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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 09:13 PM
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Here’s info from a recent News feed…Because Section 24212 of H.R. 3684 — known to you and I as The Infrastructure Bill — passed on Monday, makes provisions for “adaptive driving beam headlamps.” Caught by The Drive, and visible in the plain text version of the document, it reads as follows:
SEC. 24212. HEADLAMPS.

(a) Definitions. — In this section:
(1) Adaptive driving beam headlamp. — The term “adaptive driving beam headlamp’’ means a headlamp (as defined in Standard 108) that meets the performance requirements specified in SAE International Standard J3069, published on June 30, 2016.
(2) Standard 108. — The term “Standard 108'’ means Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard Number 108, contained in section 571.108 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations (as in effect on the date of enactment of this Act).


(b) Rulemaking. — Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall issue a final rule amending Standard 108 —
(1) to include performance-based standards for vehicle headlamp systems —
(A) to ensure that headlights are correctly aimed on the road; and
(B) requiring those systems to be tested on-vehicle to account for headlight height and lighting performance; and
(2) to allow for the use on vehicles of adaptive driving beam headlamp systems.

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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron.s
Here’s info from a recent News feed…Because Section 24212 of H.R. 3684 — known to you and I as The Infrastructure Bill — passed on Monday, makes provisions for “adaptive driving beam headlamps.” Caught by The Drive, and visible in the plain text version of the document, it reads as follows:
SEC. 24212. HEADLAMPS.

(a) Definitions. — In this section:
(1) Adaptive driving beam headlamp. — The term “adaptive driving beam headlamp’’ means a headlamp (as defined in Standard 108) that meets the performance requirements specified in SAE International Standard J3069, published on June 30, 2016.
(2) Standard 108. — The term “Standard 108'’ means Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard Number 108, contained in section 571.108 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations (as in effect on the date of enactment of this Act).


(b) Rulemaking. — Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall issue a final rule amending Standard 108 —
(1) to include performance-based standards for vehicle headlamp systems —
(A) to ensure that headlights are correctly aimed on the road; and
(B) requiring those systems to be tested on-vehicle to account for headlight height and lighting performance; and
(2) to allow for the use on vehicles of adaptive driving beam headlamp systems.
I saw that, although it appears to still be two years away from being allowed. When it is, I wonder if Mercedes will offer to reprogram the adaptive lights sold on US vehicles to make them fully functional?
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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 10:35 PM
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Given how long the wait is, honestly customers should just take matters into their own hands and enable it by using that OBD module. All US cars (as far as I remembered) has the hardware required for it and just need it enabled in the software to get the functionality that European market MBs been enjoying all this time.
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Old Nov 16, 2021 | 11:12 PM
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I saw that, although it appears to still be two years away from being allowed. When it is, I wonder if Mercedes will offer to reprogram the adaptive lights sold on US vehicles to make them fully functional?
I saw it too, and hoped that the automakers lobby for early rule-making. (Which usually takes a couple of years, anyway).
I'd guess that there would be a significant savings by not having to meet US standards, as I think we're the only market that has our ancient headlight rules.
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
Given how long the wait is, honestly customers should just take matters into their own hands and enable it by using that OBD module. All US cars (as far as I remembered) has the hardware required for it and just need it enabled in the software to get the functionality that European market MBs been enjoying all this time.
We don’t have the cornering light hardware, though.
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 07:10 AM
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We don’t have the cornering light hardware, though.
I’m not sure about all GLE’s but mine with the upgraded LED headlights does “bend the light” without physically moving the headlight unit. It looks like there is lighting available at something like + or - 20…30 degrees left & right. At startup Mercedes has designed a “dancing” routine with the lights showing that capability. As I recall that feature is mentioned in the unlock package from the two vendors selling the unlock headlight feature.
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
We don’t have the cornering light hardware, though.
Interesting, I thought all GLEs with the exterior lighting package ($900 USD) option should have the cornering functionality. Even if there is a case where for some reason it doesn't have it, if you have adaptive highbeam assist, the module will still be able to work to enable the adaptive highbeam assist plus (that European cars have). Hopefully your car does actually have it.

Originally Posted by Ron.s
I’m not sure about all GLE’s but mine with the upgraded LED headlights does “bend the light” without physically moving the headlight unit. It looks like there is lighting available at something like + or - 20…30 degrees left & right. At startup Mercedes has designed a “dancing” routine with the lights showing that capability. As I recall that feature is mentioned in the unlock package from the two vendors selling the unlock headlight feature.
I see, perhaps they do all have it after all, hopefully.
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Ron.s
I’m not sure about all GLE’s but mine with the upgraded LED headlights does “bend the light” without physically moving the headlight unit. It looks like there is lighting available at something like + or - 20…30 degrees left & right. At startup Mercedes has designed a “dancing” routine with the lights showing that capability. As I recall that feature is mentioned in the unlock package from the two vendors selling the unlock headlight feature.
I will have to check more closely, but I have never noticed corner lighting on mine with the same headlights. The lack of the physical separate corning light within the housing was discussed in this post and those related to it: https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post8255087

This is where the cornering light is missing in the North American models:


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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
I will have to check more closely, but I have never noticed corner lighting on mine with the same headlights. The lack of the physical separate corning light within the housing was discussed in this post and those related to it: https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post8255087

This is where the cornering light is missing in the North American models:

I see, thanks for the link to that thread. In that case, I guess good news and bad news. Bad news is that it does not light up the sides or curb (since there is a hardware limitation) when you slow down to turn but good news is it is still likely you can still retrofit highbeam assist plus with the OBD module and have most of the European cars' functionality.
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
I will have to check more closely, but I have never noticed corner lighting on mine with the same headlights. The lack of the physical separate corning light within the housing was discussed in this post and those related to it: https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...ml#post8255087

This is where the cornering light is missing in the North American models:

I clearly remember that conversation. did we ever determine that is in fact a filler? i don't remember anyone finding anything different on a European model.
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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 02:35 PM
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I clearly remember that conversation. did we ever determine that is in fact a filler? i don't remember anyone finding anything different on a European model.
It is. The US headlight assembly adds the orange reflector on the side, deleted the cornering light section and covered it with a filler. ROW headlight assembly deletes the orange reflector and adds cornering.

