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Update to my quoted post from 2 weeks ago. My wife called me this afternoon to report that she was pulled over on the side of the road after the GLE threw a bunch of warning messages/lights (she recalls them being about the 48V battery, coolant level, etc.) and started to slow before eventually coming to a stop - fortunately she was on a secondary road and was able to get into the breakdown lane. She called her service advisor and got her VM - the service advisor called her back shortly thereafter and while on the phone with her, my wife was able to restart the GLE and got it to the dealer with only the CEL on. I'll wait to see what the diagnosis is this time before contacting MB corporate, but NOW I'm beginning to have regrets...told my wife to start thinking about what she might want to replace it with
The 350 doesn't have the 48 volt battery gremlin and if you give it a chance, has plenty of power.
The 350 doesn't have the 48 volt battery gremlin and if you give it a chance, has plenty of power.
We did test drive the 350, but my wife was coming from a ML350 Bluetec with 450 lb ft of torque, which made the 350 feel sluggish by comparison (not to knock that engine at all...just a matter of perspective).
Not trying to deter anyone from buying the GLE 450 and just sharing our [unfortunate] experience with it so far in reply to the OP's question.
How long did it take from the time you ordered through the dealer for you to receive the car?
I’m hoping to order when they start taking orders for the 2022’s. One dealer said it could take a total of 6 months for delivery?
also- was yours built in Finland?
QUOTE=bkushner;8292392]I had a 2020 GLE450 with no issues and I just took delivery of a 2021 a month ago and so far so good...Don't let the issues deter you. It's a small percentage.[/QUOTE]
How long did it take from the time you ordered through the dealer for you to receive the car?
I’m hoping to order when they start taking orders for the 2022’s. One dealer said it could take a total of 6 months for delivery?
also- was yours built in Finland?
QUOTE=bkushner;8292392]I had a 2020 GLE450 with no issues and I just took delivery of a 2021 a month ago and so far so good...Don't let the issues deter you. It's a small percentage.
I was planning on getting a 2021 GLE 580, but will likely wait to order a 2022 since there is a 4 month wait for the build using options we want. I asked various dealers for the cutoff date for 2021, and they said likely the last 2021 orders (Southern CA) will only be accepted through April with a delivery in November/December, We're coming out of a low mileage 2013 ML550, and have been very pleased with reliability and performance, but it's time to freshen things up. The best deals I've seen on 2021s on the lots have been about 1-2% off MSRP, but no surprise in this unicorn model. Not likely to see any deals on a special order 2022.
Is the resale higher on 2019 GLE/GLSs? I’ve seen crazy resale values on the 2020s. They seem to be listed for barely a discount from new, now getting on two years old with 12-15k miles in the New York area.
Yes, it's interesting. 2019 GLE prices have remained higher than 2020 GLE prices, and 2021 prices are dropping faster than previous model years. Peak to -15% for 2021 GLE happened faster than on any of the charted models. Lots of potential reasons why the data look as they do.
Yes, it's interesting. 2019 GLE prices have remained higher than 2020 GLE prices, and 2021 prices are dropping faster than previous model years. Peak to -15% for 2021 GLE happened faster than on any of the charted models. Lots of potential reasons why the data look as they do.
Source: cargurus
I suspect the quality issues are starting to catch up to values. Also, a chunk of buybacks are likely weighing down the price averages as these are generally sold at steep discounts the second round.
There are many factors that affect prices. Most 2021 , 2020 models would be mostly base vehicles being sold from daily rental fleets. 2019 models would be better equipped cars off lease or trade ins. N
There are many factors that affect prices. Most 2021 , 2020 models would be mostly base vehicles being sold from daily rental fleets. 2019 models would be better equipped cars off lease or trade ins. N
Possible, but how likely is option content affecting the data in the chart?
At no time did the ‘16, ‘17 or ‘18 model year exceed the later model years’ prices in the chart. The only time this happened was when ‘19 prices exceeded ‘20 prices. A more plausible conclusion, in my view, in normal situations would be the all-new platform model would be more desirable and command a higher price than the outgoing older-tech platform. That is not present the case for the GLE.
Why are ‘21 prices dropping more sharply than prior year introductions on the chart?
I suspect the quality issues are starting to catch up to values.
But then why would the yellow line (2020 GLE) be relatively stable? Presumably any quality issues would apply equally to 2020 and 2021 - arguably worse for 2020 as a brand new model roll out and all the challenges that entails?
Also the 2021 line starts off at above $90-$95K or so which is at the very high end of GLE pricing [way higher than any previous model year's peak price], so you would expect it to go down to a more "average" GLE price as more cars are available?
Yes, it's interesting. 2019 GLE prices have remained higher than 2020 GLE prices, and 2021 prices are dropping faster than previous model years. Peak to -15% for 2021 GLE happened faster than on any of the charted models. Lots of potential reasons why the data look as they do.
