jpm5150

Hi there,
I'm considering a GLE Coupe, but, would prefer a 450 vs AMG. Is there a non AMG version of the GLE Couple coming out for 2021 or are they only offering the two AMG models? I dont see anything mentioned on MBUSA future model page.

Thanks, Jeff

mercedesmax

GLE coupe is only offered in AMG model in the US

places

If it's not a 63 it's a non-AMG. All good.

petee1997

Since you don’t like the modern Mercedes vehicles, you denigrate practically everything about them. You should go on the treads of the vehicles you own and drive. There, you could offer real life opinions. You know nothing about the new GLE or the new AMG models being offered. You are too negative for me and I would hazard a guess, for most people here.

threeMBs

Since I have both W166 '15 ML63 and W166 '19 GLE43, I am able to compare (keep in mind that W166 GLE is superior to the equivalent version of W166 ML in every regard) apples vs. apples (or rather apples vs. oranges), I agree with places. W167 GLE53/GLE63 will have the same apples vs. oranges feel as W166 GLE43/GLE63 had.

Ron.s

As far as I can tell I Will have the same setup On my GLE 53 as the 63S except for a positrac rear end and the big motor. Why is it going to feel different? Maybe in a drag race but then the AMG is slower than several other cars. I thought about the 63 but can’t live with the fuel range on trips. Also there is no place to use the power anymore. Is this more of an ego thing?

places

Just stating the truth. You have options.

threeMBs

Well with W167 (unlike W166) you can make, by checking enough boxes, 53 to look very close to 63, especially inside (was not possible with W166), but the difference of $30K when equally equipped gets you much more than just the engine. Actually W167 63 at extra $30K is an even better deal than W166 63 at $35K extra was, when similarly equipped, especially considering an even wider gap in performance envelope.

Ron.s

Just curious what else you get besides engine and limited slip differential. The Dynamic Plus Package has the larger brakes, Track Pace, AMG steering wheel, AMG Active Ride Control. The transmission and E Boost are the same. Same wheel options... The 6 with the EBoost and Electric Turbo has a great bottom end with no Turbo Lag like the prior Gen 63’s. Good Torque, wide power band but I still prefer a V8. If the V8 in the 580 was available in the AMG I would have ordered one. IMO the new 63S engine is overkill but everyone in Vegas & Hollywood will need one. You might try a test drive in the new 6 it’s night and day better than the 43. It pulls hard, more like a V8 than a 6 & will test a lot of older 8’s. Mercedes has the throttle too linear to be a drag racer but a chip tune or full tune will change that for $500-$2000.

joejones81

I second this and think the forum administrator should consider taking some action to make this forum a more pleasant exchange of thoughts and ideas. I am a very active member on the GLS X167 and GLE V167 forums over the past year and have seen a lot of rude posts provided by “places” and have directly messaged him in the past to see if he could tone it down for the good of the forum as a whole.

threeMBs

I agree that with AMG Dynamic Plus option on 53 you get W167's 63 goodies that one could not get with previous W166(except for Active Curve). However, there is still $30K difference that can not be attributed only to the engine. For W166 there was $35K price difference (that is with Active Curve option checked for 43) and there was a lot of difference in how those cars drove/handled/stopped, none of which were attributable to the engine.

Judgement if W167 GLE53 is a true AMG lies not in how it performs vs. W166 GLE43, but in how it performs vs. W167 GLE63S. If relative comparison of W166 will hold (W166 GLE43 is absolutely NOT an AMG), then it will be the same for W167.

Ron.s

The 63S has more standard equipment making up some of the difference. Compare the Specs and I think you’ll find there isn’t any other difference in the drive train/suspension. I went through this comparison and also with the Dealer SA. Maybe we missed something or there will be something else when they show up. I test drove several 43’s and compared to our Audi & the GLE450 they are a dog. Even the prior Gen 63 seemed to have a lot more Turbo lag than our SQ5. Granted test drives are nothing like long term ownership...

Ron.s

I just did a build on both 53 & 63S equipped the same. There is less than $24k difference-most or all of that is probably the engine and limited slip differential.

earlvolfan

Yep, no non-AMG GLE Coupes are available in the US. I think that MB misses the boat here with females. I have a ‘20 GLE 350, but my wife loved the shape of the coupe, but didn’t want a car that looked and sounded like a hot rod!