I read somewhere that the cornering light is mounted "too high" for the GLE while perfectly fine on say the A-class or C-class. Surprisingly, it wasn't too high on my parent's X3 (G01, 2018-up) either. Previous generations had their cornering lights enabled by the fog lights which are mounted way lower, but more recently auto manufacturers (european ones especially) combined it as part of the headlight assembly.

The X3 G01 has both fog lights AND cornering lights, and they all can turn on simultaneously, and that's not even the top-of-the-line optional headlight feature. See diagram below.

And the fog light in addition to the headlight:



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Old Nov 17, 2021 | 08:02 PM
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This video doesn’t show the need for reflectors for Cornering lights. As I interpret the Video there are lights that illuminate the roadside on curves. Maybe there is an advanced function for a more severe 90 degree corner as in the city?
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Originally Posted by Ron.s
This video doesn’t show the need for reflectors for Cornering lights. As I interpret the Video there are lights that illuminate the roadside on curves. Maybe there is an advanced function for a more severe 90 degree corner as in the city?
I believe there are 2 "type" of cornering lights.
One is at high speed, where the main beam moves from left to right, or for those with multibeam LED, with additional LED activated that aimed at the corner.
On low speed or near roundabout, the main beam doesn't move (or activate additional LEDs), but instead, an additional light (the one you point out a few post ago where the "filler" is) activate, which is aimed at near 90 degree angles.

Personally, after having the car for 2 years, I don't think both is active in US. I do have the "activator" for the adaptive high beam enabled, but I don't think I ever see the high speed cornering light being activated (we definitely don't have the low speed one)
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This was the hardest thing to get used to after coming from an Audi Q7. The Q7 had great cornering lights, and the first night in the GLE was painful turning into a narrow driveway with a drop off on each side.
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Originally Posted by zengshengliu
I believe there are 2 "type" of cornering lights.
One is at high speed, where the main beam moves from left to right, or for those with multibeam LED, with additional LED activated that aimed at the corner.
On low speed or near roundabout, the main beam doesn't move (or activate additional LEDs), but instead, an additional light (the one you point out a few post ago where the "filler" is) activate, which is aimed at near 90 degree angles.

Personally, after having the car for 2 years, I don't think both is active in US. I do have the "activator" for the adaptive high beam enabled, but I don't think I ever see the high speed cornering light being activated (we definitely don't have the low speed one)

On mine, the high speed works on low beam only. It is subtle.
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This was the hardest thing to get used to after coming from an Audi Q7. The Q7 had great cornering lights, and the first night in the GLE was painful turning into a narrow driveway with a drop off on each side.
This v167 is the first Mercedes I've had that doesn't have that low speed cornering light. Our 2019 GLC with the upgraded lighting has it, for instance.

Will turning on the fog lights serve that function?

I know it's another step, but I hear you about driveways with drop offs.
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On mine, the high speed works on low beam only. It is subtle.
That could explain it. Since I have the adaptive high beam enabled, it might "prevent" the high speed cornering light from working (as it is not needed?)
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That could explain it. Since I have the adaptive high beam enabled, it might "prevent" the high speed cornering light from working (as it is not needed?)
Same here, and that's my experience. On high beams, all the LED's are already on, so nothing else to switch on to provide a cornering effect.
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Here’s info from a recent News feed…Because Section 24212 of H.R. 3684 — known to you and I as The Infrastructure Bill — passed on Monday, makes provisions for “adaptive driving beam headlamps.” Caught by The Drive, and visible in the plain text version of the document, it reads as follows:
SEC. 24212. HEADLAMPS.

(a) Definitions. — In this section:
(1) Adaptive driving beam headlamp. — The term “adaptive driving beam headlamp’’ means a headlamp (as defined in Standard 108) that meets the performance requirements specified in SAE International Standard J3069, published on June 30, 2016.
(2) Standard 108. — The term “Standard 108'’ means Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard Number 108, contained in section 571.108 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations (as in effect on the date of enactment of this Act).


(b) Rulemaking. — Not later than 2 years after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall issue a final rule amending Standard 108 —
(1) to include performance-based standards for vehicle headlamp systems —
(A) to ensure that headlights are correctly aimed on the road; and
(B) requiring those systems to be tested on-vehicle to account for headlight height and lighting performance; and
(2) to allow for the use on vehicles of adaptive driving beam headlamp systems.
Just read this today!

"Adaptive headlights finally legal in US with Biden's infrastructure bill signed into law"
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Just read this today!

"Adaptive headlights finally legal in US with Biden's infrastructure bill signed into law"
Well, after the Bureaucrats finish writing the rules.
Who knows - the Sealed Beam Headlight Lobby may be more powerful than we expect. I hope not, but history might intervene.
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Originally Posted by royal1262
Just read this today!

"Adaptive headlights finally legal in US with Biden's infrastructure bill signed into law"
Typical Fake News…while it’s almost accurate, it’s also misleading…since the bill doesn’t approve Adaptive Headlights but effectively instructs that the standard (in Section 108) be modified within 2 years to approve them. Just another headline looking for eyeballs to support the way journalists earn money today, IMO.
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