if Vladimir sold this for a hundred bucks per unit, he probably could not get enough SD cards to fill the orders he would get.
also I see no correlation in how much I spent to purchase/lease my car, as too what I spend on aftermarket parts has to do with anything, heck I spent 250 bucks on a carbon fibre wing, because I didn’t like the white one the car came with, which adds no safety to the car, it just made the car look better in my eyes, someone else could argue the fact it was a total waste of money.
just my thoughts
just to add, if it was such a great safety feature, then it should apply to Canada and US vehicles, not just for those overseas, guess on this side they don’t think it’s such a great safety feature, probably just a nice thing to have, but over all we don't really need it
just like the fold away hitch, they have it in Europe, yet we don’t get it, kinda strange ehh?
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i just think it’s a bit steep, so I will not part with almost 800 bucks, for a few extra features, fortunately I don’t drive a lot on dark deserted and not well lit streets so the bit extra this opens up, is of no great benefit too me.
but I can tell you one thing, I would probably be right if Vladimir sold this for a hundred bucks per unit, he probably could not get enough SD cards to fill the orders he would get.
also I see no correlation in how much I spent to purchase/lease my car, as too what I spend on aftermarket parts has to do with anything, heck I spent 250 bucks on a carbon fibre wing, because I didn’t like the white one the car came with, which adds no safety to the car, it just made the car look better in my eyes, someone else could argue the fact it was a total waste of money.
just my thoughts
just to add, if it was such a great safety feature, then it should apply to Canada and US vehicles, not just for those overseas, guess on this side they don’t think it’s such a great safety feature, probably just a nice thing to have, but over all we don't really need it
just like the fold away hitch, they have it in Europe, yet we don’t get it, kinda strange ehh?
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just to add, if it was such a great safety feature, then it should apply to Canada and US vehicles, not just for those overseas, guess on this side they don’t think it’s such a great safety feature, probably just a nice thing to have, but over all we don't really need it
just like the fold away hitch, they have it in Europe, yet we don’t get it, kinda strange ehh?
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just like the fold away hitch, they have it in Europe, yet we don’t get it, kinda strange ehh?
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Luckily, the NHTSA agreed in 2018 to review this law, but as with anything, it is stuck in red tape and bureaucracy. It will be on our shores eventually, so to say it isn't better technology (it is), or "we don't need it" (are cars different here? Is darkness less dark here?) is pants on fire false. Please don't make broad claims you haven't researched.
More reading for those who want to advocate for their own education:
https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/04/research-european-headlight-technology-us-low-beam-safety/
https://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/download/13829/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...da/1475320001/
https://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/f...SHeadlamps.pdf <---page 11
As for Canada, it appears that the laws now DO allow AFS/ADB, so clearly the Canadian government recognizes the improvement that it brings. Congratulations! Go tell Mercedes to enable it... or get Vladimir's upgrade when it becomes available for $100.
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/euro...x-led-2180249/
https://www.drivingvisionnews.com/af...e-in-the-dark/
Last edited by Tim_P; Jul 7, 2020 at 08:02 PM.
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Note that Mercedes charges much more in EU for Multibeam than in US/Canada, surely a perceived value ploy. We are getting the same hardware with crippled firmware for less money. Making hay while the sun shines is a possible explanation for the pricing, but probably not quite the whole story.
Another view would be this remote installer must address the VIN to splice the code and in a couple cases have been very responsive to any user problems. Splicing wholesale pieces of firmware code needed to make this work is different than say, turning on CarPlay/Android. In this later case is around a $100 fee. No firmware is modified. Two bits are changed from 0 to 1 to allow these features and works in all cases.
In some chassis series, Multibeam firmware is over two hundred separate blocks of code that has to be stripped and replaced and there are small, but critical variations between chassis series that must be observed. I think MB engineering is moving to unify their coding so that options are physically installed and flags simply set in identical firmware loads, just like using the same door handles and rearview mirrors everywhere, but this is a project still underway. For that matter such unification projects are in hand in every manufacturer's engineering development programs. Alas, a separate topic.
Another view would be this remote installer must address the VIN to splice the code and in a couple cases have been very responsive to any user problems. Splicing wholesale pieces of firmware code needed to make this work is different than say, turning on CarPlay/Android. In this later case is around a $100 fee. No firmware is modified. Two bits are changed from 0 to 1 to allow these features and works in all cases.
In some chassis series, Multibeam firmware is over two hundred separate blocks of code that has to be stripped and replaced and there are small, but critical variations between chassis series that must be observed. I think MB engineering is moving to unify their coding so that options are physically installed and flags simply set in identical firmware loads, just like using the same door handles and rearview mirrors everywhere, but this is a project still underway. For that matter such unification projects are in hand in every manufacturer's engineering development programs. Alas, a separate topic.
