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I'm thinking of buying a new GLE but am waiting for more high output engines.
Not sure I will do 63 this time around since my 2018 E63S is a bit harsh for our roads. So am choosing between 53 and 580.
53 has the AMG badge and bodywork which I like. But the 580 is likely faster. The Dealer Ordering Guide is quoting a 0-60 time of 4.9 on the 580 and I've read rumors it is more like 5.3 on the GLE53. Plus above 60 the V8 will be more compelling.
But will the 580 have the nicer interiors and finishes of the AMG models? Nappa leather, alcantara headliner, wider tires, sport exhaust etc.
I'm thinking of buying a new GLE but am waiting for more high output engines.
Not sure I will do 63 this time around since my 2018 E63S is a bit harsh for our roads. So am choosing between 53 and 580.
53 has the AMG badge and bodywork which I like. But the 580 is likely faster. The Dealer Ordering Guide is quoting a 0-60 time of 4.9 on the 580 and I've read rumors it is more like 5.3 on the GLE53. Plus above 60 the V8 will be more compelling.
But will the 580 have the nicer interiors and finishes of the AMG models? Nappa leather, alcantara headliner, wider tires, sport exhaust etc.
Any thoughts?
If performances are really important, I would wait for the GLE 580 or maybe looking somewhere else.
2 thinghs disappointed me with the GLE 450, fuel economy and performances.
I recently did a pretty long test drive of the GLE 450, is not slow, but since I'm used to a 510 hp range sport v8, that makes the 0-60 mph in 4.5 seconds or less, I felt that the engine still lacks something. The V8 should be fine but probably still slower than my range sport. First, because of th 20-25 hp less, second because of the better weight distribution on the land rover (the range sport has a weight distribution of 50/50, the gle around 54/46). Weight distribution is very important for acceleration, just look to the porsche 911.
I m also waiting to test drive the new aviator with +450hp and crazy 800 lb ft of torque.
I'm thinking of buying a new GLE but am waiting for more high output engines.
Not sure I will do 63 this time around since my 2018 E63S is a bit harsh for our roads. So am choosing between 53 and 580.
53 has the AMG badge and bodywork which I like. But the 580 is likely faster. The Dealer Ordering Guide is quoting a 0-60 time of 4.9 on the 580 and I've read rumors it is more like 5.3 on the GLE53. Plus above 60 the V8 will be more compelling.
But will the 580 have the nicer interiors and finishes of the AMG models? Nappa leather, alcantara headliner, wider tires, sport exhaust etc.
Any thoughts?
There are a few key considerations.
Factory numbers are for 580/53 the following: HP (w/o EQ Boost) - 483/429; Torque - 516/384; 0-60 - 4.9/5.2, so 580 is faster, but not by a huge margin. V8 should sound better. 53 will get better mileage.
The 580 is not a true AMG model, so interior and other options are pretty much the same as the lower models, except you can get the 22" wheels.
The 53 is AMG-badged (body & brakes), and gets round quad exhaust, and also the 22" wheels as a choice. The interior shown so far has red accents: seatbelts, piping and steering wheel marker.
The 580 has Airmatic standard, with E-ABC as an expensive option. The GLE will have Airmatic with Active Ride Control. This may be the best sport suspension with active roll control (a further development of the Active Curve I had on my '12 ML); less expensive and complicated than E-ABC. There are a few other AMG-specific things like MBUX settings with the 53.
Timing may be a factor. Rumor is that the 580 is a short-term model until the 63 comes out, then it will go away (much like the '19 GLE 400 was a stopgap until the '20 GLE 450 came out). 580 is scheduled for Q4 this year and 53 sometime next year (as well as the 63, I assume)
Factory numbers are for 580/53 the following: HP (w/o EQ Boost) - 483/429; Torque - 516/384; 0-60 - 4.9/5.2, so 580 is faster, but not by a huge margin. V8 should sound better. 53 will get better mileage.
The 580 is not a true AMG model, so interior and other options are pretty much the same as the lower models, except you can get the 22" wheels.
The 53 is AMG-badged (body & brakes), and gets round quad exhaust, and also the 22" wheels as a choice. The interior shown so far has red accents: seatbelts, piping and steering wheel marker.
