Will there be a new generation of the GLE?
10-30-2023, 04:04 PM
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Will there be a new generation of the GLE?
With the continued news of EV demand being practically non-existent, many of the major brands have or are beginning to turn away from committing their resources to it and instead rerouting all their efforts back into ICE / hybrid vehicles as is the case with Ford and GM as per their latest announcement. Toyota and Mercedes-Benz won't be far behind.
While it's no secret Mercedes-Benz has been working on a replacement to the V167 the moment they introduced it, the fact car manufacturers are finally opening their eyes in regard to the whole EV craze, leads me to believe MB will introduce a new generation of the GLE around 2026 if their 7-year cycle per platform continues.
Whatever happens in the near future, this is interesting read:
https://www.businessinsider.com/auto...orking-2023-10
While it's no secret Mercedes-Benz has been working on a replacement to the V167 the moment they introduced it, the fact car manufacturers are finally opening their eyes in regard to the whole EV craze, leads me to believe MB will introduce a new generation of the GLE around 2026 if their 7-year cycle per platform continues.
Whatever happens in the near future, this is interesting read:
https://www.businessinsider.com/auto...orking-2023-10
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The real problem is these auto "execs" are political appointees and they actually know very little about the industry as a whole. EV demand has slowed but it's far from "non-existent". Going from 100% growth to 50% year over year is a huge drop but that's still an AMAZING 50% (I'm thinking of XPeng right now not these guys, since I owned that stock). The problem is they're building ugly, buggy and technological intrusive cars nobody WANTS to buy. And nobody HAS to buy a $100K Mercedes.
10-30-2023, 05:53 PM
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Mercedes has just announced a Hybrid AMG GLE 53 which is set to come out in last part of 2025 as a 2026 model. This is puzzling because it seems way early to announce it and there is no real difference in styling accept for the lower front air dam. I'm interested to see if the the regular AMG GLE 53 model will still be available or if the Hybrid variant will be the ONLY way to get a GLE 53. This new Hybrid under the current body style makes me think it will awhile before a new redesign will be out. I could be wrong.
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At least 50% of current EV owners plan to buy an ICE for their next car. I’m not sure how Tesla factors into this mix because they have a higher customer following. There are a lot of headwinds facing EV adoption and pushing them out before they are ready only worsens the issues.
Resale on Porsche Taycans are at about a 50% haircut (2-3 years) at present according to my SA. He advises his EV clients to Lease for now. As the prices come down it might help the middle class buyer afford one since replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the car they will remain “disposable”. So how will the poorer class adopt to an EV priced above what they can afford and many with no reasonable charging options. Solid state, faster charging times, longer range, more infrastructure, cold weather degradation, 100% depreciation as batteries die, increasing costs, lack of Electrical capacity, rural America, etc…lots of hurdles to overcome.
Resale on Porsche Taycans are at about a 50% haircut (2-3 years) at present according to my SA. He advises his EV clients to Lease for now. As the prices come down it might help the middle class buyer afford one since replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the car they will remain “disposable”. So how will the poorer class adopt to an EV priced above what they can afford and many with no reasonable charging options. Solid state, faster charging times, longer range, more infrastructure, cold weather degradation, 100% depreciation as batteries die, increasing costs, lack of Electrical capacity, rural America, etc…lots of hurdles to overcome.
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At least 50% of current EV owners plan to buy an ICE for their next car. I’m not sure how Tesla factors into this mix because they have a higher customer following. There are a lot of headwinds facing EV adoption and pushing them out before they are ready only worsens the issues.
Resale on Porsche Taycans are at about a 50% haircut (2-3 years) at present according to my SA. He advises his EV clients to Lease for now. As the prices come down it might help the middle class buyer afford one since replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the car they will remain “disposable”. So how will the poorer class adopt to an EV priced above what they can afford and many with no reasonable charging options. Solid state, faster charging times, longer range, more infrastructure, cold weather degradation, 100% depreciation as batteries die, increasing costs, lack of Electrical capacity, rural America, etc…lots of hurdles to overcome.
Resale on Porsche Taycans are at about a 50% haircut (2-3 years) at present according to my SA. He advises his EV clients to Lease for now. As the prices come down it might help the middle class buyer afford one since replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the car they will remain “disposable”. So how will the poorer class adopt to an EV priced above what they can afford and many with no reasonable charging options. Solid state, faster charging times, longer range, more infrastructure, cold weather degradation, 100% depreciation as batteries die, increasing costs, lack of Electrical capacity, rural America, etc…lots of hurdles to overcome.
