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Old 01-07-2006, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by King320
John: thanks for the props. Isnt it unfair how easily an A4 can be tuned!?! look at that torque curve jump! All that from a freaking chip!!!
No problem! You OWNED!

And yeah, those A4s are crazy! My son has an A4 '06 2.0T, and he caught interest in the subject upon mentioning it to him, he said two things:

1. He already killed a C230

and...

2. Do you know any sites or have any info on well-reputable tuners for Audi?

He says he called Mike from EVOsport down here who referred him to a company called Powerchips or something "chips" which is currently working on a ECU remap for the A4 but it wont be ready until March. He wants something now... anything you know of?

I know the old A4s have a LOT of stuff but the new one (06)... not so much.

Thanks in advance!

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Originally Posted by Lexani
Ahahahaha! Holy **** man stop typing!!!!

I can't take it anymore, I damn near fell off my chair laughing!

Thank god it was all a joke...

Right?

Ok, first, there's a lost concept (to you anyways) that YOU are not grasping:

Your vehicle, BY ANY STANDARDS, is NOT FAST!

You WILL NOT keep up with an M3. Ever. The guy can race you backwards, your still not going to pull on him. Honestly man, your stupidity and ego aside, your car cant catch a marathon runner.

Oh, and please, actually type like you graduated high school; your writing competes with fifth-graders. And even that...



Other than that, go out and kill some more M3s and RS4s...



Someone please race this Dr. Dre here. In an A4 or something...
jesus christ man can you read or not, where the F*CK does it say I keep up with M3's, how old are you? You are still disputing somthing I dont claim where did you lose the functioning part of your brain...Typing on a forum does not call for MLA format or any other formal writing and you using a semi colon is not going to impress me I've seen your posts and your spelling, I would quote your other posts but typing a response to your retarded comment is wasting my life as it is and however old you may be you certainly give the impression that you are a spoiled 10 year old kid. Notice that you didnt use apostrophe's in "M3s and Rs4s..." did you graduate high school? You criticize me and then make your own hipocritical error, clearly whatever got you that SL is luck because it sure as hell wasnt wits, and I recall disputes that you even own that car because of your **** poor class attitude and antics. There are 7.0 0-60mph ferraris and no one calls them slow because its still a ferrari, your judgement is purely bias to whatever predisposition you have, and to reinforce that conclusion you dispute arguments that were never made. 333hp E46 = rape at will of any 7 second car im no different
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2. Do you know any sites or have any info on well-reputable tuners for Audi?
Short answer, yes. But since the 2.0T engine is so new, the tuners are going to take a while to catch up making products for it. For now, he might want to do that APR stage 1 upgrade and get some wheels and suspension for it. Here are some links.
http://www.goapr.com/
http://lltek.com/ <Little bit ricey and site is buggy, but they have some good stuff
http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/audi/index.cfm
http://www.neuspeed.com/home.asp?ltype=ns_euro <again, somewhat ricey because alot of the tuning is carryover from Volkswagen, but they have some good engine parts and shifters (for the old audis im sure, new ones might be a while)
http://www.achtuning.com/ <These guys can make a B5 S4 SCARY.
www.purems.com
http://www.advancedmotorsport.com/
I could keep going, but there are tons more links here:
http://www.audiworld.com/marketplace/
He might want to join that board, lots of good info there. Tell him best of luck with the Audi....
Oh, almost forgot: "M3s" is plural "M3's" is possessive
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Originally Posted by King320
Short answer, yes. But since the 2.0T engine is so new, the tuners are going to take a while to catch up making products for it. For now, he might want to do that APR stage 1 upgrade and get some wheels and suspension for it. Here are some links.
http://www.goapr.com/
http://lltek.com/ <Little bit ricey and site is buggy, but they have some good stuff
http://www.awe-tuning.com/pages/audi/index.cfm
http://www.neuspeed.com/home.asp?ltype=ns_euro <again, somewhat ricey because alot of the tuning is carryover from Volkswagen, but they have some good engine parts and shifters (for the old audis im sure, new ones might be a while)
http://www.achtuning.com/ <These guys can make a B5 S4 SCARY.
www.purems.com
http://www.advancedmotorsport.com/
I could keep going, but there are tons more links here:
http://www.audiworld.com/marketplace/
He might want to join that board, lots of good info there. Tell him best of luck with the Audi....
Oh, almost forgot: "M3s" is plural "M3's" is possessive
Don't forget about audizine.

