SW20S

I post on a lot of forums, there’s a difference. Not comparing to the Cayenne, I don’t know anything about Cayennes.

Case in point, compare the W222 forum and the W223 forum on here. Clearly there are issues with the 223 that were not present in the 222.

I also post on Lexus forums, not a lot of problems discussed.

Crito

Wow, I really like the new Cayenne interior. The cooled wireless charger is a really nice touch. Still not a fan of Porsche's exterior styling but it's not as hideous as the BMW XM anyways.

HDLBRG

Now I’m looking for fake exhaust tips....

SW20S

Believe it or not, those are real lol



Carnival Cruise = bad food surrounded by terrible people followed by death. I don't recommend lol

wildta

Facelifted GLEs have ventilated wireless phone chargers now.

SW20S

The ventilated phone charger is a must...

Tifrazvan

are you sure about this? just picked up my gle one week ago and my phone is heating like crazy in the wiress charger, i ended up buying a classic charger for it.

wildta

If you lift up the rubber pad and look underneath, the plastic appeared to be vented unlike pre-facelift. I don't know if any air is pushed to it or if it's just passive.

Tifrazvan

I tried finding some information about this online, nothing popped up..but I will definitely check and ask a friend with a non facelift to check on his car also. Thank you!

stktyz33

The phone does heat up, even with vented (passively?) rubber pad. The core of the problem on ALL vehicles with these pads I tried is that iPhones and other make the phone not to lay flat anymore by having these massive camera blocks. It leads to compatibility issues and excessive heat due to magnet misalignment. Practical data point - my iPhone 14 Pro doesn't actually "charge" on the mat. It barely keeps existing charge and after a few hours on long trip the phone gets hot enough to start turning the charging on/off to manage it.

Apple's "solution" to this was to introduce its own "MagSafe" that magnetically connects to the right point and raises/pushes the phone out from the surface. This "solution" doesn't work for Android user and requires rather specialized hardware to be integrated into chargers.

If I get tired of it at some point, I'll either 3d print a panel for Apple MagSafe that will fit into the same space and connect to one of the front USB-c charges. Alternatively, "vent-like" mounting is also an option. For now, I just accepted that the phone at least won't loose its charge and it's less of an evil for me than dealing with cables.

stktyz33

I went back and looked, it does appear that the videos and posts were referring to 958, so I got my wires crossed. Hopefully, 9Y0 doesn't have this issue

HDLBRG

Ouch! Excellent point. I posted them here because a member asked me to post the source of my comment. Note to self: Don’t ever post data from a study, period.

HDLBRG

- I agree, the XM is hideous IMO

- I have issues with the other BMW SAVs
-- Large rectangular screen crudley attached to the dash
-- Rear diffuser hangs down like a “loaded” diaper
-- Too many angles/shapes on rear body surfaces
- I sent BMW an e-mail with my comments -- they responded

- Although I am a happy MY21 GLE 450 owner, I think the Cayenne’s exterior styling is better looking....and, after test-driving a MY24 Cayenne, I thought it handled better than my 450 (both had standard suspensions).

HDLBRG

According to Best-Selling-Car (link below), the top selling MBs in 2023 were the GLE, GLC, GLS. I wonder if the sheer volume of those sales, compared to other MBs sold, contributes to the volume of complaints on MB forums; thus feeding the belief GLEs, GLSs have more issues. Does that sound plausible?

My MY21 GLE 450 is incredibly reliable; one of the reasons I'm considering an extended warranty so I can keep driving it under warranty for 3 more years. This will be a first for me. I’ve never kept a new vehicle past it’s OEM warranty, and I’ve owned a ton of new vehicles.

https://www.best-selling-cars.com/us...and_article=1#

Crito

Sure, it's the "common" complaints you might want to watch out for though. If, say, a lot of people are complaining about squeaky dash plastic and rattles in the seats, and you happen to notice the interiors of the GLC and EQE are almost identical, for example, you might want to stick with models that are still using the older style interior/seats.

HDLBRG

I’m now leaning toward trading my 2021 GLE 450 for a 580. I test-drove a 580 the other day and was really impressed with the “effortless strength” of the V-8. It seems like trading for more ICE HP is a step backward in the recent evolution of automobile innovation; however, it’s the only GLE I’m excited about buying.

How has your GLE 580 experience been so far?

vincheung

Our 580 has been fantastic, not sure how the 450 is but you will feel it at the gas pump with the 580 (i get 12 mpg in traffic, 15/16 locally, 24 highway). We were cross shopping the cayenne and GLE earlier and the value ultimately leaned 580. Personally, i've been loosely thinking about the possibility of going from the 580 to a 450e but the loss of value at trade in negates any savings.

wildta

My MPG experience is similar to @vincheung . MPG is abysmal when driving in city but I only drive 5k miles a year so I'm not that affected by the pump. I also a cross shopped with the Cayenne and E63 wagon. Originally I had my heart set on a wagon and 8 cylinders but the leg space wasn't great in the 2nd row of the E63 so I started looking at the GLE and then cross shopped it with the Cayenne. The Cayenne had similar legroom to the wagon and the GLE had great 2nd row legroom which was a deciding factor for me. Like Vincheung, I also thought the GLE was a better bang for your buck vs the Cayenne. In the process, I test drove MY21 Cayenne GTS, E63, GLE 53/63, 450 wagon, GLE 450/580, GLS 450. I settled with the 580 because I thought it was a good value, 8 cylinders made it a lot easier to push all that weight, and I ended up liking the quieter exhaust and understated sleeper SUV. The GLE 53 was a close second though.