We were able to finally find her a silver metallic ‘18 GLE 43 with a regular beige interior, which is very hard to come by. She still has the throaty acceleration exhaust sounds, but at least it doesn’t look like a street rod!

js_cls

I'm always surprised that MB doesn't make a regular 350/450 GLE "coupe" Seems like they're missing out on the X6 40i and Q8 market by not offering a lower cost to entry on an ever growing class of cars.

threeMBs

What the 43's test drive revealed is the issue that effected the whole W166 line up, including 63s (ML & GLE) - significant throttle delay. Once I purchased W166 43 (early last summer when W167 450 was already out) I installed SprintBooster (have it on '15 ML63 and have/had it on most other MBs). Since all my MB vehicles in last 7 years, except for one (well two now) were V8s, I needed more. A simple Dinan piggyback did the job. My 43 now is far from being a "dog".

Edit: missed SQ5 reference. The competitor to SQ5 is GLC43 in both size and weight (not GLE43 as it is larger and much heavier than Audi). And of course GLC43 will run away from SQ5 while running circles around it. GLC43 also looks much better in/out and feels much more upscale, IMHO.

Yes did more diligent "build" and the difference came to $26K. Agree, this will cover the engine and LSD. However, since I never drove W167 53/63 but did (and still do) W166 43/63, it is still remains to be seen if W167 53 is an AMG, because W166 43 (and similarly 43 in C, E, etc.) really is not. In my opinion, and it is only my opinion, the significant power deficiency (especially lack of torque per gross weight) will still prevent 53 from being one.

Ron.s

We must have used a different list of options because I came up with $2k less than you by adding the features included on the 63S. The engine, limited slip rear end and Carbon Fibre engine shield can’t be added. So I get back to the opinion that the 2020 GLE 53 is not a true AMG. The naysayers keep moving the Goalposts on the definition of an AMG. Mercedes says the GLE 53 is an AMG and except for power they can be nearly identically configured to a 63S. So now it’s Torque that makes an AMG? If you haven’t driven the 53 then how can you form an opinion on its lack of Torque? Trust me it will have great Torque stock. Add a tune and you are over 500HP if that’s important to us.
To me it’s more of an Ego thing that only the most expensive model can be called an AMG. A very small % of 63S buyers may take advantage of the power but most buy it for other reasons. It just comes across as “snooty“ when people criticize a very popular vehicle because it’s not the most expensive one. It would carry more weight if the non AMG comments had specific logic for the criticism.
I spent much of my youth modding toys like Boats, Dirt Bikes Snowmobiles and OHV’s. I put a Turbo on Chevy Gas truck in the late 90’s before any gas engines had them & have tuned several vehicles in the last few years. IMO, suspension/handling trumps HP in most cases. Torque has its place in a drag race or towing but not normally in day to day driving. The GLE 450 is very nice and adding 50HP will only make the 53 better.
I stand by my original position that the engine in the 63S has power that won’t be used by most buyers and the poor economy/fuel range are as much a negative as the increased power. It’s very handy to be able to travel 400-500 miles without looking for a gas station. The 63S is the ultimate but why does that diminish the 53?

threeMBs

It does not. If that's how I came across, then I'm sorry. However, there are a number of people (me included) on these boards who believe that by adding "AMG" at the back of 43s (now 53s) it only diminishes AMG's cache (I said the same regarding MB's approach when they put $20somethingK C230 hatchback with cloth funny pattern seats next to S500s in early 2000s). The fact that 53 is way better than your former 450 is unquestionable and am sure you will enjoy it tremendously.

Ron.s

I can see your point on a base entry level 53 and also understand the prestige factor....that’s what sells Lambo’s, Bentley, etc. As a practical matter most people will only notice the exclusive interior higher quality or unique features. The economics of switching to an electric platform along with higher and higher development costs are going to increase single platforms for more cars and far less Unique models. Personally a car is just another Appliance although I want it to be nice. Every two to three years there is something better.

Germancar1

I guess they're trying to keep the GLE Coupe more exclusive, but in today's SUV crazy climate I think they should take advantage the situation and offer a GLE 450 Coupe at least, but then again GLE sales are sky high so there may be no need to offer any more variants to U.S. buyers right now.

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Huncowboy

I might have missed it, but I guess there is still no AMG steering wheel with the AMG package for 2022. Right? I also don't see the 3D HUD.

mercedesmax

There is an AMG Interior pkg for the GLE 350/450. That gets you the steering wheel.
3D instruments were never offered.

GregW / Oregon