Source: cargurus
Can you tell us what that chart is? Is it asking prices, sold prices, and how does it know the equipment on the cars?
Early on (last year) Cargurus showed GLE450 & 580 asking and selling prices approximately 110 - 112% of sticker. Does this chart just show that the cars are selling at sticker price? Or does it just show that there are more 350's selling now than 580's?
I have never seen a chart like that on Cargurus, that compares various years. Can you describe your search on Cargurus so we can duplicate it?
Until we know what that chart is, nobody can say what it's telling us.
Thanks. It will be good to know other ways to navigate Cargurus.
Can you tell us what that chart is? Is it asking prices, sold prices, and how does it know the equipment on the cars?
Early on (last year) Cargurus showed GLE450 & 580 asking and selling prices approximately 110 - 112% of sticker. Does this chart just show that the cars are selling at sticker price? Or does it just show that there are more 350's selling now than 580's?
I have never seen a chart like that on Cargurus, that compares various years. Can you describe your search on Cargurus so we can duplicate it?
Until we know what that chart is, nobody can say what it's telling us.
Thanks. It will be good to know other ways to navigate Cargurus.
Thanks. That'll give me something to cogitate and fool around with.
At first glance, it looks more like Model Mix of sold cars may have more influence than brand. And of course we know that demand has picked up across the industry.
How did you get the chart to break out and graph multiple years, and can you separate GLE 350 from 450 from 580 etc.?
Edit: Oh I found it - https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-...cedes-Benz-m43
Edit 2: It looks like model mix has more to do than anything else since you can't break out 350 - 450 - 580 etc. It COULD mean that people are selling their 350's and 450 owners are holding on to theirs.
Fun facts.
@mikapen I don't see on the CarGurus site where model designation (350 vs 450 vs 580) or option content data exists. Did you find it?
One thing that stands out for me in the charts is that there is notable price separation between the first model year for a new platform, and the preceding year, for the X5 and Cayenne, but not for the GLE. For example 2018 to 2019 for X5 and Cayenne, and 2019 to 2020 for the GLE.
@mikapen I don't see on the CarGurus site where model designation (350 vs 450 vs 580) or option content data exists. Did you find it?
One thing that stands out for me in the charts is that there is notable price separation between the first model year for a new platform, and the preceding year, for the X5 and Cayenne, but not for the GLE. For example 2018 to 2019 for X5 and Cayenne, and 2019 to 2020 for the GLE.
No that's as far as I could drill down.
Good information and nice charts. I still wonder about the source of their data, and the model mix on sales or resales. I know Cargurus summarizes data on asking prices, but I don't think they can verify selling prices, as yet another unknown.
Based on these forums and my experience with my ML 350 bluetec (was in the shop often and just through the recall - but that $3200 won't pay me back for the money I've spent). The 2016 GLE has been flawless. Waiting for this class to get sorted. Even my service manager suggests waiting until after Covid. Love the brand, they need to retool to maintain their lead.
I'm not doubting the resale charts (well, I kind of am based on anexcdotal evidence, I'll explain later), however a possible explanation:
The '19 and '21 GLEs had a lot more AMGs. YThe 2019 GLE400 was built for a very short time, and very few "nice" ones were built because customers who would special order a top spec one had orders for '20s already. I believe the '19 was only built from Sepcetmber or October of 2018 to about December, at least for the US msrket 400. Meanwhile, they continued production of the 43s and 63s for much longer, which of course are much more expensive, both new and second hand.
Same goes for the '21s. A possible reason the price looks so high and then drops off quickly is because at the beginning they only made and sold 53s and 63s alongside 2020 350s and 450s. I believe they started the AMGs in early summer (May?) whereas the 2021 350s and 450s didn't show up until August or September if I remember correctly.
Obviously this is completly anecdotal, but at my local dealership I've seen pre owned GLEs selling for crazy prices. There''s currently a 2020 350, 13.5k miles, 06/2019 build, 59K origional sticker listed for 56k. And that's not out of the ordinary. They had a very early build 85k GLE450 (almost every option except it had Airmatic instead of E-ABC) with 17k miles that was listed for 75k and sold within the day. I also saw at a local Kia dealership a 12/18 built very early GLE450 (one of the ones with no active park assist but with the Active Lane Keep that never became an officially available option) with 1,600 miles, it was a MB buyback for a fuel pump issue, and it was also being sold at about 10K under sticker (I think origional MSRP 63, listed for 53K.) Again, very anecdotal, but in the NY area this seems to be the norm.
Meanwhile I havent seen many '19s locally but the AMGs have been more like 20K less then new (75K-80K GLE43 listed for 55-60) and 2018 GLE350s seem to be 35-40K.
So, completly anecdotal, but 1-2 year old GLE350s and 450s with 12-15 thousand miles in the NY area seem to still be selling above what the NEW invoice price would hae been.
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