Anyway, to this matter I just find it a bit alarming that the C230 line in this thread just gets stepped all over by people with either: a) a higher budget and b) which leads to people who are lucky to have a larger displacement vehicle. Most surprising is that it seems we're "looked down upon" in not having a respectable enough MB to this crowd. Don't you guys ever observe our W203 forum and how it's bustling with activity about trying to modify anything in the engine bay? Now that some us are "this" close to getting even more bolt on mods and support from big name tuners (i.e. Kleemann) doesn't that show that there is massive interest in getting the car to be quicker? It's crazy how much heat we get about "staying in our place" with this car, haha, especially within the same crowd.

I think 99% of us who own C230 realize the car isn't as fast as we'd like it, but we tend to be more reserved and do what we can with the car to give it an extra edge (because we know it's not a C55.. yet ). We also enjoy that we are driving the MB brand and for some of us it's our first MB and I'm sure we'll all move up in the future.

I don't see the wrongness in pulling on VR6s or A4s either, then again I'm not exactly bone stock either. I could probably post another kill story on a Honda VTEC yesterday night in the city but deny myself countless times to not receive this kind of reprise all over again. I actually would enjoy a little friendly display of speed vs. tedypedy as well. Speaking of the 'ol coupe - where the hell is Tom/nukblazi? - he could probably tell us all about it.

Anyway, hats off to the fortunate, I'm gonna go find a broken violin to play off my sorrows.

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Regardless of how fast the C230 is or how slow it is, the fact of the matter is that I am in a Mercedes, and they're not...case closed.
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Regardless of how fast the C230 is or how slow it is, the fact of the matter is that I am in a Mercedes, and they're not...case closed.
Hmmm, i would say not. An A4 2.0T is much more of a car than a C230. As is a 330...

I would equate the C230 to BMW's old 318ti. Yeah it has the same name as the other cars in the line, but it just aint the same as the rest of the line...

Just my opinion.
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It's funny how people who drive 230s criticize people with faster cars than them for being arrogant, yet they say things like midnight did...

"Regardless of how fast the C230 is or how slow it is, the fact of the matter is that I am in a Mercedes, and they're not...case closed."

Yeh, that's not arrogant at all is it...
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jesus christ man can you read or not, where the F*CK does it say I keep up with M3's, how old are you? You are still disputing somthing I dont claim where did you lose the functioning part of your brain...Typing on a forum does not call for MLA format or any other formal writing and you using a semi colon is not going to impress me I've seen your posts and your spelling, I would quote your other posts but typing a response to your retarded comment is wasting my life as it is and however old you may be you certainly give the impression that you are a spoiled 10 year old kid. Notice that you didnt use apostrophe's in "M3s and Rs4s..." did you graduate high school? You criticize me and then make your own hipocritical error, clearly whatever got you that SL is luck because it sure as hell wasnt wits, and I recall disputes that you even own that car because of your **** poor class attitude and antics. There are 7.0 0-60mph ferraris and no one calls them slow because its still a ferrari, your judgement is purely bias to whatever predisposition you have, and to reinforce that conclusion you dispute arguments that were never made. 333hp E46 = rape at will of any 7 second car im no different
Couple points:

I'm in my 40's.

I did not ask you type a formal paragraph or use excellent grammar, rather you use periods and such so I know when you start a new sentence on a new topic.

See above point for "M3 and RS4" comment you made.

