Jack up the GLE? Spare Tire? FORGET IT!
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Obviously no stock tire/wheel will fit in donut wheel well. The point with carrying a full size spare is to go the narrowest possible (with taller aspect ration) full size tire (key is overall diameter to be close to stock's) on narrowest possible wheel with low enough offset (or using a spacer to compensate for higher offset). Of course this full size combo would need to occupy a part of "trunk" area.
"AND CHECKING THE DIAMETER OF" added because it was not "obvious" to "threeMBs" that this is what I meant. Of course it is "obvious" that the stock wheels/tires are too wide to fit in the shallow wheel well and allow the trunk floor cover to close and lie flat.
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There is no full size spare for these SUVs, nor ever was for previous generations. There are two types of spares MB is using for these cars, depending on option(s) - space saver (inflatable one) or donut (full or close to full stock diameter already inflated temporary use tire on extremely narrow 4-5" steel "wheel"). That is why it is obvious. The chance of full size tire/wheel (forget about even trying stock's) fitting into donut wheel well area is the same as fitting a stock wheel/tire (even the front) of your SL's in its trunk (though donut tire/wheel does fit in SL's trunk, but that is for a different forum).
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There is no full size spare for these SUVs, nor ever was for previous generations. There are two types of spares MB is using for these cars, depending on option(s) - space saver (inflatable one) or donut (full or close to full stock diameter already inflated temporary use tire on extremely narrow 4-5" steel "wheel"). That is why it is obvious. The chance of full size tire/wheel (forget about even trying stock's) fitting into donut wheel well area is the same as fitting a stock wheel/tire (even the front) of your SL's in its trunk (though donut tire/wheel does fit in SL's trunk, but that is for a different forum).
You are correct that recent M-B SUV's don't have full sized spares, but @James1974 and @slk55er are talking about finding a regular combo that might be usable without the "under 50mph for 70 miles" restriction.
I am used to sacrificing part of my luggage space for a spare. My first ML was a 2010 Diesel, which came with runflats (which I refused) because the DEF tank took ALL the spare space. IMO it's preferable to have a real spare, even though I'm quite well prepared to plug / repair a flat on the road.
Looking forward to any new finds!
BTW this IS the forum for AMG 53's.
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'21 AMG53 wDPP & ARC, 19 GLC300 - Former- 10&14 ML BlueTecs, 20 GLE450 E-ABC, 15 Cayenne D, 17 Macan
At least I have my forum and information correct, as do the above-mentioned posters!
Have you seen a V167 tire well? Have you tried your "tip?" TIA.
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On longer trips or off the beaten path, get a roof rack and mount tire on it along with a proper jack... if there's a will, there's a way.
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Sorry, this is a bit off topic but you're comment prompts me to mention one experience I had: In 1983 I did a BMW factory tour in Stuttgart and picked up a 633CSi. I bought an extra wheel at the factory and actually brought it on to the airplane as carry-on luggage and storef it in the overhead bin. When I borded in the plane the German flight attendant said "Well, where there's a wheel, there is a way." True story.
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(Not even mentioning putting an 80lbs "thing" there, and then needing to take it out.)
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'21 AMG53 wDPP & ARC, 19 GLC300 - Former- 10&14 ML BlueTecs, 20 GLE450 E-ABC, 15 Cayenne D, 17 Macan
Is that your spare? If so, what's the car and what's it's tire fitment? I hadn't seen a donut spare in a v167.
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The bottom line is - the full size spare has to be as narrow as possible for V167 GLE AMG63 (or 53 with 63 brakes): 255/55-20 tire (or 245/55-20 if you can find one) on 20x8.5(et 30s) to a. has any remote chance of fitting into modified wheel well and/or b. to be kept on occasions (out of town trips) in the trunk while minimizing the loss of trunk utility space. Those with 350s and maybe even with 450s, especially those 350/450 fitted with hideous 19" have a lot more options.
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Funny I just realized that 155/80-19 is identical to W166 ML/GLE AMG63 donut tire at only 29"(actually under) diameter. I would not be mixing it with 31" diameter other 3 tires except for VERY short distance. Hence full spare is a must as per my post above (except for those with 19s).
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Funny I just realized that 155/80-19 is identical to W166 ML/GLE AMG63 donut tire at only 29"(actually under) diameter. I would not be mixing it with 31" diameter other 3 tires except for VERY short distance. Hence full spare is a must as per my post above (except for those with 19s).