Last edited by Mike__S; Jul 7, 2020 at 07:51 PM.
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I can't let this uninformed opinion lie. The argument of "if it were so great we would have it" is completely ignorant. The reason we don't have it (yet) is because of antiquated headlight laws in the US and Canada that do not allow for Multibeam (aka ADB) lights. Specifically, FMVSS 108, which was passed in 1987. The main gist of it is that your low and high beams cannot be on at the same time -- something that ADB safely does. That's it. Just an old law that hasn't been adapted to modern technology.
Luckily, the NHTSA agreed in 2018 to review this law, but as with anything, it is stuck in red tape and bureaucracy. It will be on our shores eventually, so to say it isn't better technology (it is), or "we don't need it" (are cars different here? Is darkness less dark here?) is pants on fire false. Please don't make broad claims you haven't researched.
More reading for those who want to advocate for their own education:
https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/04/research-european-headlight-technology-us-low-beam-safety/
https://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/download/13829/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...da/1475320001/
https://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/f...SHeadlamps.pdf <---page 11
Luckily, the NHTSA agreed in 2018 to review this law, but as with anything, it is stuck in red tape and bureaucracy. It will be on our shores eventually, so to say it isn't better technology (it is), or "we don't need it" (are cars different here? Is darkness less dark here?) is pants on fire false. Please don't make broad claims you haven't researched.
More reading for those who want to advocate for their own education:
https://newsroom.aaa.com/2019/04/research-european-headlight-technology-us-low-beam-safety/
https://publicaffairsresources.aaa.biz/download/13829/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...da/1475320001/
https://www.aaa.com/AAA/common/AAR/f...SHeadlamps.pdf <---page 11
lets get it passed that all cars made have it so headlights come on automatically, and stop drivers driving around with their just DRL’s, but our powers can’t even make that happen
lets get the Merced’s Me app updated same as what they have overseas while we are at it
lets get Mercedes make it so my car don’t shut off once I open the door to get into it if I used the app to remote start it
heck they don’t even allow me to have the vehicle computer put my seat to my preference unless I press and hold a button on the door, instead of it knowing it’s me by my key that I with me, unlocked the car and so on
yah our powers here that make the rules, are slow moving, and sometimes are more or less just standing still
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you said is darkness less dark here, your damn straight it is, have you driven a European back road, or through a small town, or village, yup it’s damn dark, when you have one light standard so far away from the next one you don’t even see it, here in North America unless your somewhere in God’s country, you more or less barely even need lights, we are so well lit up, I could drive almost without, I’m sure you have seen enough drivers that don’t even turn on their headlights, but drive around with just their DRL, and still see enough too not run off the road.
lets get it passed that all cars made have it so headlights come on automatically, and stop drivers driving around with their just DRL’s, but our powers can’t even make that happen
lets get the Merced’s Me app updated same as what they have overseas while we are at it
lets get Mercedes make it so my car don’t shut off once I open the door to get into it if I used the app to remote start it
heck they don’t even allow me to have the vehicle computer put my seat to my preference unless I press and hold a button on the door, instead of it knowing it’s me by my key that I with me, unlocked the car and so on
yah our powers here that make the rules, are slow moving, and sometimes are more or less just standing still
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lets get it passed that all cars made have it so headlights come on automatically, and stop drivers driving around with their just DRL’s, but our powers can’t even make that happen
lets get the Merced’s Me app updated same as what they have overseas while we are at it
lets get Mercedes make it so my car don’t shut off once I open the door to get into it if I used the app to remote start it
heck they don’t even allow me to have the vehicle computer put my seat to my preference unless I press and hold a button on the door, instead of it knowing it’s me by my key that I with me, unlocked the car and so on
yah our powers here that make the rules, are slow moving, and sometimes are more or less just standing still
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yes It is less “darker” on our roads cause we have way better street lighting,,,,,hope you now understand the metaphor....
you can stand by your research, And I’ll stand by my real life driving experience here in Canada, the US, and Europe
glad I am able to entertain you and others
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As for Canada, it appears that the laws now DO allow AFS/ADB, so clearly the Canadian government recognizes the improvement that it brings. Congratulations! Go tell Mercedes to enable it... or get Vladimir's upgrade when it becomes available for $100.
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/euro...x-led-2180249/
https://www.drivingvisionnews.com/af...e-in-the-dark/
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/euro...x-led-2180249/
https://www.drivingvisionnews.com/af...e-in-the-dark/
But so far, I only had my car since March and our sunset right now is around 10pm and it wouldn't get dark until midnight and our city is fully and brightly lit with LEDs. So I would have to wait for winter to come and drive out to the country to see how useful this is.
