Obviously I agree with Mikapen, and OM&HC
Just because you say a concern isn’t a concern for you, doesn’t magically wipe it away as a potential concern for a new buyer of an EV. Obviously there are many concerns that have not been overcome, because the EV has only about 5% market penetration.
So, again, without summarily dismissing legitimate concerns, please prove your claims of politicizing. Or retract your claim.
You have claimed it at least 3 times, but if you soul search a bit, there will be no need to let pride get in the way of admitting when you are wrong.

 

Then you can use your generator to charge your EV.

Many people have concerns that in reality are unfounded. I am not wrong lol, talk to people who actually have EVs and ask them.

As for EV market penetration, in the US so far this year 7.5% of new cars are EVs, last year it was 7%. Globally its over 20%.

EVs are absolutely a politicized issue and you know it. Read on:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...14629620301523





https://www.pewresearch.org/science/...brid-vehicles/

 

You asserting that concerns are unfounded, that may be the case for you. But even if your 7% figure is right, that leaves 93%.
The rest of your charts show PREFERENCE, not politics.
You accused me personally of politics.
If you want to stand behind that accusation, demonstrate how my concerns are political in nature, not preferential. Otherwise, retract.

 

One of my bicycles is an S-Works Turbo Levo....it take great pride in proclaiming that it is powered by Coal, using as many fossil fuel resources as possible when I ride my $14k bicycle made by Chinese slave labor (mostly kids). Charging an EV with a diesel generator is the apex of hypocrisy.

 

Preference driven by politics. If you really are interested in learning if your concerns aren't unfounded, talk to people who have made the switch. My 7% and 20% figures are right. Look them up yourself. EV share of cars sold will grow over time.

I am well aware of your politics from other discussions, and you are strongly aligned politically with the attitudes about EVs that you have posted. I'm standing behind what I said.

You would only charge it with a generator in an emergency when there is no power lol. This is all politically motivated for you too.

 

Stating or asserting something is not demonstrating something. Other posts outside this thread have no relation to it, unless it can be demonstrated ​​​​​​. Demonstrate your assertions, or retract them.

From CFACT & CDN;


Data: BloombergNEF; Note: Covers fully electric and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles; Chart: Axios Visuals

https://www.axios.com/newsletters/ax...cce2ae8c1.html

By Ben Geman

Excerpt: Analysts are slashing estimates for U.S. EV sales in coming years as GOP lawmakers and Trump officials scuttle tax credits and emissions rules.

Why it matters: Transportation is the biggest U.S. share of CO2. And dimming sales forecasts show a market that remains tethered to fast-changing policies.

Driving the news: Today the research firm BloombergNEF estimated that EVs will be 27% of U.S. passenger vehicle sales in 2030, down from nearly 48% in last year’s version of the annual look-ahead.

• Plans to roll back fuel economy and emissions rules, end the $7,500 consumer credit, cut funding for charging infrastructure, and auto import tariffs are all dragging down the outlook.
• And BNEF’s outlook assumes that California’s plans to phase out gas-powered car sales by 2035 — which are under threat — remain in place.

Catch up quick: It comes a month after the International Energy Agency revised its future U.S. sales estimates sharply downward.

• IEA now sees EVs with 20% of light-duty market sales in 2030.
• That’s less than half of IEA’s projection in the 2024 version of its annual EV report.

…

The bottom line: The EV sales trend is still upward — but the U.S. landscape has completely changed.

…

2. Bonus: The global EV picture – By Ben Geman:

Excerpt: Global sales are slated to hit another record this year, with BNEF estimating 22 million passenger EVs moved, up 25% from 2024.

The big picture: China accounts for two-thirds (!) of the market, with Europe next at 17%, followed by the U.S at 7%.

• EVs, including plug-in hybrids, are slated to be one in four passenger vehicles sold this year worldwide.

Yes, but: The research firm has trimmed its short- and long-term outlook.

• That’s due to the U.S. policy changes, potential nullification of California’s rules, and the EU pushing back near-term vehicle CO2 targets.
• It now sees 39 million passenger EVs sold globally in 2030, compared to 42 million in last year’s outlook.

What we’re watching: The global market is shifting as Chinese automakers ramp up foreign sales.

• “This challenges a widely held assumption that EVs will start in wealthy countries before spreading further,” it states.
• “Thailand now has higher EV adoption rates than the U.S., while Brazil is ahead of Japan.”

 

A credible source.
US is a bit under 2% of the fleet now.

The local Ford dealer built an entire new store in 2023, as required by Ford to receive EVs. There are now four charging stations in town, in addition to the two at our two auto dealers.
Interestingly, there are two brand new "fueling stations" opened on the last 18 months, and neither has an EV charging point.
Plus the two-year-old Love's Travel Stop, also without a charger.

 

EV's have nothing to do with politics (well, beyond the ignorant and soon to be canceled rebates/discounts that WE ALL PAY FOR based on false "liberal" claims and theories). Second, I base my purchases on facts. The fact is - even if I were an enviro-nut...they are still building a coal power plant a day on this planet (China) and the "more we do", the less it means on a global scale. So, I enjoy the ride and fill up my TT V8's with premium a few times a week - feeling no guilt what so ever.

 

Twisted logic. I feel no guilt pissing in the drinking water because others do it too. Never expect anyone to choose to do something that is in the common good if it is inconvenient.

No matter. EV’s will eventually be the lower cost purchase option. Unfortunately it is China who has proven that with budget city EV (Wuling Hongguang Mini EV starting at $4100 - no I am not missing a zero). Low maintenance due to fewer moving parts. Yes battery tech will improve. As did combustion engines over the past 120 years.