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While the continued news of EV demand being practically non-existent, many of the major brands have or are beginning to turn away from committing their resources to it and instead rerouting all their efforts back into ICE / hybrid vehicles as is the case with Ford and GM as per their latest announcement. Toyota and Mercedes-Benz will probably be not far behind.
While it is no secret Mercedes-Benz has been working on a replacement to the V167 the moment they introduced it, the fact car manufacturers are finally opening their eyes in regard to the whole EV craze, leads me to believe MB will introduce a new generation of the GLE around 2026 if their 7-year cycle per platform continues.
Whatever happens in the near future, this is interesting read:
https://www.businessinsider.com/auto...orking-2023-10
While it is no secret Mercedes-Benz has been working on a replacement to the V167 the moment they introduced it, the fact car manufacturers are finally opening their eyes in regard to the whole EV craze, leads me to believe MB will introduce a new generation of the GLE around 2026 if their 7-year cycle per platform continues.
Whatever happens in the near future, this is interesting read:
https://www.businessinsider.com/auto...orking-2023-10
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10-31-2023, 09:16 AM
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They can build all the EV's they want but can't force people to buy them. It's all a scam anyway since the vast majority of owners are charging their EV's from a grid powered by coal, oil, and natural gas.
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The EV revolution has been forced on the ICE manufacturers by the politicians. Unless the upcoming slate of regulations is eased or repealed companies like Mercedes will be forced to sell EV's even when the real demand isn't there. Given the costs of doing that, I don't know that the money would exist for an all new GLE. A reskin of the existing platform is most likely.
It is possible a new GLE may be just a reskin (inside and out), but I highly doubt it. The X5 series is outselling the GLE Class 3 to 1 and Mercedes-Benz surely is working on righting this. I do believe there will be a V/W16X.
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Mercedes has just announced a Hybrid AMG GLE 53 which is set to come out in last part of 2025 as a 2026 model. This is puzzling because it seems way early to announce it and there is no real difference in styling accept for the lower front air dam. I'm interested to see if the the regular AMG GLE 53 model will still be available or if the Hybrid variant will be the ONLY way to get a GLE 53. This new Hybrid under the current body style makes me think it will awhile before a new redesign will be out. I could be wrong.
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They can be forced to sell EVs until there's no tomorrow. They are not selling. Mercedes-Benz dealerships are refusing allocations as current inventory sits on the lot for many months. They don't sell even with deep pocket discount or incentives. We are just not ready here in the States for an "all EV" option by 2035. Some manufacturers like Toyota are making great headway on alternatives like hydrogen and ammonia and may abandon continued EV development when the government EVENTUALLY drops or at least ease their ridiculous mandate.
It is possible a new GLE may be just a reskin (inside and out), but I highly doubt it. The X5 series is outselling the GLE Class 3 to 1 and Mercedes-Benz surely is working on righting this. I do believe there will be a V/W16X.
*** I AM SPECULATING AS I HAVE NO CONCLUSIVE BASIS, OF COURSE ***
It is possible a new GLE may be just a reskin (inside and out), but I highly doubt it. The X5 series is outselling the GLE Class 3 to 1 and Mercedes-Benz surely is working on righting this. I do believe there will be a V/W16X.
*** I AM SPECULATING AS I HAVE NO CONCLUSIVE BASIS, OF COURSE ***
10-31-2023, 03:35 PM
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The GLE 53 Hybrid rides on 21-inch wheels with AMG brakes consisting of 400-mm front discs with six-piston calipers and 370-mm rear discs with single-piston calipers. Aside from the "Hybrid" badges, there are some subtle aero tweaks separating it from the conventionally powered variant. In addition, changes have been made to the MBUX infotainment system to reflect the newly gained hybrid setup.
Logic tells us the introduction of a GLE 53 Hybrid also means the new E53 is likely to benefit from the same PHEV setup. Perhaps the CLE 53 is also going to inherit this setup. Sadly, the CLS 53 is dead, along with the non-AMG versions as Mercedes is discontinuing the sleek sedan altogether.
Mercedes will have the 2026 GLE 53 Hybrid on sale in the United States later in 2025, which is quite far away considering we're still in 2023.
Logic tells us the introduction of a GLE 53 Hybrid also means the new E53 is likely to benefit from the same PHEV setup. Perhaps the CLE 53 is also going to inherit this setup. Sadly, the CLS 53 is dead, along with the non-AMG versions as Mercedes is discontinuing the sleek sedan altogether.