I have driven in Tuscon where street light is no-existent and it's really dark a night there compared to us in Calgary.
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Reviving an old thread, my GLC43's build date is late 2020 (Q3 or Q4) and has the LED intelligent light system. Since the law changed in 2019 and it's now "legal" I am trying to figure out if my car is coded for it from the factory? The headlights do the little dance upon start up at night and when driving on a somewhat dim road the high beams turn on as a curtain and makes the little black box for incoming cars or parked cars. It also dims off when I'm back under a well lit road. I also get corner illumination when the turn signal is activated and the headlight beams' swivel to the direction of me turning at low speeds.
Thanks,
Thanks,
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Yep, you've got the capability for the intelligent multibeam lights, you just need the coding done to unlock it. Send Vlad your VIN and he'll be able to do it for you.
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That I understand but what I was trying to see is if the car already came with the coding unlocked based on the features I described that are already present and working.
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It's a bit unclear. All of the things you see your lights doing are not indicative of the multibeam functionality, except for the black cutout for oncoming cars (and ones in front of you). If your high beams are on and cars coming toward you aren't flashing their brights at you, then you likely have multibeam. I've also noticed that brightly lit reflective street signs will suddenly dim, which I believe the car does when it notices them.
It's just odd though, because my 2020 43 didn't come with them activated. Maybe they did for later in the model year, I dunno. You could always look up your VIN and see if multibeam is listed.
It's just odd though, because my 2020 43 didn't come with them activated. Maybe they did for later in the model year, I dunno. You could always look up your VIN and see if multibeam is listed.
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Hi Guys - I have successfully enabled Multibeam headlights in my 2020 GLC 43!
First, if you're not familiar with this technology, have a look:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0OJjvYPV3oc?rel=0
I went with the upgrade offered by Vladimir in Russia, who many people on these forums have worked with in the past. He has listings on eBay, but the best way to contact him for availability and pricing is to email him at canfiltermb@gmail.com. Send him your VIN and that you want the Multibeam feature turned on. He'll get back to you quickly to let you know if he can do it. (Note that I also had him add the ECO Start On/Off upgrade, so I no longer need to turn ECO off every time I start the car. SO worth it!)
Assuming your car is eligible, Vladimir will send you an OBD2 plug, a MicroSD card reader, and a MicroSD card for each upgrade(s) you buy. He must have a guy in Canada, because the package showed up within a few days via DHL from Ontario. Simply pop open the OBD2 plug, insert the MicroSD card, and plug it into the OBD socket under the steering wheel (you need your ignition set to ON, meaning hit the Start button twice without your foot on the brake). Wait about 4 minutes for the upgrade to install, and that's basically it!
I had some problems getting my Multibeam upgrade to work, so Vladimir and I went back and forth for about a week, with him sending me new update files daily to load onto the MicroSD card. My guess is that he hadn't worked on a 2020 GLC 43 before, so he was figuring it out with me as a guinea pig. We ended up trying several iterations of the upgrade until one finally worked. If you have a 2020 GLC 43 you most likely will not have to go through this trouble. I only mention it because it shows that Vladimir was super responsive and made sure that the job got done. As others have said, he is the real deal!
I love my new multibeams! After driving around in the dark with my brights on for nearly two hours last night, not a single car flashed me to say 'your brights are on'. And you could visibly see the box of darkness the headlights were casting on the cars I was following, so light didn't hit their rearview mirrors. Plus, street signs didn't reflect back at me with the power of the sun. It really works!
Sorry for the length of this post, but I'm super pumped about this. PM me with any questions!
First, if you're not familiar with this technology, have a look:
https://www.youtube.com/embed/0OJjvYPV3oc?rel=0
I went with the upgrade offered by Vladimir in Russia, who many people on these forums have worked with in the past. He has listings on eBay, but the best way to contact him for availability and pricing is to email him at canfiltermb@gmail.com. Send him your VIN and that you want the Multibeam feature turned on. He'll get back to you quickly to let you know if he can do it. (Note that I also had him add the ECO Start On/Off upgrade, so I no longer need to turn ECO off every time I start the car. SO worth it!)
Assuming your car is eligible, Vladimir will send you an OBD2 plug, a MicroSD card reader, and a MicroSD card for each upgrade(s) you buy. He must have a guy in Canada, because the package showed up within a few days via DHL from Ontario. Simply pop open the OBD2 plug, insert the MicroSD card, and plug it into the OBD socket under the steering wheel (you need your ignition set to ON, meaning hit the Start button twice without your foot on the brake). Wait about 4 minutes for the upgrade to install, and that's basically it!