I have E-ABC on mine and so now that isn't an option anymore, today I'd probably go with the GLE 53 with AMG Ride Control (ARC) for the added comfort. I recently had an EQS loaner with airmatic and acoustic glass and then an EQE AMG loaner with airmatic, ARC, 22" wheels and no acoustic glass. You would assume the EQS would be very comfortable because it's an S-Class but I wasn't impressed, I actually preferred my E-ABC - I had to check the tire pressure to make sure it wasn't overinflated because I couldn't believe it. With the EQE, I was blown away with the comfort due to the ARC. Airmatic and ARC is definitely better at soaking up smaller bumps than my E-ABC, while my E-ABC rode just as well as the EQS with airmatic over small bumps but makes big bumps disappear.

FYI, MY21 450 vs MY24 580 is about 1.5sec difference in the 0-60 figure. My MY20 580 vs MY24 580 went from 4.9sec to 4.3sec 0-60. The 0-60 of 3.1sec in the EQE AMG was a hoot, my daughter loved it, my wife not so much; and way more output than I need for my daily. For my needs, a 0-60 time of 4.5-5.0sec is plenty fast for my daily driver so I think a MY24 GLE 53 (0-60 in 4.6sec) with ARC would be my choice if I had to buy a car today.

HDLBRG

I’m waiting to test drive a GLE 450e; however, I can’t until they fix the one 450e they have in stock. I’m told they need to replace the big battery due to “electrical issues” -- that was several weeks ago. This is one of the reasons I’m considering buying another ICE vehicle like the 580 -- proven technology -- less complicated. In a previous post I wrote about my EQE 500 test drive where a “trunk alarm” beeped constantly and could not be silenced -- I believe that vehicle was down for an extended period as well. I’m concerned some auto manufacturers are jumping too quickly into the EV/Hybrid/PHEV space in order to meet customer demand without regard for reliability.

SW20S

The feel of the V8 elevates the car to a huge degree...

HDLBRG

This MBWorld 450e blog (see link below) is painful to read:

https://mbworld.org/forums/gle-class...y-limited.html

Ron.s

I have owned 3 V167 GLE's...a 2020 GLE 450, 2021 53 & current 2024 63S. Also had a 2023 cayenne GTS. I can truthfully say that all 4 had issues. My Cayenne at $150k price was repurchased by Porsche at exactly one year and they steped up to refund 100% of fhe price including PPF.
The options and the V8 make a big difference in either model for my taste. It really gets down to individual preference and how much you want to spend on either. Mercedes offers more budget friendly prices but not at the same quality as Porsche. The Porsche Cayenne is far more cofigureable than the GLE with some options overpriced. The Porsche Cayenne is built in Germany and it shows...
The GLE is better looking, roomier, has solid tech and decent performance for each engine class. My 2024 GLE seats are OK but nothing like the 14 way Club Leather in my Porsche. Lear didn't make the seats in my 2024...below average quality again. Bolsters are similar in both, about right. My 53 seats were worse quality. My GLE 63 (like my others) does not use oil like Porsche. The Porsche V8 varies at about 3-4 k per quart. The 2024 MBUX is less configurable than before but solid performance if you can ignore all of the start up notices and crappy menu structure. Porsche has better Tech with less drill down and a better presentation of useful info.
My 2024, with the new AMG transmission, (built in ISG) is jerky and the vehicle jumps when the engine cycles on/off.
All of the above listed vehicles spent too much time in the shop. My 24 is headed there soon. The only plus was the opportunity to drive different trim levels and models of each brand.

djgiovanni

Even so, they are still useless. Last week I had a '24 C-Class loaner with ventilated wireless charger, and it barely charged my phone (5% in 1 hour). Phone was pretty hot.
With Bluetooth and now wireless CarPlay, the charger barely puts a dent.

stktyz33

This. The ventilated charger on '24 GLE is the same. On longer trips, you can expect your charge level to remain about the same. If/when I have some time, I plan to explore integrating Apple's Magsafe on top of where existing wireless charger is.

Crito

Wireless Android Auto makes my Z-Flip leg-scorching hot. What use is a $1000 flip phone with wireless AA if I have to take it out of my pocket and plug it in? Grrr! So I can't blame the chargers. I'm just trying to use Waze and VLC not play PUBG in the fookin' car... apps are just too fat and bloated and full of "telemetry" s#$% these days. *sigh*