Mercedes will have the 2026 GLE 53 Hybrid on sale in the United States later in 2025, which is quite far away considering we're still in 2023.
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10-31-2023, 09:38 PM
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I'd imagine they would include rear wheel steering in the redesign as they did with the E.
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Despite all the promises to transition to EV's only, the GLE won't be going away anytime soon. I'll wager many of MB's other ICE models won't be discontinued, either. Not only has the EV market cooled considerably, but MB's EQ models have not been particularly well received. The lackluster exterior styling, the disappointing cargo/trunk space, the tech-focused interior ... there are plenty of reasons for traditional Benz owners to shy away from the EQ models, and not enough reasons to bring others to the brand. Don't expect the same level investment into ICE updates as in the past, however, and some body styles and low volume models will need to be phased out. There are challenging times ahead for all legacy automakers.
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They can be forced to sell EVs until there's no tomorrow. They are not selling. Mercedes-Benz dealerships are refusing allocations as current inventory sits on the lot for many months. They don't sell even with deep pocket discount or incentives. We are just not ready here in the States for an "all EV" option by 2035. Some manufacturers like Toyota are making great headway on alternatives like hydrogen and ammonia and may abandon continued EV development when the government EVENTUALLY drops or at least ease their ridiculous mandate.
It is possible a new GLE may be just a reskin (inside and out), but I highly doubt it. The X5 series is outselling the GLE Class 3 to 1 and Mercedes-Benz surely is working on righting this. I do believe there will be a V/W16X.
*** I AM SPECULATING AS I HAVE NO CONCLUSIVE BASIS, OF COURSE ***
It is possible a new GLE may be just a reskin (inside and out), but I highly doubt it. The X5 series is outselling the GLE Class 3 to 1 and Mercedes-Benz surely is working on righting this. I do believe there will be a V/W16X.
*** I AM SPECULATING AS I HAVE NO CONCLUSIVE BASIS, OF COURSE ***
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At least 50% of current EV owners plan to buy an ICE for their next car. I’m not sure how Tesla factors into this mix because they have a higher customer following. There are a lot of headwinds facing EV adoption and pushing them out before they are ready only worsens the issues.
Resale on Porsche Taycans are at about a 50% haircut (2-3 years) at present according to my SA. He advises his EV clients to Lease for now. As the prices come down it might help the middle class buyer afford one since replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the car they will remain “disposable”. So how will the poorer class adopt to an EV priced above what they can afford and many with no reasonable charging options. Solid state, faster charging times, longer range, more infrastructure, cold weather degradation, 100% depreciation as batteries die, increasing costs, lack of Electrical capacity, rural America, etc…lots of hurdles to overcome.
Resale on Porsche Taycans are at about a 50% haircut (2-3 years) at present according to my SA. He advises his EV clients to Lease for now. As the prices come down it might help the middle class buyer afford one since replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the car they will remain “disposable”. So how will the poorer class adopt to an EV priced above what they can afford and many with no reasonable charging options. Solid state, faster charging times, longer range, more infrastructure, cold weather degradation, 100% depreciation as batteries die, increasing costs, lack of Electrical capacity, rural America, etc…lots of hurdles to overcome.
You are right about one thing though, current EV’s here in the US are expensive. But that’s got more to do with the protectionist policies of the US government than anything else. But even then in SoCal, where I live, 30% or new cars sold are BEV’s. Not hybrids, pure EV’s. Over in Europe it’s like 20% and growing fast.
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At least 50% of current EV owners plan to buy an ICE for their next car. I’m not sure how Tesla factors into this mix because they have a higher customer following. There are a lot of headwinds facing EV adoption and pushing them out before they are ready only worsens the issues.
Resale on Porsche Taycans are at about a 50% haircut (2-3 years) at present according to my SA. He advises his EV clients to Lease for now. As the prices come down it might help the middle class buyer afford one since replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the car they will remain “disposable”. So how will the poorer class adopt to an EV priced above what they can afford and many with no reasonable charging options. Solid state, faster charging times, longer range, more infrastructure, cold weather degradation, 100% depreciation as batteries die, increasing costs, lack of Electrical capacity, rural America, etc…lots of hurdles to overcome.