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'21 AMG53 wDPP & ARC, 19 GLC300 - Former- 10&14 ML BlueTecs, 20 GLE450 E-ABC, 15 Cayenne D, 17 Macan
Oh ya? Care to post of what you actually have there? Did you take everything out and actually measure the depth to say "there's a lot of depth under there" (to be able to fit 275/45-21 or 285/40-22 on 10" wide wheel then to be able to easily lift it out of there even if it would fit, which I know it won't)?
The bottom line is - the full size spare has to be as narrow as possible for V167 GLE AMG63 (or 53 with 63 brakes): 255/55-20 tire (or 245/55-20 if you can find one) on 20x8.5(et 30s) to a. has any remote chance of fitting into modified wheel well and/or b. to be kept on occasions (out of town trips) in the trunk while minimizing the loss of trunk utility space. Those with 350s and maybe even with 450s, especially those 350/450 fitted with hideous 19" have a lot more options.
The bottom line is - the full size spare has to be as narrow as possible for V167 GLE AMG63 (or 53 with 63 brakes): 255/55-20 tire (or 245/55-20 if you can find one) on 20x8.5(et 30s) to a. has any remote chance of fitting into modified wheel well and/or b. to be kept on occasions (out of town trips) in the trunk while minimizing the loss of trunk utility space. Those with 350s and maybe even with 450s, especially those 350/450 fitted with hideous 19" have a lot more options.
No, I haven't removed the spare liner. No, I haven't bought a lot of other tire/wheel sizes and tried fitting them. Yes, there seems to be a lot of space under there, and removing the liner might gain 2" or more in diameter. My inflatable spare is 10" wide, and it fits under the floor. There might be another inch or three with the liner removed. To repeat: No, I haven't tried it yet.
Here's my spare - '21 GLE53 SUV, 21" wheels.
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You elect to ignore parts of the info above convenient to your point of view. In images posted above fully inflated donut 155/80-19 tire is occupying identical compartment to your uninflected inflatable one. That area is only under 29" across. I would think law of physics precludes fitting an item with 31" diameter into area capable to accommodate only 29" max (not to mention the hight). Post #24 suggested trying stock in that area (without implying to modify it first). My correct "obvious" reply to it is what two of you object to. You both do not offer any proof to the contrary while having an issue with "obviously" stock won't fit. I'll use the feature of this forum to skip certain posters.
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Temporary spare
Funny I just realized that 155/80-19 is identical to W166 ML/GLE AMG63 donut tire at only 29"(actually under) diameter. I would not be mixing it with 31" diameter other 3 tires except for VERY short distance. Hence full spare is a must as per my post above (except for those with 19s).
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At 28.8" d. the temporary spare is 2.1" smaller than a 315/40-21 (with new original tires, 1.7" when worn). That equates to about 7.2% higher revs/mile. Obviously Mercedes thinks this is acceptable for emergency use "for a limited time and in a restricted manner in the event of a flat tire." I agree that I would not want to be driving more than say about 50 miles on it.
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A couple of notes here - I bought the Wheel Hanger pins from your source, and they are worth getting just to see the Pride of Workmanship they exhibit!
Also, while one helps somewhat, TWO is the magic number. With only one, your fight with the heavy wheel continues while you insert at least one other bolt. With two, that fight ends when the tire is clear of the ground. With only one, it's helpful to have an assistant press the brakes, to hold the brake disc stationary so you can aim that first bolt into a non-moving target.
Second - the Flower Head is only present with chrome capped bolts. The black ones have the standard hex head, so normal 17mm metric sockets work.
Also, while one helps somewhat, TWO is the magic number. With only one, your fight with the heavy wheel continues while you insert at least one other bolt. With two, that fight ends when the tire is clear of the ground. With only one, it's helpful to have an assistant press the brakes, to hold the brake disc stationary so you can aim that first bolt into a non-moving target.
Second - the Flower Head is only present with chrome capped bolts. The black ones have the standard hex head, so normal 17mm metric sockets work.
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I need these pins but, now that he is out, can’t find them. I hope they are available soon as noted above by Steelman…. I also wonder if anyone has made a jacking puck to fit the latest GLE yet. I plan to use a 2x6” square in the void of having a puck (as noted above). Regardless, I’d buy a couple if someone makes a puck built for these vehicles.
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Two is the magic number.