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I fitted P4S to my X166 63 and found them to be really good tyres, ride quality was improved.
My 167 Conti 6 on the rear have 6mm of tread and the Yokohama on the front have 4.5, the rears are MO and the fronts MO-1, aren’t AMG vehicles meant to be MO-1 spec?
Not necessarily. My stock setup for my C63 was the Pilot Super Sport MO in the front and MO1 in the rear. It's not what I'm running anymore, though. I'm running the BMW variant of the PS4S at the moment. I like it way better than the MO/MO1 PSS and way better than the regular PS4S. BMW made quite a few changes to it for the better.
You have the wrong expectations I feel for the this car. Let’s be honest. Any GLS isn’t and never will be a sports car or a track car. You want a fast people hauler? GLS63 or X5M or anything like that is what is out there. Unfortunately they don’t act in anyway like a sports car. Get a R8, Z06, GTR or something else when you want to drive spirited.
The comparisons I’ve made here are not sports cars, but X166 GLS63 and Bentley Bentayga. Im very aware of the kind of car the GLS is, and have commented that it’s not as controlled, dynamic or responsive as expected based on those kind of vehicles only.
I have an R8 V10, Im not looking for a sports car, but I believe the ride and performance on the 167 63 is set up on the softer side, more refined that AMG like, which was my initial statement.
The 2016 Bentayga W12 is more refined, better controlled, faster and so on, looks nasty compared but does the job way better, which was a surprise when you consider the engine and tech of the 167 63 AMG, and its lots its AMG character when I think back to my 166 that barked away at any opportunity, the MHEV and emissions laws no doubt preventing it these days, so a softer car as a result.
I understand what you’re saying but I’m not comparing it to a sports car.
I drove the 2017 W12 for a bit and do not agree that it is the measure of better you believe it is compared to the 2024 GLS AMG. And that is as recent as December in the W12.
Recommend you first get a proper tire setup, then align, then get a MB dealer to check for updates on the systems. IMO your vehicle seems off in performance based upon your description. Also selecting the proper modes might need to be done for refining performance points your looking for.
As I mentioned I do not sense the instability or lag and it is at or slightly faster than the W12 in this new 2024 iteration.
Also recommend moving on if doesn’t fit your expectation versus the complaints. Life’s too short to spend good money for something you don’t enjoy.
And I will caveat. I’m also always looking for the next better SUV…all iterations I have had, X5M, W12, D90V8, and this are all getting better in ride dynamics and faster. D90V8 was fast but not M or AMG fast but hands down best 4WD system.
I agree it’s powerful but isn’t responsively powerful, it has to be wound up, so the MHEV isn’t providing that instant power they’re meant to, and the exhaust whilst loud isnt AMG pop and bang theatre like it was in the 166, probably because of emissions regs and MHEV.
I picked up a late 2021 GLS63 around 4 weeks ago and initial impressions are pretty much disappointment across several fronts, but mostly in the way it drives, sounds, feels etc. its just not quite full bore AMG like my X166 was in terms of feeling powerful, fast, loud etc. the X167 is very mute, lots of lag, feels like it needs more shove to get it going before it feels like that, and the exhaust pops and bangs are so tame Im almost struggling to hear it.
My 166 used to shake the windows in comparison. I know emissions regs and MHEV will have changed the way cars can sound but I believed MHEV was an aide to throttle response, it doesn’t feel like that.
The 48V roll bars are over sensitive, it doesn’t feel natural in this platform compared to others I’ve driven.
Build quality is poor, lots of niggly issues, faults etc which should not be present on a car at this price point, and for me it feels too “regular Mercedes@.
I had a Bentayga W12 last year and whilst not as nice to look at it did all of the things I mention much better, and it was a olde vehicle and wasn’t even their Speed model.
Im a long term AMG owner, mostly in the SUV line up and whilst the 167 is nice in some ways it’s not hiring the spot for me so far.
Anyone else felt the same with theirs?
Thanks
I drove a 166 GLS63 and wasn't impressed. Quiet muffled barge that sounded like it was trying to do something but couldn't muster it.
Just reviving the thread, the front tyres are down to less than 4mm in the centre now, rears above 5mm, but the fronts have worn heavily on the other edge, is that what you guys experienced or a suggestion of alignment issues? Wear fairly even centre to inner edge just outer edge that’s worn quicker, big heavy powerful car so not complaining just wanted to know what others had with their 22” wheels?
