chassis

Does this mean the EQE does not have a frunk?

wildta

Correct and same as my loaner EQS.

Crito

Hood can be opened by anyone who can do a youtube search.

cometguy

Multiple-Porsche owner here. Never owned a Mercedes.
I'd been planning to buy the new 2024 Cayenne E-Hybrid (with 26-kWh battery pack) for a long time (it's still not out yet in the US due to chip issues), when I heard last October about the 2024 GLE 450e via a Kyle Conner electric-range-test video. I'd never considered Mercedes before because I just don't like how they look and have heard nothing but bad things about MB reliability. But that video showing 68 miles of all-electric range in city driving (< 40 mph) really caught my eye, along with the DC fast charging (unique to PHEVs on sale today). So that started months of my looking closely at the GLE 450e and doing about eight test drives (so far) at a half-dozen MB dealerships in my area.

Things that I like about the 450e over the E-Hybrid besides the better electric range and DC-fast-charging: (1) it's about $25k USD cheaper as I'd spec them both; (2) I like the track pad a lot; (3) I like the matte-black surfaces in the 450e (vs. fingerprint-prone, glare-prone "piano black" surfaces inside the Cayenne). Those are some very important things for me. Things I like better in the E-Hybrid over the 450e: (1) can option many more things (stuff I'd option are: infrared night-vision camera; all-metal roof; compass/clock on dashboard; heated windshield; can order no chrome on the exterior, including badging); (2) larger gas tank; (3) better appearance (to me, looks less like a minivan); (4) better stability at speed; (5) no fake exhaust tips; (6) drive-mode control dial on steering wheel; (7) much-better gear switcher (on dashboard instead of on a stalk coming out of the steering wheel); (8) can turn all exterior lights off when car is on (can't in the 450e); (9) can charge the traction battery via the ICE (as most PHEVs can do but the 450e cannot do -- great for long roadtrips when you want all-electric driving in stop-and-go traffic and can't charge from an outlet/charger); (10) classier-looking instrument panel and infotainment screen.

If they cost the same money to buy, it'd be a no-brainer for me. But the 450e is still in the running (by a thread) for me because of its being so much cheaper to buy.

HDLBRG

I read in another forum metallic paints hide imperfections better than non-metallic paints...and flat paints are more challenging to maintain and touch-up. I’ve had so many silver vehicles but I never get tired of the color. My current MY21 GLE 450 is silver as is my MY23 Ram Rebel, which is “Billet Silver”.

HDLBRG

Correct. It’s an “Electronics Bay” (according to the MB salesman); so no need for a consumer to open it for any reason....OK, maybe if it’s on fire....

HDLBRG

Regarding MB reliability: Here’s my one data point to consider. I’ve had my MY21 GLE 450 for 3.5 years. I’ve never had to take it in for service other than the first three oil changes/inspections. I’ve had two incidences of “minor rattles”, both solved during the oil changes. The first was a rattle in the solor sun shade when I went over large bumps -- MB added some foam stuffing -- problem solved. The second, was a muted rattle on small bumps at low speeds -- MB found a bad rear shock and replaced both -- problem solved. The only other Hiccups" have been 4-5 electronic faults that cleared on there own right away. This is why it is a difficult decision to leave MB -- very reliable; superb customer service; wonderful ride.

mikapen

Spend the money.
Don't buy a car you dislike.
You'll kick yourself every time you see the Mercedes in your garage. 😡

stktyz33

To echo the above, right money for a wrong car still get you the car you won't appreciate. Looking at your posts in some of the threads, it seems like you're comfortable with Porsche vehicles, which is likely more important in this process.

From my side, I was looking at X5, GLE and Cayenne, money did matter but wasn't a deciding factor. I'll spare this thread from X5 talk and focus on 2024 Cayenne...

1. The gear shifter, it's usable but Mercedes style was just better for me. After a decade of shifting at the center console, MB style shifter grew on me after just a few days of driving, it's intuitive and just works IMHO.
2. Interior buttons that weren't real buttons or even normal sensor panels. For whatever reason, somebody decided that making the whole blocks (areas with multiple buttons) move up and down was a good idea. It felt incredibly weird and cheap.
3. Infotainment system felt dated and reminded me some cheaper vanilla Android tablets, the one that used native design with no skins.
4. I learned from Rennlist users that they moved garage opener control to the infotainment system when it's more tricky to operate, it doesn't always automatically pop up, can't access it in reverse etc. It may seem like a small thing but my wife's approval factor would be affected severely by it. It's annoying for me too.
5. Comparable specs would end up about 15-20k more expensive than Mercedes vehicles.
6. Somewhat common complaint about water ingress into vehicle from clogged drains.

None of the items above are critical by any means but it just didn't feel like "my next car".

SW20S

That is absolutely the truth, buy what you actually want…otherwise it’s just going to cost you more in the long run when you get rid of what you bought as a compromise to get what you actually want.

HDLBRG

Or, you buy what you want and soon find out you got rid of what really made you happy. In high school I was dating this beautiful, mature brunette, then started also seeing this wild & crazy blonde I thought I wanted. The brunette found out; dropped me; left me with the blonde, whose craziness soon became “annoying.”

