2020 GLS X167 News
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"...Mercedes-Benz which could choose New York to reveal its new GLS-Class SUV. "
https://www.motor1.com/news/297967/a...uts-2019-nyas/
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"...Mercedes-Benz which could choose New York to reveal its new GLS-Class SUV. "
https://www.motor1.com/news/297967/a...uts-2019-nyas/
https://www.motor1.com/news/297967/a...uts-2019-nyas/
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I imagine the GLS560 will just be a non-AMG version of the 4.0 litre V8, same engine as the S560.
If anyone can shine any more light on this please do
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I agree with that. They might decide to market a middle grade GLS500 with the 429/435hp I6 from the European S500 as a step in between the GLS450 and GLS560. A GLS53 really makes no sense at this size, it won't be sporty enough IMO.
I can or would like the see:
GLS450 - 362hp I6
GLS500 - 429hp
GLS560 - 463hp V8
GLS63 - 630hp.
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I can or would like the see:
GLS450 - 362hp I6
GLS500 - 429hp
GLS560 - 463hp V8
GLS63 - 630hp.
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I agree with that. They might decide to market a middle grade GLS500 with the 429/435hp I6 from the European S500 as a step in between the GLS450 and GLS560. A GLS53 really makes no sense at this size, it won't be sporty enough IMO.
I can or would like the see:
GLS450 - 362hp I6
GLS500 - 429hp
GLS560 - 463hp V8
GLS63 - 630hp.
M
I can or would like the see:
GLS450 - 362hp I6
GLS500 - 429hp
GLS560 - 463hp V8
GLS63 - 630hp.
M
Yeah, that's also a possibility I guess. We'll just have to wait & see.
I am a little curious as to what happened to the diesel 4.0 litre V8 GL450 CDI that was offered here during the last couple of years of the X164 GL-Class though? It was a little odd that V8 diesel engine appeared for only a couple of years, then didn't make it into the newer X166 GL/GLS, or any of MB's other cars that I am aware of. To me it seemed strange MB would spend all that money on developing a V8 diesel, then drop it after only a couple of years (here's an example of a few currently for sale here (https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/mer...srcx=makemodel).
As far as I'm aware the diesel V8 X164 GL450 CDI was not offered in the USA though, but it was here in Australia (it didn't sell very well though as you rarely see one on the road), and some other world markets too, but I'm not sure exactly where. A X164 GL450 in the USA was still powered by a smaller petrol V8, and sat under the GL550 in the GL-Class range. We rented a GL450 for a week in late 2011 to drive from LA to Grand Canyon then Vegas and back to LA. We expected it to be diesel when we arrived at Hertz's office at LAX but was very surprised to see it was petrol. It was a great vehicle to soak up all those miles in and cart around all of our luggage though.
I have also now noticed the newer X166 GLS450 is no longer a V8 but a twin-turbo V6, so what also happened to that smaller V8 that was in the X164 GL450? We don't have the X166 GLS450 here in Australia, only the GLS350d, the GLS500 (which I have) and the GLS63 with the diesel 350d being the one you see on the road the most, which appears to be consistent with all other MB SUVs that sell here that are mostly all diesel too (ie. GLC250d/350d or GLE250d/350d).
So in saying all of this I'm not too bothered what engines MB put into the new X167 GLS as I don't plan on buying one. My current X166 2017 GLS500 is just too big for us, and I only bought it because I was updating my 2013 ML500 and still wanted the non-AMG V8 that was no longer available in the GLE-Class. I would love to swap back into a new GLE when the V167 arrives next year, but I would like a non-AMG V8 again (GLE560?) but it appears there's not going to be one available which is extremely disappointing. I really just want a luxury SUV with a V8 (either petrol or diesel) but I'm not a fan of the AMG models as they're too loud & aggressive for our requirements, plus they're extremely pricey compared to the non-AMG V8s. A new GLS63 is currently around $243k drive-away here!
Anyway, I'm babbling on again ... Seasons Greetings, and as always Happy & Safe motoring fellow MB lovers!
Last edited by Benz Werd; Jan 7, 2019 at 03:59 AM.
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Thanks Germancar1.
Yeah, that's also a possibility I guess. We'll just have to wait & see.