Disputes of vehicle ownership? Idiot, I put together the June 11th meet in 2005, which I attended and carried out, and I also have attended other meets.

Impressing you is not on my To-do-list.

That 0-60 in 7 seconds Ferrari IS SLOW.

Go ahead and quote me from my previous posts.

You wasted your life simply commenting back to me.

You spelled "hipocritical" wrong; it's hypocritical. How "hipocritical" of you.

You did NOT capitalize the "F" in "ferrari".

You had numerous run-on sentences.

"Wasnt" needs an apostrophe, where the hell was it you moron?

I could keep correcting you, but I needn't do so as I believe you got the point here. Again, I'm not asking for super-duper excellent english, just a little structure so I can read what points you've to make.

Simple?

Now, go and kill more "M3s and RS4s"
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[QUOTE=milllx]It's funny how people who drive 230s criticize people with faster cars than them for being arrogant, yet they say things like midnight did...

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I don't believe I specifically criticized anyone with a faster car than me. The fact of the matter is this, just as every other Mercedes owner can vouch; I don't care if I win a race by 9 car lengths, or stall on the line, becuase at the end of the day, I'm the one parking MY mercedes in MY garrage. Some call it arrogance, for others, it's pride...and either way, I win...I've already won.
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Originally Posted by Midnight Bullet
I don't believe I specifically criticized anyone with a faster car than me. The fact of the matter is this, just as every other Mercedes owner can vouch; I don't care if I win a race by 9 car lengths, or stall on the line, becuase at the end of the day, I'm the one parking MY mercedes in MY garrage. Some call it arrogance, for others, it's pride...and either way, I win...I've already won.
I don't have anything against you-- you've provided some much needed entertainment to this site; mainly by bringing out TP.

What a clown.

Regardless, no offence to yourself, but I don't believe a C230 will outrun an A4. I could be wrong as I've never driven a C230 and HAVE an A4, but unless a video is posted the incontrovertible proof, mainly the dyno graph & magazine(s), points to TP being a liar and the C230 being slower than the A4; stock or otherwise.

I'd love to see a video though. That's probably the only way to figure out which is faster.

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Originally Posted by Lexani
Ahahahaha! Holy **** man stop typing!!!!

I can't take it anymore, I damn near fell off my chair laughing!

Thank god it was all a joke...

Right?

Ok, first, there's a lost concept (to you anyways) that YOU are not grasping:

Your vehicle, BY ANY STANDARDS, is NOT FAST!

You WILL NOT keep up with an M3. Ever. The guy can race you backwards, your still not going to pull on him. Honestly man, your stupidity and ego aside, your car cant catch a marathon runner.

Oh, and please, actually type like you graduated high school; your writing competes with fifth-graders. And even that...



Other than that, go out and kill some more M3s and RS4s...



Someone please race this Dr. Dre here. In an A4 or something...
I have to agree here. I'm unbiased in reading this thread, but TP, you really do sound rediculous trying to defend a C230 as a fast car. It is not and never will be. Sounds like a lot of ricer talk to me. Especially that comment about the weight difference. I don't know how old you are, but just because you drive a slow car does not make you less of a person so stop acting like you are being personally insulted when people are telling you the facts.
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I have to agree here. I'm unbiased in reading this thread, but TP, you really do sound rediculous trying to defend a C230 as a fast car. It is not and never will be. Sounds like a lot of ricer talk to me. Especially that comment about the weight difference. I don't know how old you are, but just because you drive a slow car does not make you less of a person so stop acting like you are being personally insulted when people are telling you the facts.

I don't know how many all inclusive posts I can make but saying the C230 isn't slow is not saying that it beats SLR's there is middle ground that it seems most of the posters here cant grasp. A stock C230 has 192hp and a stock RSX-s has 200hp (some ricer facts for you). I've seen recorded times of a stock RSX-s doing low 6's to 60 (which beats the 330 and A4) and the torque on the benz is much higher than that of the RSX. People say the 330 is fast but the C230 is not...ok...good for you. I don't have a stock C230, I do have videos of races and I was in a DVD for DVInsight with a few A4's among other cars.