The real concern is Chinese dominance in the future automobile industry because the current administration doesn’t like any product not built in the 1950’s.

Happened with the Japanese in the 1980’s. The big 3 never recovered and are now the shadow 3.

In a competitive world, national collaborative innovation is more important than reactionary isolationism.

 

False. See, every person should have things in the right order.....1.) Self 2.) Family 3.) City/Nation. No matter what nation you are in, other nations are really not your problem (in the big picture). The United States and much of Europe currently has BIG issues with out of control migrants from far off places that have differing social values (societal and religious). This destroys nations (as we see in France, Sweden and others - many large US cities as well).

So, in China and Russia slave labor is 100% legal and accepted by their populations. In the middle east (including India) it is okay to kill women and "infidels". Oh, and in China it is acceptable to kill your first born, if she is female.....

The United States in the 70/80's bigger mistakes was catering to Unions and EnviroNuts. Sure, somethings (enviro) needed to be fixed. We had things like SuperFund and on and on and on. Today, production is far cleaner due to education more than regulation. As for other "industrializing" nations? They really do not care if their people live in cess pools.

 

Even of EVs become the dominant type of propulsion, dealers will still be necessary.
There will be sunroofs, brakes, steering devices, massage seat mechanisms, fragrance dispensers, GUIs, climate control and all the other things that exist on cars.

Cars will still be mechanical devices.

And I'll still want someone who can fix the Most Modern technology.
Even with Right To Repair gaining traction everywhere, the necessary investments in equipment and training will eliminate more Independent shops with every "advance."
Plus, the need for direct factory engineer access for diagnostics will probably increase.

The highest tech brands and models still have the lowest reliability, as always.

Indy's will probably only work on out-of-warranty autos, at least with any proficiency.
Dealership-level investments will reduce any pricing advantage they may have.
I doubt they'll send each technician out to a hands on week long training session at least annually to maintain proficiency.
More will shutter, or specialize / only work on Classics. Just like today.

 

100% agree, that if you care about success, and building success on top of success, you have to have clear priorities in life. In the Marine Corps(which used to be part of the Navy), the priority they instill into all their Marines(A Few Good Men) it’s God, Country, Corps, Family. A lot of the outcome depends on the reliance and recognition of God, or some higher power. Even the lowest bums, will be able to turn their lives around, once they admit they are powerless over their addictions, and can only get clean and sober with the help of a higher power.
Yes, some people have success in godless lives, but eventually it catches up to all of them. The truth is, unless people can see humility in your life, they ultimately cannot respect you.

 

I respect all people, regardless of their apparent faith. I try not to be judgemental.

Treat your Service Advisor with respect and you'll get better help and assistance. They'll dig deeper for you.

Some here dispise dealership personnel, and it's hard to hide when they interface.

 

Shouldn’t this conversation be taking place on a different forum? What does this have to do with MB service?

 

Start at the begging. CliffsNotes helps no one fully comprehend any story

 

I think you mean beginning. I’ve been following this from the start. Talking about God still has nothing to do with this thread. It’s gotten way off topic.

 

wow. That’s some strong reaction to my view that innovation happens where there is collaboration within a nation

“national collaborative innovation is more important than reactionary isolationism”
Is about how to compete with in a very competitive world.

if the other nations become more capable in manufacturing and technology, and richer, and stronger, then other nations do become your problem

Why are you a Mercedes owner, as an isolationist?

By the way nearly 46% of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or their children. It’s the US melting pot and the Canadian multiculturalism that made North America innovative and wealthy.

 

Collaboration, and competition are almost completely opposite.
Why is it that when talking about or referring to immigration, illegal immigration gets lumped in right with it?
Again, almost completely opposite.

 

@parato and @MB2timer do you use independent shops, or do you use your dealer?
Or do you alternate, depending on the problem?

 

Dealer for now, while still under warranty.
I have found an Indy, but haven’t used him yet.
He is virtually 1 mile down the road from my dealer.

 

This is true in all aspects of life. I treat everybody around me with respect. If you look at people that complain about receiving poor service, often they themselves attract poor service because of their attitude.

I absolutely do not dispose dealership personnel, that doesn’t mean I believe they are the be all and end all.

 

We've decided that all service while under warranty will be at the dealer, so we don't have a battle when we need warranty work. This doesn't make me happy at all, but it will make my future less stressful.... at least that's the hope.

We hate our dealer's service department. They use pneumatics to do everything. After trying a 3 ft breaker bar and impact driver, we had to use our pneumatic wrench to remove the oil filter cover the first time we performed our own oil change. Even that took more than 5 minutes cranking on it to get it to release. They have over torqued our lug bolts so much that we tell them not to touch our wheels. They insisted that I needed new brake pads and rotors 3 years ago, and those same pads were around 6mm when we rotated tires last month. To their credit, the parts department is fantastic and very helpful when we have questions for our DIY maintenance.

We've had other dealers inflate tires to 80 psi without a second thought. Thank goodness we immediately noticed that one!

We've also had the reverse. Our first MB dealer was fantastic. On our first visit, the service tech noticed a "strange" vibration that we hadn't noticed. They found broken engine mounts that they quickly replaced. We also had a situation where I called the service department about some weird electrical behavior and was brushed off by the random service advisor I was routed to. Our regular service advisor heard that I called and immediately called me back, insisting that I bring the car in on my way home. The moment I pulled up, he was waiting for me with the loaner and paperwork. They were able to quickly diagnose the issue and fix it with no future problems.

No service department, advisor, or technician is the same; to say they are all terrible is a gross overgeneralization. However, I can say that I haven't found a good one around us, and there are numerous dealers to choose from.

 

Wrong thread

 

Is that why they say stealership?

 

It's probably a phrase that their Daddy used to use.