I am a little curious as to what happened to the diesel 4.0 litre V8 GL450 CDI that was offered here during the last couple of years of the X164 GL-Class though? It was a little odd that V8 diesel engine appeared for only a couple of years, then didn't make it into the newer X166 GL/GLS, or any of MB's other cars that I am aware of. To me it seemed strange MB would spend all that money on developing a V8 diesel, then drop it after only a couple of years (here's an nice low mileage example of one that's currently for sale here so you can see what I'm referring to - www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Mercedes-Benz-GL450-CDI-2012/OAG-AD-16261773/?Cr=5).
As far as I'm aware the diesel V8 X164 GL450 CDI was not offered in the USA though, but it was here in Australia (it didn't sell very well though as you rarely see one on the road), and some other world markets too, but I'm not sure exactly where. A X164 GL450 in the USA was still powered by a smaller petrol V8, and sat under the GL550 in the GL-Class range. We rented a GL450 for a week in late 2011 to drive from LA to Grand Canyon then Vegas and back to LA. We expected it to be diesel when we arrived at Hertz's office at LAX but was very surprised to see it was petrol. It was a great vehicle to soak up all those miles in and cart around all of our luggage though.
I have also now noticed the newer X166 GLS450 is no longer a V8 but a twin-turbo V6, so what also happened to that smaller V8 that was in the X164 GL450? We don't have the X166 GLS450 here in Australia, only the GLS350d, the GLS500 (which I have) and the GLS63 with the diesel 350d being the one you see on the road the most, which appears to be consistent with all other MB SUVs that sell here that are mostly all diesel (ie. GLC250d/350d or GLE250d/350d).
So in saying all of this I'm not too bothered what engines MB put into the new X167 GLS as I don't plan on buying one. My current X166 2017 GLS500 is just too big for us, and I only bought it because I was updating my 2013 ML500 and still wanted the non-AMG V8 that was no longer available in the GLE-Class. I would love to swap back into a new GLE when the V167 arrives next year, but I would like a non-AMG V8 again (GLE560?) but it appears there's not going to be one available which is extremely disappointing. I really just want a luxury SUV with a V8 (either petrol or diesel) but I'm not a fan of the AMG models as they're too loud & aggressive for our requirements, plus they're extremely pricey compared to the non-AMG V8s. A new GLS63 is currently around $243k drive-away here! (www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Mercedes-Benz-GLS63-2018/SHRM-AD-5887396/?Cr=0).
Anyway, I'm babbling on again ... Seasons Greetings, and as always Happy & Safe motoring fellow MB lovers!
Yeah, that's also a possibility I guess. We'll just have to wait & see.
I am a little curious as to what happened to the diesel 4.0 litre V8 GL450 CDI that was offered here during the last couple of years of the X164 GL-Class though? It was a little odd that V8 diesel engine appeared for only a couple of years, then didn't make it into the newer X166 GL/GLS, or any of MB's other cars that I am aware of. To me it seemed strange MB would spend all that money on developing a V8 diesel, then drop it after only a couple of years (here's an nice low mileage example of one that's currently for sale here so you can see what I'm referring to - www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Mercedes-Benz-GL450-CDI-2012/OAG-AD-16261773/?Cr=5).
As far as I'm aware the diesel V8 X164 GL450 CDI was not offered in the USA though, but it was here in Australia (it didn't sell very well though as you rarely see one on the road), and some other world markets too, but I'm not sure exactly where. A X164 GL450 in the USA was still powered by a smaller petrol V8, and sat under the GL550 in the GL-Class range. We rented a GL450 for a week in late 2011 to drive from LA to Grand Canyon then Vegas and back to LA. We expected it to be diesel when we arrived at Hertz's office at LAX but was very surprised to see it was petrol. It was a great vehicle to soak up all those miles in and cart around all of our luggage though.
I have also now noticed the newer X166 GLS450 is no longer a V8 but a twin-turbo V6, so what also happened to that smaller V8 that was in the X164 GL450? We don't have the X166 GLS450 here in Australia, only the GLS350d, the GLS500 (which I have) and the GLS63 with the diesel 350d being the one you see on the road the most, which appears to be consistent with all other MB SUVs that sell here that are mostly all diesel (ie. GLC250d/350d or GLE250d/350d).