Resale on Porsche Taycans are at about a 50% haircut (2-3 years) at present according to my SA. He advises his EV clients to Lease for now. As the prices come down it might help the middle class buyer afford one since replacement batteries will cost more than the value of the car they will remain “disposable”. So how will the poorer class adopt to an EV priced above what they can afford and many with no reasonable charging options. Solid state, faster charging times, longer range, more infrastructure, cold weather degradation, 100% depreciation as batteries die, increasing costs, lack of Electrical capacity, rural America, etc…lots of hurdles to overcome.
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You are right about one thing though, current EV’s here in the US are expensive. But that’s got more to do with the protectionist policies of the US government than anything else. But even then in SoCal, where I live, 30% or new cars sold are BEV’s. Not hybrids, pure EV’s. Over in Europe it’s like 20% and growing fast.
I'm really looking forward to trading in my Mercedes for a China-built Lotus Eletre. I'm sure the technology and build quality will be vastly superior.
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50%? Not the many fellow EV owners I call friends. Almost without exception we’re all car guys but once an EV owner, always an EV owner. One is into his 6th, most though are 1st time EV owners and simply will not go back to ICE for daily drivers. Why? Because the falsehoods you list are simply BS, or FUD was we call it, and EV’s are - wait for it - just way nicer to drive. They really are; smoother, quieter, cheaper to run. I have my GLE because it’s a great hauler and is excellent on road trips but it sits in the garage otherwise. As a car to drive my Polestar 2 is 100% better.
You are right about one thing though, current EV’s here in the US are expensive. But that’s got more to do with the protectionist policies of the US government than anything else. But even then in SoCal, where I live, 30% or new cars sold are BEV’s. Not hybrids, pure EV’s. Over in Europe it’s like 20% and growing fast.
You are right about one thing though, current EV’s here in the US are expensive. But that’s got more to do with the protectionist policies of the US government than anything else. But even then in SoCal, where I live, 30% or new cars sold are BEV’s. Not hybrids, pure EV’s. Over in Europe it’s like 20% and growing fast.
I was quoting my recollection of a recent news feed from AutoGuide:
“Just half of EV Owners are returning to EV’s”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/auto...12e0609e&ei=10
Here’s another quote from an SPGlobal survey in 2023:
https://www.spglobal.com/mobility/en...y-problem.html
To be fair there are lots of news feeds extolling the virtues of EV ownership and purchase intent but they don’t seem to be supported by facts. Exactly what part of my post is BS?
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The part about EV sales being way down. Yes, Elon and others ramped up production too fast at the wrong time and there's currently glut but the adoption rate is still phenomenal.
SOURCE: https://insideevs.com/news/692086/me...-sales-2023q3/
Mercedes-Benz Cars reports 510,600 global car sales during the third quarter of 2023 (down almost four percent year-over-year)...
Battery electric car (BEV) sales amounted to 61,600 (up 66 percent year-over-year), which appears to be a new record (a bit higher than in Q2). It also means that all-electric cars represent 12 percent of the total sales.
Battery electric car (BEV) sales amounted to 61,600 (up 66 percent year-over-year), which appears to be a new record (a bit higher than in Q2). It also means that all-electric cars represent 12 percent of the total sales.
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The part about EV sales being way down. Yes, Elon and others ramped up production too fast at the wrong time and there's currently glut but the adoption rate is still phenomenal.
SOURCE: https://insideevs.com/news/692086/me...-sales-2023q3/
SOURCE: https://insideevs.com/news/692086/me...-sales-2023q3/
Mary Barra -A political appointee?
China EV’s better quality?
Chinese EV lower priced? Check out the labor rates (UAW) vs Chinese labor!
Mercedes EV sales up form almost zero?
I call BS here….
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That's because I typically don't read past the first sentence you write. But I'm sorry for assuming you were trying to make a point instead of just argue aimlessly. Feel free to continue on without me.
One last point from me, however. The REAL reason people love EVs is you can charge them at HOME. That's also what the oil and gas racketeers hate the most and why they REALLY REALLY wanted us to adopt hydrogen instead.. to keep us sucking on their Shell(TM) teet.
One last point from me, however. The REAL reason people love EVs is you can charge them at HOME. That's also what the oil and gas racketeers hate the most and why they REALLY REALLY wanted us to adopt hydrogen instead.. to keep us sucking on their Shell(TM) teet.
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I won't pretend to know if Chinese EV's are better (I'll never know because I'll never own one), but I do know government subsidies are the reason they are so cheap. Manufacturer subsidies are so generous in China that many of the EV brands lose money on every car sold and yet they still turn a net profit. A neat trick, and a great way to eventually dominate an industry.
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