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Old 08-18-2018, 10:30 PM
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Sweetheart of a new powertrain!

As I said in my previous post, the new inline 6 powertrain is something to look forward to. Read this glowing Car and Driver (Sep 2018) review of the new CLS, which should share virtually the same engines with the GLE450 & GLE53. This is going to be worth waiting for!!

"The refiring of its new 3.0-liter inline-six, which goes virtually unnoticed in stop-start operation, is likely the Mercedes-Benz CLS450'S most endearing quality. Yet the seamlessness of this most casual of operations is but a prelude to the engine's full performance. It is a sweetheart of a thing: part fluid, intuitive response; part effortless motivator of steel and aluminum. Some cars have reactors under their hoods. Some simply have engines. This one has a just-right selection of bits that move in facile unity to get you where you want to go. We're not idle flatterers of every new engine, but this one - this return to six in a row for Mercedes is something genuinely special.

The electrified mill [see "Meet the New Six: Mercedes' M256"] delivers follow-your-foot response from just off idle to deep into its midrange. The torque mesa rises at an early 1600 rpm and doesn't descend until 4000. But even at its 6250- rpm redline, the new powerplant sings the creamy harmonies of inline-six balance. Peaking at 362 horsepower, it's not a power monger-those who need more can opt for the 429-hp AMG CLS53-but coupled to its nine-speed automatic transmission and 4MATIC all-wheel drive, the six provides sufficient gas-electric shove to allow the CLS450 to reach 60 mph in 4.7 seconds and bust through the quarter-mile in 13.2 seconds at 107 mph. That's 0.3 and 0.4 second quicker, respectively, than the 2018 E400 4MATIC coupe we recently tested, which was fitted with Benz's 329-hp twin-turbo 3.0-liter V-6."

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Meet the New Six: Mercedes' M256

From September 2018 Car & Driver. This is about the CLS & E, but will apply equally to the W167 GLE:

"It's been 19 years since Mercedes sold an inline-six in the United States. but that ends with the introduction of the 3.0-liter M256 found in the 362-hp CLS450 and the 429-hp AMG CLS53. The M256 will also appear across the
E-C1ass line and in the AMG GT53 4-Door. Inline-sixes are smoother than V-6s and Mercedes knows this. but manufacturing efficiencies are the biggest factors behind the switch. Because the M256 is part of an engine family
that shares the position of its transmission mounting flange, those engines can be mounted in the same position in various models, saving manufacturing costs.

Both Mercedes' and AMG's versions of the engine use a twin-scroll turbo and are assisted by a 2l-hp, 184-lb-ft motor-generator, which supplies power to and receives it from a 48-volt electrical system. The motor, housed between
the engine and transmission, adds motive force to the powertrain, recharges the battery via regenerative braking, and restarts the engine while sailing and after stop-start events. A O.9-kWh battery stores the juice for both versions
of the engine. The higher-power M256 adds an electric supercharger capable of 6.6 pounds of boost downstream of the turbo. With the electric compressor handling transient-response duties, Mercedes optimized the turbo on the
AMG engine for power at higher engine speeds.

Undersquare dimensions-an 83.0-mm bore and 92.4-mm stroke-coupled with 90.0-mm bore-center spacing produce a relatively short length for a 3.0-liter inline-six. Both variants use an electric water pump and A/Ccompressor,
eliminating the need for an accessory drive, which further shortens the engine to accommodate the added length of the motor-generator. The inline package also saves cost by substantially reducing the total parts count."


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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon View Post
From September 2018 Car & Driver. This is about the CLS & E, but will apply equally to the W167 GLE:

"It's been 19 years since Mercedes sold an inline-six in the United States. but that ends with the introduction of the 3.0-liter M256 found in the 362-hp CLS450 and the 429-hp AMG CLS53. The M256 will also appear across the
E-C1ass line and in the AMG GT53 4-Door. Inline-sixes are smoother than V-6s and Mercedes knows this. but manufacturing efficiencies are the biggest factors behind the switch. Because the M256 is part of an engine family
that shares the position of its transmission mounting flange, those engines can be mounted in the same position in various models, saving manufacturing costs.

Both Mercedes' and AMG's versions of the engine use a twin-scroll turbo and are assisted by a 2l-hp, 184-lb-ft motor-generator, which supplies power to and receives it from a 48-volt electrical system. The motor, housed between
the engine and transmission, adds motive force to the powertrain, recharges the battery via regenerative braking, and restarts the engine while sailing and after stop-start events. A O.9-kWh battery stores the juice for both versions
of the engine. The higher-power M256 adds an electric supercharger capable of 6.6 pounds of boost downstream of the turbo. With the electric compressor handling transient-response duties, Mercedes optimized the turbo on the
AMG engine for power at higher engine speeds.

Undersquare dimensions-an 83.0-mm bore and 92.4-mm stroke-coupled with 90.0-mm bore-center spacing produce a relatively short length for a 3.0-liter inline-six. Both variants use an electric water pump and A/Ccompressor,
eliminating the need for an accessory drive, which further shortens the engine to accommodate the added length of the motor-generator. The inline package also saves cost by substantially reducing the total parts count."

Do you have a link to this article or was it only on the printed version?
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Do you have a link to this article or was it only on the printed version?
I did not find it online yesterday. This is from hard copy.
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Do you have a link to this article or was it only on the printed version?
Heres an article from March that looks similar to me!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/ni...des-inline-six

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Heres an article from March that looks similar to me!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/ni...des-inline-six

See also my post #141 that linked to this article.