HDLBRG

1) I gotta ask, "Why Eight Test Drives?”
2) I don’t understand the aversion to “fake exhaust tips? It’s not like it’s an exotic sports car. I’m just happy not to have to clean exhaust residue off exposed pipes.
3) I don’t drive enough to worry about mileage; I don’t want a car that has a complicated power train (e.g., PHEV, EV, E-Hybrid...) -- My 450 with Mild-Hybrid is complicated enough and my other ride is a Hemi with no turbos or superchargers -- simple.

chassis

Agree, the MB Direct Select lever is good and it saves console space. Not sporty-looking though.

Lots of complaints about this. I don't disagree, although it doesn't bother me.

Lots of positive and negative comments about the PCM. BMW iDrive seems well-liked by many, MB COMAND was not liked by many, MBUX seems to have mixed reviews. Hard to please everyone with the UI.

Many complaints on this. To my knowlege HomeLink was changed back to physical buttons either under the mirror or in the overhead console.

Porsche is always more expensive than non-exotics (BMW, MB, Audi, JLR and Japanese brands) spec-for-spec.

I don't recall seeing this on Rennlist. Are you referring to 955/957 or 958?

HDLBRG

In a perfect world I would like both luxury and reliability in a vehicle. So far, my GLE 450 has been incredibly reliable. I did have two previous Porsches (Boxster S and Cayenne S) that were very reliable; however, I also had two Touaregs that were full of electronic gremlins. Not sure about the reliability of Cayennes today. I read recently Cayenne owners visit their dealerships for problems twice as often as GLE owners.

Touareg story: I’m standing in the Service Line at the VW dealership in Alexandria, VA and this “government” guy behind me says, “You know the name Touareg comes from a nomadic tribe in the Sahara Desert; I spent time with them.” So I asked, “Did you work for some NGO?” With a slight grin he said, “Something like that.” Ten years later I’m sitting in a meeting at Bagram AB, Afghanistan. There’s a female in civilian clothes sitting next to me. I ask her, “Are you with an NGO?” She replies, “No, OGO” (Other Governmental Organization). And I thought, I’m so naive; I bet she works for the same organization as the "Touareg guy."

chassis

Really? Can you please post the link? That has not been my experience and is not the experience posted on rennlist, the definitive Cayenne owner forum.

HDLBRG

Unfortunately, it’s difficult to determine the accuracy of any of these reports because it’s not often clear to the reader the methods & criteria they used and the actual models that were reviewed, e.g., they typically use the GLE 350 (4-cylinder) as their GLE test standard; however, I drive a GLE 450 (6-cyclinder); a different animal.

In a Consumer Reports review (link below) the GLE was ranked the lowest in reliability for all luxury SUVs; however, that has not been my experience, either.

Likewise, According to repairpal.com (link below) Cayenne owners had to visit their dealership 1.1 times per year for problems compared to a .6 times per year average for all luxury SUVs they reviewed. Of the 14 SUVs reviewed, the Cayenne ranked last; Lexus was ranked #1. Would that alone convince me to buy a Lexus? No.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2021/11/18/consumer-reports-most-reliable-cars-trucks-suvs/6385214001/?gps-source=AFPTNRIDN121977&utm_source=impact&utm_mediu m=affiliate&utm_campaign=121977&utm_content=116426 3&irclickid=y8ZRjsVQkxyPT0szCtwHszDtUkH16P3hp3iyXc 0&irgwc=1

https://repairpal.com/reliability/porsche/cayenne

retom

Look also here:

https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...lity-study-vds

HDLBRG

71% of the earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by automobile reliability studies.

SW20S

Thats true, one of the reasons why I am concerned about giving up my S560 when the lease is up because I'm really happy with it.

Why not 15 test drives? I drive a car a lot before I buy it, not a small decision for me.

Its the concept that they are fake. Just let the exhaust tips be hidden in the design, why make something that isn't real?

An EV is the opposite of complicated, its the most simple powertrain you could imagine.

Living in DC for ya! lol

mikapen

Unfortunately these "reliability studies" are not related to reliability.
They are "satisfaction surveys," wondering if the shift stalk is In a good place, or if the radio sounds good.

The reliability part comes after three years, and nobody pays attention.
The "Satisfaction Surveys" are click bait.

retom

So why are you posting them here?

chassis

Thanks. No debating what is written on those internet pages.

How much time have you spent on rennlist reading owners’ experiences and posting questions of your own?

mikapen

No arguing that the CR drivel has been written, just whether there is any merit or truth. There isn't.
You have to subscribe to see the disclaimer that their "reliability" ratings are just guesses, not based on actual data. You actually have to pay!

Rennlist is a much less useful forum than this one.
Mostly complaints about not being able to get green piping on orange seats or similar sources of anger.

SW20S

To me, all you have to do is read the GLE and GLS forums to know that this is not anywhere near MB’s most reliable model lol

mikapen

Rennlist says the same about the Cayenne models too.
Actually, pretty much all Porsche models have lots of complaints on Rennlist.

Kind of like any Auto Forum. People with problems, posting.