"Someone please race this Dr. Dre here." <---that makes sense to you lex luthor? criminal genius of metropolis and arch nemisis of superman? Did you just learn who Dr. Dre is so you felt you could use him in your daily posts?

Lexani I truly feel sorry for your state of life if your in your 40's and you are so bored and lonely that your only outlet is to argue with someone half your age on the internet about a car you know jack shet about. Btw I've never seen an old person say the word "owned" I'd like to see that so I can have my fair share of laughs as well...unless of course that's your e-voice and you don't really talk like that in real life...which would ruin my chance at fun Going back and pointing out mispelled words and such is fine with me if it makes you happy, the fact of the matter is that the amount of time it takes me to write is significantly less than what it takes you to go back into your websters Pocketsize and find out if you need to capitalize the F in ferrari or not or how to spell "hypoctritical." It's faster to alternate from index to middle finger opposed to reusing the index when typing HIpocritical which is the reason its spelled that way, so I can get on with my day and be productive as well as make your hairline dissapear just a little bit more as this thread progresses. I'm aiming at GWAM I really don't care about how easy it is for you to read because clearly you understood the post. I've never even seen an RS4 in person, I don't know why you keep talking about them, but I'll add that to the unsolved mysteries of lexani. As for the tone and language in your posts, you should calm down, delay that heart attack for a football game or the spice channel, and remember if it stays hard for more than 6 hours, consult a physician regardless of which brand (viagra or sialis) you use. lol
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I don't know how many all inclusive posts I can make but saying the C230 isn't slow is not saying that it beats SLR's there is middle ground that it seems most of the posters here cant grasp. A stock C230 has 192hp and a stock RSX-s has 200hp (some ricer facts for you). I've seen recorded times of a stock RSX-s doing low 6's to 60 (which beats the 330 and A4) and the torque on the benz is much higher than that of the RSX. People say the 330 is fast but the C230 is not...ok...good for you. I don't have a stock C230, I do have videos of races and I was in a DVD for DVInsight with a few A4's among other cars.
Ok I'm not insulting you here but I have to say this. I saw your mod list and I don't see any big upgrades. I see a filter, an exhaust, a pulley, and an intercooler. Now if you think these mods make your car significantly faster, you're sounding like a ricer. The c230 is not a fast car. I don't know why you're talking about RSX's, 330's, and A4's. These are all four-bangers. The video you're referring to also sounds like it only has ricers in it. How about real cars like Vettes, AMG's and anything with a V8 or larger. Those are fast cars.
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Originally Posted by Chi500
Ok I'm not insulting you here but I have to say this. I saw your mod list and I don't see any big upgrades. I see a filter, an exhaust, a pulley, and an intercooler. Now if you think these mods make your car significantly faster, you're sounding like a ricer. The c230 is not a fast car. I don't know why you're talking about RSX's, 330's, and A4's. These are all four-bangers. The video you're referring to also sounds like it only has ricers in it. How about real cars like Vettes, AMG's and anything with a V8 or larger. Those are fast cars.
Chi, the 330 is an I-6. But TP also made a mistake in its stats, it will beat an RSX-s to 60 (5.9 sec). Ive also played with some RSXs and wasnt too impressed
https://mbworld.org/forums/kill-stories/131140-clk-320-downs-pair-acuras.html
But really, they arent that bad if you want something cheap to play around with.

TP, stop getting so pissed off. You're going to have a coronary or something. Put the videos up if you have em, i'd like to see them. As far as putting words in your mouth, that top 10 was copy and paste from your previous post history (look them up if you dont belive me). I bet you could trash this guy tho

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Originally Posted by tedypedy
I don't know how many all inclusive posts I can make but saying the C230 isn't slow is not saying that it beats SLR's there is middle ground that it seems most of the posters here cant grasp. A stock C230 has 192hp and a stock RSX-s has 200hp (some ricer facts for you). I've seen recorded times of a stock RSX-s doing low 6's to 60 (which beats the 330 and A4) and the torque on the benz is much higher than that of the RSX. People say the 330 is fast but the C230 is not...ok...good for you. I don't have a stock C230, I do have videos of races and I was in a DVD for DVInsight with a few A4's among other cars.


