Soo many problems...ugh
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Where did anybody say it was poorly tolerated? It just doesn't negate the issues that others are having, the issue is you post it like it somehow makes their issues imaginary or explains them away.
When someone is sick, do you go up to them and say "Well, I feel great"?
What you need to get away from is taking it personally that people have issues with a model of car that you own and are satisfied with.
When someone is sick, do you go up to them and say "Well, I feel great"?
What you need to get away from is taking it personally that people have issues with a model of car that you own and are satisfied with.
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I can tell you with 100% confidence that if you had problems you would feel the same way they do. I know that because I've posted on a forum as someone who loved their car and was irritated with people who were constantly complaining, until I started having problems and then I understood where they were coming from and became one of those other people. When you have a car that you otherwise enjoy that is just constantly broken in some way you get bitter quick.
You never answer my question "when someone is sick do you tell them "Well, I feel great"". You don't answer because the answer is obviously no, such an answer would be callous and rude. Well, telling someone who is having problems with their car "My car is great" and then continually pointing out "most people don't have problems" is callous and rude.
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This is a description of a strawman argument which is common on the internet, this site and in this thread.
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I can tell you when you post about problems and are frustrated, people posting like he and you (especially you) have posted here absolutely comes across like you are trying to tamp down or explain away one's problems. If you can ask others to avoid feeling a certain way about certain posts, why can't you do the same thing? If you don't have anything to say that helps someone who is having problems, why even respond in their thread? (this thread is a little different).
I can tell you with 100% confidence that if you had problems you would feel the same way they do. I know that because I've posted on a forum as someone who loved their car and was irritated with people who were constantly complaining, until I started having problems and then I understood where they were coming from and became one of those other people. When you have a car that you otherwise enjoy that is just constantly broken in some way you get bitter quick.
You never answer my question "when someone is sick do you tell them "Well, I feel great"". You don't answer because the answer is obviously no, such an answer would be callous and rude. Well, telling someone who is having problems with their car "My car is great" and then continually pointing out "most people don't have problems" is callous and rude.
I can tell you with 100% confidence that if you had problems you would feel the same way they do. I know that because I've posted on a forum as someone who loved their car and was irritated with people who were constantly complaining, until I started having problems and then I understood where they were coming from and became one of those other people. When you have a car that you otherwise enjoy that is just constantly broken in some way you get bitter quick.
You never answer my question "when someone is sick do you tell them "Well, I feel great"". You don't answer because the answer is obviously no, such an answer would be callous and rude. Well, telling someone who is having problems with their car "My car is great" and then continually pointing out "most people don't have problems" is callous and rude.
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Why would people who are happy with their car and dont have any problems need love and support?
How extending sympathy for people who are having problems offends those who have no problems is beyond me... When someone tells your friend they are sorry they are sick, do you say "Hey, what about those of us who aren't sick?"
How extending sympathy for people who are having problems offends those who have no problems is beyond me... When someone tells your friend they are sorry they are sick, do you say "Hey, what about those of us who aren't sick?"
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This thread was about people who have problems with their cars and how the OP felt sorry for them. You felt the need to make it an "us vs them" by interjecting that "you and 99% of people have no problems" when you should have just ignored it because it wasn't about you. The tone and hostility of this thread is on you, not me.
If both sides don't start doing this, theyre going to have no choice but to start banning people, and both people with problems and people without problems are going to get banned.
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Then please explain why your comments about the car are even relevant? THIS is what happens a lot on this forum. People who don't own a GLE come on here and tell those of us who do how terrible the car is. Then you get butthurt when I don't validate your unfounded comments.
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Then please explain why your comments about the car are even relevant? THIS is what happens a lot on this forum. People who don't own a GLE come on here and tell those of us who do how terrible the car is. Then you get butthurt when I don't validate your unfounded comments.
Like it or not though, problems are real. This model clearly has some issues, that doesn't mean everybody has issues but I read a lot of forums and its pretty clear.
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Then please explain why your comments about the car are even relevant? THIS is what happens a lot on this forum. People who don't own a GLE come on here and tell those of us who do how terrible the car is. Then you get butthurt when I don't validate your unfounded comments.
If a roofer tells a homeowner the homeowner’s roof is leaking, but the roofer himself has no leaky roof and has never in his lifetime personally experienced his own leaky roof, is the leaky roof statement invalid?
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If the homeowner is saying "EVERY ROOF MADE BY ____ IS A LEAKY POS" then yes it would still be an invalid statement.