Heavy car definitely has something to do with tire wear. Tread life will be shorter the heavier the car is. It's something that a lot of EV drivers are finding out as the biggest maintenance cost are the tires.
Having said that, outer edge wear is generally a sign of too much toe in and it's not usually something that happens normally on an AMG. AMGs generally have more aggressive negative camber, so the inner edge tends to wear quicker on the front tires, not the outer edge. Definitely looks like your front tire is being rolled over its outer side. Are they inflated properly?
Just reviving the thread, the front tyres are down to less than 4mm in the centre now, rears above 5mm, but the fronts have worn heavily on the other edge, is that what you guys experienced or a suggestion of alignment issues? Wear fairly even centre to inner edge just outer edge that’s worn quicker, big heavy powerful car so not complaining just wanted to know what others had with their 22” wheels?
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It looks like you've been enjoying your car in the twisties.
To me, that doesn't look like excessive wear, compared to the rest of the tread. Probably 1 - 2/32nds more wear than the rest of the tire.
I had a lot more wear on my fronts than that, after only a few track days.
There's no evidence of feathering or other "out of alignment" tells.
Just get new tires, an alignment, and wear out the new set.😀
And yes, my fronts wore our before my rears. I don't drag race, but I do like attacking corners.
Heavy car definitely has something to do with tire wear. Tread life will be shorter the heavier the car is. It's something that a lot of EV drivers are finding out as the biggest maintenance cost are the tires.
Having said that, outer edge wear is generally a sign of too much toe in and it's not usually something that happens normally on an AMG. AMGs generally have more aggressive negative camber, so the inner edge tends to wear quicker on the front tires, not the outer edge. Definitely looks like your front tire is being rolled over its outer side. Are they inflated properly?
EV tire wear is from max torque at zero rpm. EV manufacturers are also likely cheaping-out on tires, as they do with everything else, to shave ounces of weight from the car to get a couple of hundred yards more range from the battery.
Suggest you read the voluminous quantity of posts on GL and GLS tire wear in the 164 and 166 sections. Camber, not toe, is the issue. It has been since 164.
Weight has nothing to do with tire wear in this case. Consider Class 8 trucks - tires are designed for the use case. Larger and wider tires as are more common today on passenger cars such as GLS and many others should see less tire wear with a larger area to distribute a not-much-different mass. But the reality is tire wear is essentially unchanged - it's terrible for MBs and AMG SUVs.
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Ive covered approx 4k miles since I got it a couple of months ago, but 90% of that is my motorway commute rather than spirited twisty roads etc.
Inflatef correctly, well 1 psi more than the label tells me to set them at, and to be honest my GL63 & GLS63 before this 167 variant did not wear their tyres at all on the outer edge, and they were used much more on twisty roads as o worked elsewhere then. They wore tires real fast but not just the edge like the 167 has done.
The ride still feels like it rolls on the tyres and the treads are moving around on the tarmac, body fidgeting like there’s a light breeze hitting the car, when there isn’t, and needing to make light corrections to the steering to keep it in line, so if I decide to keep it I will get new tyres and an alignment done to check everything is set up right.
OP, not sure if someone mentioned this already but you could try exhaust value modules, it won't be like changing to a custom exhaust but it helps the stock sound come out. Another thing is, not sure if you run-in the vehicle yet but there have been reports of the sound opening up after thousands of miles of driving and learning driver behaviour.
I have a 23 GLS63 and a 24 GLS63- the exhaust is much louder on the 23. Can't seem to figure out why. The lag OP mentioned bothered me as well but that is much better with a ECU tune.
I haven't heard of an exhaust module so can't comment on that.
I have a 23 GLS63 and a 24 GLS63- the exhaust is much louder on the 23. Can't seem to figure out why. The lag OP mentioned bothered me as well but that is much better with a ECU tune.
I haven't heard of an exhaust module so can't comment on that.
They are abbreviated EWM, the common ones are ASR.
I have a 23 GLS63 and a 24 GLS63- the exhaust is much louder on the 23. Can't seem to figure out why. The lag OP mentioned bothered me as well but that is much better with a ECU tune.
I haven't heard of an exhaust module so can't comment on that.
What tune did you go for, obviously more power but did it transform the pick up throttle response to make it feel more free revving and responsive?
What tune did you go for, obviously more power but did it transform the pick up throttle response to make it feel more free revving and responsive?
I did a Eurocharge tune and it is LOTS more responsive now. I would recommend it.
I'm still wondering why the 2024 is not as loud as the 2023 in terms of exhaust.