Go race some "RS4s and M3s".

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"Someone please race this Dr. Dre here." <---that makes sense to you lex luthor? criminal genius of metropolis and arch nemisis of superman? Did you just learn who Dr. Dre is so you felt you could use him in your daily posts?
LMAO! What?

I've actually listened to Dre since his days in NWA, along with Easy-E and a couple of other rap stars: Atmosphere, Mr Lif, Confidential, Wu-Tang Clan...

I said the Dre remark because of the picture King so kindly provided for us of yourself. You know, the one where you convinced yourself your a gangster... but you really look like a homo-wannabe-gangster? Yeah, that one.

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Lexani I truly feel sorry for your state of life if your in your 40's and you are so bored and lonely that your only outlet is to argue with someone half your age on the internet
It's actually Sunday right now, and Saturday before this, and I don't do much on the weekends. Thanks for being concerned about how I spend my time.

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about a car you know jack shet about.
I know it can't catch a Yugo.

Originally Posted by tedypedy
Btw I've never seen an old person say the word "owned"
40s is considered middle-aged, actually. 50, 60s + is old. And I don't mind being old anyways.

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I'd like to see that so I can have my fair share of laughs as well
Look in a mirror.

Originally Posted by tedypedy
unless of course that's your e-voice and you don't really talk like that in real life
No, in real life I avoid idiots.

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which would ruin my chance at fun
You still have the mirror.

Originally Posted by tedypedy
Going back and pointing out mispelled words and such is fine with me if it makes you happy
Yes, it makes me jump out of my seat with joy-- because after that, you respond back and furthermore make a bigger fool of yourself.

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the fact of the matter is that the amount of time it takes me to write is significantly less than what it takes you to go back into your websters Pocketsize and find out if you need to capitalize the F in ferrari or not or how to spell "hypoctritical."
I didn't look in my pocketsize Websters ("pocketsize" needn't be capitalized, only "Websters").

Ferrari. It's a name, a name is a noun, a noun is always capitalized. It's not rocket-science, it's 1st Grade English.

Originally Posted by tedypedy
It's faster to alternate from index to middle finger opposed to reusing the index when typing HIpocritical which is the reason its spelled that way
So you're an idiot because it's easier than being smarter?

Originally Posted by tedypedy
so I can get on with my day and be productive as well as make your hairline dissapear just a little bit more as this thread progresses.
Wow, a 20 year old has nothing better to do than argue with senior citizens. I'm willing to bet you are a virgin.

Originally Posted by tedypedy
I'm aiming at GWAM I really don't care about how easy it is for you to read because clearly you understood the post.
After some proof-reading, yes.

Originally Posted by tedypedy
I've never even seen an RS4 in person, I don't know why you keep talking about them
Because I like them.

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but I'll add that to the unsolved mysteries of lexani.
You do that, fax the whole list to me.

Originally Posted by tedypedy
As for the tone and language in your posts, you should calm down, delay that heart attack for a football game or the spice channel
I don't watch football.

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and remember if it stays hard for more than 6 hours, consult a physician regardless of which brand (viagra or sialis) you use. lol
That advice come from personal expeirence?

lol

All in all,
Congratulations TP! I've never seen anyone write so much, and say so little, for that you get another Lexani comment:

You sir, are an idiot!

And BTW: I listen to Dre, homie.

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Erik you are trully retarded,
Thanks

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.....just because he's saying I make these claims must mean thats true right?
No you are right, it does not.
But based on you post you wrote it as you really belived he was trying to catch up. This was IMO not anything simular to a race at all, well you where racing, he was not.