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There is ample evidence that the V167 GLE has some reliability issues that affect some owners, some of those owners are very angry and frustrated that they are saddled with such a vehicle. Just have a little compassion.
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For the folks that want to back the idea of this car is a great build, since many of you have technical background, don't you remember what they taught you in math? To prove something right, you need to prove it's right for every single one. To prove something wrong, you just need one. No? No one remembers this?
You really don't need everyone having issues to conclude this car has issues. Sure there are happy/ issue free owners, but for something at this level with that number of reported build/quality issues, it's beyond significant.
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You really don't need everyone having issues to conclude this car has issues. Sure there are happy/ issue free owners, but for something at this level with that number of reported build/quality issues, it's beyond significant.
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If there is evidence that there are common experiences with roofs made by ___ leaking, then saying that is not an invalid statement. It also would be completely normal for a frustrated homeowner to be angry that his roof is leaking and to make a charged statement like "this company makes a POS roof".
There is ample evidence that the V167 GLE has some reliability issues that affect some owners, some of those owners are very angry and frustrated that they are saddled with such a vehicle. Just have a little compassion.
There is ample evidence that the V167 GLE has some reliability issues that affect some owners, some of those owners are very angry and frustrated that they are saddled with such a vehicle. Just have a little compassion.
I'm just saying that technically it would indeed be an invalid statement, unless of course literally all roofs made by X were reported to leak.
Also, compassion runs thin after a certain point...
For the folks that want to back the idea of this car is a great build, since many of you have technical background, don't you remember what they taught you in math? To prove something right, you need to prove it's right for every single one. To prove something wrong, you just need one. No? No one remembers this? ![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
You really don't need everyone having issues to conclude this car has issues. Sure there are happy/ issue free owners, but for something at this level with that number of reported build/quality issues, it's beyond significant.
![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
You really don't need everyone having issues to conclude this car has issues. Sure there are happy/ issue free owners, but for something at this level with that number of reported build/quality issues, it's beyond significant.
I get the frustrations though, I really do, but after a certain point it just becomes annoying.
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Where did anybody say it was poorly tolerated? It just doesn't negate the issues that others are having, the issue is you post it like it somehow makes their issues imaginary or explains them away.
When someone is sick, do you go up to them and say "Well, I feel great"?
What you need to get away from is taking it personally that people have issues with a model of car that you own and are satisfied with.
When someone is sick, do you go up to them and say "Well, I feel great"?
What you need to get away from is taking it personally that people have issues with a model of car that you own and are satisfied with.
Immediate negative response for liking your car. The usual suspect(s).
@chassis comment about ad hominem responses is certainly true.
It's a recent change, over the last few months. The cars have been out for three years now. Something else changed.
Let's talk about the cars, please.
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QED.
Immediate negative response for liking your car. The usual suspect(s).
@chassis comment about ad hominem responses is certainly true.
It's a recent change, over the last few months. The cars have been out for three years now. Something else changed.
Immediate negative response for liking your car. The usual suspect(s).
@chassis comment about ad hominem responses is certainly true.
It's a recent change, over the last few months. The cars have been out for three years now. Something else changed.
Let's talk about the cars, please.
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Yes, I am, than k you. Read all my posts and see how it's done. Follow my example. You can do it.
Quit policing everybody's responses. Two is too many for any thread.
If you're looking for answers to questions you have, as you say, don't challenge their language or motives.
Just participate with an open mind.
Quit policing everybody's responses. Two is too many for any thread.
If you're looking for answers to questions you have, as you say, don't challenge their language or motives.
Just participate with an open mind.
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I have read all your posts lol.
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You conditioned your statement with the word “if”. Has your condition been met in this thread?
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Keep posting with that condescending attitude and see how it benefits the forum.
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To clarify whether the scenario above is a strawman argument or not, can you kindly please give a tangible example where a comment on this thread fulfills the conditions you gave?
You conditioned your statement with the word “if”. Has your condition been met in this thread?
You conditioned your statement with the word “if”. Has your condition been met in this thread?
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Maybe just skip every other post, and we'll start returning to civility. It's a start.
Here's your next chance.
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Mikapen, you spend a lot of time talking about other posters. You have a history of attacking, insulting and harassing people, especially if they have anything negative to say. We can all disagree, but no one should be insulted for sharing their opinions, good or bad. I think some people here misjudge you because a lot of your posts gets quickly deleted after they are reported. On any other enthusiast forum, you probably would have been banned a long time ago.
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Incorrect.