I had some problems getting my Multibeam upgrade to work, so Vladimir and I went back and forth for about a week, with him sending me new update files daily to load onto the MicroSD card. My guess is that he hadn't worked on a 2020 GLC 43 before, so he was figuring it out with me as a guinea pig. We ended up trying several iterations of the upgrade until one finally worked. If you have a 2020 GLC 43 you most likely will not have to go through this trouble. I only mention it because it shows that Vladimir was super responsive and made sure that the job got done. As others have said, he is the real deal!
I love my new multibeams! After driving around in the dark with my brights on for nearly two hours last night, not a single car flashed me to say 'your brights are on'. And you could visibly see the box of darkness the headlights were casting on the cars I was following, so light didn't hit their rearview mirrors. Plus, street signs didn't reflect back at me with the power of the sun. It really works!
Sorry for the length of this post, but I'm super pumped about this. PM me with any questions!
1) Does your MBUX have the additional Light menus (Intell. Light System & Low-beam Headlamps) now?
2) Was your issue after initial coding, the high beams not automatically switching even though the icon is shown in the instrument cluster?
Thank you, just trying to figure this out for my vehicle.
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I can't let this uninformed opinion lie. The argument of "if it were so great we would have it" is completely ignorant. The reason we don't have it (yet) is because of antiquated headlight laws in the US that do not allow for Multibeam (aka ADB) lights. Specifically, FMVSS 108, which was passed in 1987. The main gist of it is that your low and high beams cannot be on at the same time -- something that ADB safely does. That's it. Just an old law that hasn't been adapted to modern technology.
Luckily, the NHTSA agreed in 2018 to review this law, but as with anything, it is stuck in red tape and bureaucracy. It will be on our shores eventually, so to say it isn't better technology (it is), or "we don't need it" (are cars different here? Is darkness less dark here?) is pants on fire false. Please don't make broad claims you haven't researched.
Luckily, the NHTSA agreed in 2018 to review this law, but as with anything, it is stuck in red tape and bureaucracy. It will be on our shores eventually, so to say it isn't better technology (it is), or "we don't need it" (are cars different here? Is darkness less dark here?) is pants on fire false. Please don't make broad claims you haven't researched.
What else does Vlads OBDII device do?
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Originally Posted by redsly;[url=tel:8871852
8871852[/url]]Couple of questions for you...
1) Does your MBUX have the additional Light menus (Intell. Light System & Low-beam Headlamps) now?
2) Was your issue after initial coding, the high beams not automatically switching even though the icon is shown in the instrument cluster?
Thank you, just trying to figure this out for my vehicle.
1) Does your MBUX have the additional Light menus (Intell. Light System & Low-beam Headlamps) now?
2) Was your issue after initial coding, the high beams not automatically switching even though the icon is shown in the instrument cluster?
Thank you, just trying to figure this out for my vehicle.
2) No. The lights always switched between normal and bright, but the brights didn’t have the intelligent multi-beam enabled until after I had Vlad do it for me.
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1) I don’t think so? I looked in the Settings menu but didn’t see anything. I may not have looked in the right place. All I know is if I leave the headlights in Auto the multi-beam turns on when the brights go on.
2) No. The lights always switched between normal and bright, but the brights didn’t have the intelligent multi-beam enabled until after I had Vlad do it for me.
2) No. The lights always switched between normal and bright, but the brights didn’t have the intelligent multi-beam enabled until after I had Vlad do it for me.
I'm doing this on my own and wasn't sure if the menu was required. They show it displayed in the 'operator's menu' animation (video). Glad that's not actually needed!
My lights now do active stuff on low, but my auto high-beam no longer switches on the 'brights' like it did before the VeDoc change (-608 +628) and SCN coding.
Here's a poor picture of the video playing in my mbux display (I assume it's there for other regions)
Picture of video playing in mbux, not my actual menu
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Thank you!
I'm doing this on my own and wasn't sure if the menu was required. They show it displayed in the 'operator's menu' animation (video). Glad that's not actually needed!
My lights now do active stuff on low, but my auto high-beam no longer switches on the 'brights' like it did before the VeDoc change (-608 +628) and SCN coding.
I'm doing this on my own and wasn't sure if the menu was required. They show it displayed in the 'operator's menu' animation (video). Glad that's not actually needed!
My lights now do active stuff on low, but my auto high-beam no longer switches on the 'brights' like it did before the VeDoc change (-608 +628) and SCN coding.