He had really tried you would have been pasted so fast you would look like you hit a brick wall.


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........ so suck my *****
No thanks, I pass on that, I`m not gay so you have to find another one for that one....

Originally Posted by tedypedy
, but if sum1 with a supercharged M3 thought my car was heavily modified simply because he had heard they were slow that should show you a little about your own opinion
No it only shows he was trying to be nice with you.

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Chi, the 330 is an I-6. But TP also made a mistake in its stats, it will beat an RSX-s to 60 (5.9 sec). Ive also played with some RSXs and wasnt too impressed
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131140
But really, they arent that bad if you want something cheap to play around with.

TP, stop getting so pissed off. You're going to have a coronary or something. Put the videos up if you have em, i'd like to see them. As far as putting words in your mouth, that top 10 was copy and paste from your previous post history (look them up if you dont belive me). I bet you could trash this guy tho
Sorry about that, it was early in the morning, I was thinking of the 325. Either way it's still not a fast car.
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Well Lex, I got some footage for ya tonight. Once again, I took the A4. And ofcourse my luck would have it, a VR6 happen to find us on the highway tonight. This time, he took me, so I've come to the conclusion that either the other guy missed a gear, or just sucks at driving. But as for the A4, that ones in the books. Ill be sure to send you the video evidence as soon as I can get it on my pc ( I am on dial up till the end of the week, so uploading is a *****) Ill have it for ya as soon as I can.
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Originally Posted by Midnight Bullet
Well Lex, I got some footage for ya tonight. Once again, I took the A4. And ofcourse my luck would have it, a VR6 happen to find us on the highway tonight. This time, he took me, so I've come to the conclusion that either the other guy missed a gear, or just sucks at driving. But as for the A4, that ones in the books. Ill be sure to send you the video evidence as soon as I can get it on my pc ( I am on dial up till the end of the week, so uploading is a *****) Ill have it for ya as soon as I can.
What year was the A4 you took?
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Originally Posted by Midnight Bullet
Well Lex, I got some footage for ya tonight. Once again, I took the A4. And ofcourse my luck would have it, a VR6 happen to find us on the highway tonight. This time, he took me, so I've come to the conclusion that either the other guy missed a gear, or just sucks at driving. But as for the A4, that ones in the books. Ill be sure to send you the video evidence as soon as I can get it on my pc ( I am on dial up till the end of the week, so uploading is a *****) Ill have it for ya as soon as I can.
I raced a VR6 and he beat me pretty bad, the guy said he just had intake but he was beating alot of cars that no1 thought he should be beating. It turned out he was using nos Haven't raced ones since....but I raced one of those new R32's and even with a head start he beat me from a rolling 45-110mph easy. The VR6
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Sorry about that, it was early in the morning, I was thinking of the 325. Either way it's still not a fast car.
46 325i is also a I6 car, even the E46 320i is. maybe still to early for you. :p
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46 325i is also a I6 car
Yah, how'd i miss that? My little sister has one. As for the 330's merit. I can understand how one might question a 330i's merit, but a 330Ci (w/sport package) is a pretty strong car with the 6-spd.
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Originally Posted by King320
Yah, how'd i miss that? My little sister has one. As for the 330's merit. I can understand how one might question a 330i's merit, but a 330Ci (w/sport package) is a pretty strong car with the 6-spd.
didnt they start upgrading the hp on the 330i's a cpl yrs ago? i recall reading it would get a power boost or somthing like that to make it more appealing as a sport car. My neighbor has a red one that was stolen right out of their garage in broad daylight. It was found later unharmed near palm springs a few hours away but the crazy part is that the 330i is by far the ****tiest car they own. This guy owns an enzo(red) and a carrera GT(silver), if his garage was open and all the keys are on the rack in the garage why not take one of the supercars!?
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I love it. Your neighbor has a bunch of half a mil. cars and you're stuck with a car that costs as much as mine.. maybe.

Awesome neighborhood.


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