So in saying all of this I'm not too bothered what engines MB put into the new X167 GLS as I don't plan on buying one. My current X166 2017 GLS500 is just too big for us, and I only bought it because I was updating my 2013 ML500 and still wanted the non-AMG V8 that was no longer available in the GLE-Class. I would love to swap back into a new GLE when the V167 arrives next year, but I would like a non-AMG V8 again (GLE560?) but it appears there's not going to be one available which is extremely disappointing. I really just want a luxury SUV with a V8 (either petrol or diesel) but I'm not a fan of the AMG models as they're too loud & aggressive for our requirements, plus they're extremely pricey compared to the non-AMG V8s. A new GLS63 is currently around $243k drive-away here! (www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/Mercedes-Benz-GLS63-2018/SHRM-AD-5887396/?Cr=0).
Anyway, I'm babbling on again ... Seasons Greetings, and as always Happy & Safe motoring fellow MB lovers!
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I’m pretty sure you’ll see the 450, 560 and 63. I just don’t no think I can see a 53 especially if they are trying to make this the “S class “ of SUV’s and just because of the size of the vehicle. I think most amg buyers will go with the 63 comepared to a 53 if both were offered. I do think a good amount would go for the 560 still. ( US MARKET )
also I heard the GLS might be available July /August and the 63 a month or so after.
also I heard the GLS might be available July /August and the 63 a month or so after.
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Looks like they took the new GLE 450 and reworked the back and the headlights. That said, the final GLS 450 may look a lot like this render which looks pretty good to me.
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It's really a toss up as to what engines we will see in 167 GLS. I personally have my doubts on seeing a 53 and a 560. The 63 and 450 both will certainly survive into the next generation but is there really enough of a market for 3 different V8 GLS models? I am strictly referring to the US market as the rest of the world is most likely to see a diesel as well but that's not making it here.
Thanks for your feedback. I know I am a little slow responding sorry.
However, what 3 different V8 GLS models are you referring to? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the current X166 GLS450 a V6? And then there's only 2 V8s - the GLS550 (badged GLS500 here in Australia) & the AMG GLS63 - unless I'm missing something?
In line with what MB are doing with the new V167 GLE450 my guess is the X167 GLS450 will also be powered by the new inline 6. It's possible MB might even badge it GLS500 in an attempt to attract current GLS500/550 owners away from the V8 and into the inline 6. This seems to be MB's pattern now with some of their new models or facelifts.
Additionally I believe the X166 GLS500/550 with the 4.7 litre V8 will be replaced by the X167 GLS560 and powered by the non-AMG 4.0 litre V8, same as the current engine in the newly updated S560. Then of course the new GLS63, possibly even badged a GLS63s, with follow powered by the AMG 4.0 litre V8, instead of the current AMG 5.5 litre V8.
As Delta5275 and Germancar1 mentioned I also doubt there'll be an AMG GLS53 with an AMG version of the new inline 6, but it can't be completely ruled out either. I think a lot of car companies are trying to slowly steer us V8 lovers towards higher powered but smaller capacity engines so they can eventually completely remove the V8s from their range. I have noticed there's no more V8 CLS coupes anymore, the CLS53 has replaced the CLS63, and perhaps the next generation C/GLC63s, E/GLE63s & S/GLS63 will follow suit.
As for the markets that have the diesel model the current GLS350d will most likely be replaced by the X167 GLS400d, in line with the new V167 GLE400d.
That would all make sense wouldn't it?
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The "53" cars and the S500 in Europe use the same engine, it's the 429hp version of the I6, but in the GLS it would be the GLS500 IMO. GLS53 makes no sense, it wouldn't be sporty enough to make it an AMG. You need serious shove to make the GLS into a AMG model, hence the 600+ hp V8 in the GLS63 I'm betting we definitely see.
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It will definitely be a 63 most likely the same power as the current s63. Can’t wait for the release already. I’m hoping they do similar insulation to the s class and not the same as the GLE. Maybe more full leather on the lower part of the door ect. At least make it more on par with the s and to compete with the range
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Im hoping it does have captains chairs. I’m ok with a similar design to the GLE but I don’t want a clone . I’m hoping it does come with the magic sky control. Loved it in my s 63. I’m also hoping they add more insulation comepared to the gle , along with UV blocking and acoustic glass. Also upgraded leather like the S class. Not skipping areas like
the lower door ect. It should be completely covered in leather like the S class or at least offer that as an option. I think Mercedes really needs to nail it , since Range Rover probably will on their next gen. Still very excited
the lower door ect. It should be completely covered in leather like the S class or at least offer that as an option. I think Mercedes really needs to nail it , since Range Rover probably will on their next gen. Still very excited
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