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Nothing new here, and less literate than the car mags, but we're desperate!

https://www.popularmechanics.com/car...engine-return/


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Oh how exciting! I can't wait to see it in the flesh. I would love to swap back into a GLE as my new GLS500 is way too big for my requirements, but I only bought it because I really wanted the non-AMG 4.7 litre V8 which was no longer available in the GLE (GLE500/550).

So, if anybody at Mercedes-Benz is listening .... please please bring back the GLE500/550 with the non-AMG V8, even if it's the newer 4.0 litre engine. I'm not a fan of diesel, and I don't want all that AMG madness of a GLE63s, it's just too noisy & aggressive for me, and even in comfort mode it's still a very loud and crazy machine! I just want a nice smooth and quiet V8 for towing and driving satisfaction that the non-AMG V8's seem to provide, and with the Off-Road Engineering Package that you also can't get in a GLE63s.

I know I sound like a broken record, as I've mentioned this numerous times in different threads/posts over the last couple of years. And, I know the days of V8's are dying quickly, but there's still so much demand for the AMG V8's obviously. Why can't they still produce the non-AMG ones?
I just traded in my 2018 GLE 63 AMG for a new 2018 GLE 400. My commute is 45 minutes each way and mostly bumper to bumper traffic. Hoping for better fuel economy and less maintenance on tires and brakes. I get the truck next week.
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Old 08-23-2018, 09:41 AM
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I just traded in my 2018 GLE 63 AMG for a new 2018 GLE 400. My commute is 45 minutes each way and mostly bumper to bumper traffic. Hoping for better fuel economy and less maintenance on tires and brakes. I get the truck next week.
The configurator doesn't show a GLE 400 for 2018, only 2019. Just GLE 350 for 2018, Was there a 2018 GLE 400>
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The configurator doesn't show a GLE 400 for 2018, only 2019. Just GLE 350 for 2018, Was there a 2018 GLE 400>
I was going to ask the same question. There's the GLE350/GLE350 4Matic/GLE43/GLE63/GLE63S and the GLE550E Plugin Hybrid
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The configurator doesn't show a GLE 400 for 2018, only 2019. Just GLE 350 for 2018, Was there a 2018 GLE 400>
No. At least not state side.
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No. At least not state side.
According to the photos of his current GLE, he lives in the US.
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According to the photos of his current GLE, he lives in the US.
And the plot thickens....
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And the plot thickens....
He probably meant GLE350.
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He probably meant GLE350.

For 2019 there is a GLE400, But my dealer has been trying to order me one without success -- the order bank isn't open. They are making them though -- maybe he bought a 2019 GLE 400 off the dealer's lot?
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For 2019 there is a GLE400, But my dealer has been trying to order me one without success -- the order bank isn't open. They are making them though -- maybe he bought a 2019 GLE 400 off the dealer's lot?
His post said he's trading a 2018 GLE 63 for a 2018 GLE 400. But he could have meant a 2019 GLE 400.
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According to the photos of his current GLE, he lives in the US.
Looks like pic posted by 'Nataschagle63' in the AMG GLE thread shows a GLE 63 Coupe with Ontario plates.
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Looks like pic posted by 'Nataschagle63' in the AMG GLE thread shows a GLE 63 Coupe with Ontario plates.
Ah. thanks. I thought it was a US plate, but I expanded it and believe you're correct. And a quick check of MB Canada shows there is indeed a GLE 400 for 2018.
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I just traded in my 2018 GLE 63 AMG for a new 2018 GLE 400. My commute is 45 minutes each way and mostly bumper to bumper traffic. Hoping for better fuel economy and less maintenance on tires and brakes. I get the truck next week.
Hey storm10 , thanks for your feedback. Wow, that's a massive downgrade for you. So how's that going? I guess you're already saving heaps on fuel and in the future will save more on running/service costs?! Either way I'm sure you're really missing theV8!

We no longer have a GLE400 here in Aus, or 500 as per my original winge, but the 400 we did have before it was discontinued around 2 years ago was basically just an updated version of the ML/GLE350 V6 petrol (gas) but with a bi-turbo added. It didn't sell well, just like the 500, so I guess that's why MBAuP removed it from our range.

I am quickly realising that my V8 loving days are becoming a thing of the past, unless I want to go AMG and spend heaps more $$$$. Perhaps I'll reach that midlife crisis soon too and buy one. Never say never as they say!

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Ah. thanks. I thought it was a US plate, but I expanded it and believe you're correct. And a quick check of MB Canada shows there is indeed a GLE 400 for 2018.
Mystery solved.
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That got weird, we need more meat soon. How long until the release? If it’s the Paris Motor Show that means we have 1 1/2 months to wait. I was thinking the AMG GLE 53 but read that won’t be released for about a year.
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That got weird, we need more meat soon. How long until the release? If itís the Paris Motor Show that means we have 1 1/2 months to wait. I was thinking the AMG GLE 53 but read that wonít be released for about a year.
info should come out before official show start, so more like 5 weeks Iím thinking.
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It’s semi official. British-Car Magazine lists the Mercedes vehicles slotted for the Paris Auto Show October 4-14. Interesting that the EQ C will also be there. Tesla is getting a lot of competition in the next year.

MERCEDES-BENZ
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Unconfirmed, but we reckon the middling-strength hot hatch is due too
B-class World debut for more upright, sensible A-class clone
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EQ C Important one this: the new electric SUV lands at Paris motor show



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