The 580 has Airmatic standard, with E-ABC as an expensive option. The GLE will have Airmatic with Active Ride Control. This may be the best sport suspension with active roll control (a further development of the Active Curve I had on my '12 ML); less expensive and
complicated than E-ABC. There are a few other AMG-specific things like MBUX settings with the 53.
Timing may be a factor. Rumor is that the 580 is a short-term model until the 63 comes out, then it will go away (much like the '19 GLE 400 was a stopgap until the '20 GLE 450 came out). 580 is scheduled for Q4 this year and 53 sometime next year (as well as the 63, I assume)
Sounds like you get the 63 Engine without sacrificing some of the comfort (sport seats vs non sport seats) with the 580. Minus the styling, better tuned engine, and more ideal suspension. And sorry for going off topic comparing to the 63 which seems more apropos. My question is does the 580 command a premium down the road (no pun intended) due to its limited production release? Any thoughts on that from the veterans (looking at you Greg)?
Sounds like you get the 63 Engine without sacrificing some of the comfort (sport seats vs non sport seats) with the 580. Minus the styling, better tuned engine, and more ideal suspension. And sorry for going off topic comparing to the 63 which seems more apropos.
Well, the 580 is a V8 but nowhere near the individually-built 63 version, which will have another 100 hp or more. And the E-ABC suspension is another $8,200, and it really has comfort as its strong point, not all out sportiness. If you want a V8 that is more comfort-oriented, it might be the ticket. I think the suspension in the 53 will be sportier without a severe AMG comfort penalty. The 580 will not have the cachet of an AMG model.
My question is does the 580 command a premium down the road (no pun intended) due to its limited production release? Any thoughts on that from the veterans (looking at you Greg)?
I am not an expert at used Mercedes prices. My guess is it will probably hold value a little better than the 450, but not as well as an AMG.
Last edited by GregW / Oregon; 06-08-2019 at 07:39 PM.
As to the suspension, AMG ride control is really only useful on the track and offers more fine tuning than the standard Dynamic Select. No one is going to track his SUV. I prefer the higher displacement biturbo V8 over the supercharged turbo in-line 6 because I believe that’s running an engine at lower compression leads to greater longevity. Other than appearance trims and weight savings on the six cylinder, they will both be great cars with plenty of power for daily driving. Both V8 and L6 engines are buttery smooth.
As to the suspension, AMG ride control is really only useful on the track and offers more fine tuning than the standard Dynamic Select. No one is going to track his SUV.
I disagree with this. Active Ride Control manages vehicle roll in typical driving situations without the penalty imposed by stiffer antiroll bars. It's of less benefit on the freeway, but in any curvy road driving it would be a nice feature. As I said, I had the previous version called Active Curve on my non-AMG '12 ML 350 and liked it a lot. The new one driven by the 48 volt system has got to be even better.
"Total stabilization: AMG ACTIVE RIDE CONTROL
Redeveloped in Affalterbach, AMG ACTIVE RIDE CONTROL based on AIRMATIC forms the basis of a driving experience characterized by a high level of agility, neutral cornering behavior and optimal traction. A new feature makes a significant contribution to the AMG-specific tuning for high levels of driving dynamics: the active roll stabilization with two electro-mechanical actuators working independently of one another on the front and rear axle, as well as fully variable torque distribution.
Not only does the system reduce rolling movements when cornering, it also enables more precise tuning of cornering and load changes. In addition, it increases driving comfort when driving straight ahead. Movements in the body can be actively and optimally adjusted to driving conditions."
Last edited by GregW / Oregon; 06-09-2019 at 02:43 PM.
I am thinking switching order to 580 now, since there is no word when the 450 will arrive. If the 580 will be deliver end of the year I think is worth it.
My anticipated August delivery is now into September. With all the delays I’m not too hopeful. If it’s pushed into October I’ll wait for the 580.
Originally Posted by tery
I am thinking switching order to 580 now, since there is no word when the 450 will arrive. If the 580 will be deliver end of the year I think is worth it.
Unfortunately, I don't think this applies to the US, but Daimler press release 8.29.19 (US can't be far behind): "Mercedes-AMG GLE 53 4MATIC+ available at dealers from November: Powerful SUV trendsetter can now be ordered"
Unfortunately, I don't think this applies to the US, but Daimler press release 8.29.19 (US can't be far behind): "Mercedes-AMG GLE 53 4MATIC+ available at dealers from November: Powerful SUV trendsetter can now be ordered"
06-07-2019, 11:31 PM
