shotgun_banjo

I have a GLA 250 and it is running like a champ (knock on wood). I guess we just need to roll the dice and hope for the best. There is a used GLS450 with 8k on the motor but it sits on a non-MB dealer and has no more factory warranty on it. If only that vehicle is in a MB dealer my problem is solved.

TexAg91

if you drive in eco mode, the vehicle starts from a stop in second gear vice first, and the start stop feature is less abrupt. Not as smooth as the 450, but better. Also, I have 20000 miles on mine now and the start stop feature has smoothed out in comfort too. I always drive under my profile, and my wife drives under hers, that helps too because the system learns your style -- how hard/fast you hit the accelerator. Also, I like to drive with the HUD, and she drives with the HUD off. Using the profiles remembers your settings: radio settings (equalizer settings and presets), seat memory settings, climate settings, color of interior lights, mirrors, etc.

GregW / Oregon

One more thing to be aware of is with the 3rd row option, since the spare is deleted, you get run flats in the 20" size and a TireFit kit with the 21s. I take it you live in Canada (add to your profile)? If you need Winter tires the 20" wheels would be good to that if you upgrade to 21s later.

shotgun_banjo

I was thinking of that as well as I will be buying a winter setup later on. In here we don't get run flats with the 3rd row option. We get a tire fill and small pump which I prefer.

shotgun_banjo

I also have a feeling the new C300 engine will be on the GLE350 on the mild facelift for 2023 so no matter what it will be hybrids everywhere.

GregW / Oregon

I tend to doubt that - pretty big change for a mid-cycle update.

W205C43PFL

Maybe, question is will it be the M254 first appeared on the W206 C 300 or the M264 instead with this 48V system.

In Europe, the facelift E-Class sedan/coupe/convertible gets both E 300 and E 350 so you can choose to have either mild-hybrid or just ICE only. Facelift E-Class sedan/coupe/convertibe in North America unfortunately only gets E 350 but then at least it isn't mild-hybrid. Really not sure what MBUSA will decide to bring over this time for the GLE.

The mystery remains, I don't understand why MB decides to put a new M254 in the W206 C-Class when they only first introduced the M264 on a 2019 C 300 and GLE 350 for North America, so still fairly new engine. From my understanding, MB's decision to share engines between C-Class and E-Class is not uncommon. The pre-facelift E-Class sedan/coupe/convertible with the E 300 had the same M274 as the pre-facelift C 300 for example.

W205C43PFL

To clarify, I meant only E 350 as in 4-banger version in North America, I am aware of the existence of the E 450, E 53, E 63s... Sorry about the confusion.

chassis

Was the M256 in E53 for facelift W213 a big change?

How does the M256/E53 in W213 facelift compare with a potential M254 (4-banger with EQ Boost) in V167 facelift?

Or how does M17x in W222 facelift compare with potential M254 in V167 facelift?

W205C43PFL

Removed. Sorry, didn't notice the question specifically asks between facelift and pre-facelift E 53.

js_cls

There is no difference in pre-facelift and post-facelift E53 powertrain's I believe, 450's mainly saw the bigger change in the jump from V6 to I6.

chassis

Was an E53 with M256 inline 6 available pre-facelift W213?

Lucky 777

I have had the same experience.

js_cls

Yes, the 53 pre and post-facelift was only the M256. The 43 before it was the V6.

chassis

Yes the 43 was the M276 3.0 TT V6.

Did the E53 exist pre-W213 facelift? Did the E53 ever use an engine besides the M256 I-6?

W205C43PFL

Yes and No. Respectively.

Edit: Wait... didn't forum member js_cls already answered that in a previous post ?

js_cls

Yes, it was introduced as a 2019 model for the US as a replacement for the E43. It has used the same M256 I6 with 48v technology in both pre and post-facelifted models.

chassis

Thanks! MB introduced the M256 powertrain in the W213 facelift.

How much different would it be, based on the W213 precedent, for MB to introduce the M254 four banger with 48V EQ Boost powertrain on the 167 facelift?

Another example for reference is the M17x powertrain introduction into the late W222 refresh.

js_cls

Technically yes and no, the E53 had the M256 before the MY21 facelift. Here is the full history of the M256 in Regular and AMG formats.

chassis

Thanks, it’s agreed that MB introduced the M256 on W213 in mid stream, correct? M256 was not offered on day 1 for W213, right?

js_cls

Yes, mid stream would be a good way to put it.