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hey isn't Car & Driver the one that said the C6 Z06 ran a 12.3 , when in reality the car is an 11.7 car

SL BRABUS

humm........ I have to check this one out......I always compare those 3 magazine....... Road & Track, Car & Driver, and Motortrend... .... Road & Track always have a slower time compare to Car & Driver, and Motortrend..... Motortrend full of ...... I don't even bother reading it.....

Improviz

It is quite simply impossible for you to tell the truth about anything, is it? Those were videos. And as I said: I've been to the track. You haven't. So for you to keep recycling this "magazine racer" crap is a joke of the highest order.

Wouldn't it be funny if you went to a strip and did it instead of talking about it? The timeslips over at Corvetteforum.com show that ONE guy, supposedly, ran a 12.5 bone stock, and that nine or ten others ran in the high 12's to low 13's. Here is the list:
And from it, here are the "Showroom Stock" numbers for the four-speed autos:
12.56 @ 112.00 - Orange C6 - 05 Z51 A4
12.71 @ 111.00 - Demented - 05 Z51 A4
12.74 @ 108.67 - Shooter 49 - 05 A4 3.15
12.83 @ 109.44 - Tommy D - 05 A4 3.15
12.97 @ 108.00 - Ginny C6 - 05 F55 A4
12.98 @ 108.00 - Tampa Vet - 05 A4 3.15
13.26 @ 105.30 - Joeking - 05 Z51 A4
13.62 @ 106.18 - Rich28 - 05 Z51 A4

To a logical, rational person who actually knows something about cars, it shows that not every car off of the production line a) weighs the same, b) has the same horsepower, or c) performs the same. (This is due to "production tolerances", a phrase you should investigate. Google it.)

To you, the fact that one guy ran this time proves that every C6 Auto4 corvette ever produced should be able to run this time, and that if these evil, awful car magazine testers who test cars for a living didn't hit it, well, that just goes to show that they're liars and corvette haters, and if these other drivers didn't match it perfectly, well, they're just incompetent.

This attitude proves that you've never been to a strip, and really don't know that just any driver isn't going to crack off a mid 12 in a high performance sports car, automatic or not. There is skill involved in doing this, AND on top of this, the cars' performance WILL vary from vehicle to vehicle. Some runs faster than others, as they say....

Oh, yeah, that's it...I hate corvettes and Z06's which is why I "impregnate" every thread with those awful, nasty facts that you don't want to hear, like actual times run by actual owners and actual objective, scientifically conducted magazine tests, or "bs" as you call it (and of course, any timeslip you provide, or magazine article you cite, is The Gold Standard, the Word of God). Yes, that's it...this intense hatred of corvettes also explains I was arguing with Mercedes owners, in this very forum, about how a Z06 would beat all of these other cars, in this thread (<= hint: this is a link. Click it). Yeah, just look at me there, hating on the new Z06. Clearly I am a corvette-hater.

The fact is that I've got more objectivity in my little finger than you've got in your whole body. I look at evidence, dispassionately and objectively. And you're in for a surprise when you run an SLK55 and a CLK55.

Still waiting for that 12.5 timeslip. When are you going to stop talking about going to the track and do it?

Improviz

You weren't making a statement about what was happening at palmdale, you were making a statement about which car would win, period, full stop.

Anyway, the videos show what the cars are capable of. Hopefully someone will bring one for the meet.

Falco

All right...all of you...Troll Alert!!! this is a thread about a SLK55 and a C4S....next person to argue about another car and how it is faster than either of these 2 cars will forever be cast as a TROLL...

Thericker

Oooo ooo I guess that'll be me.....Improviz I'll take the day off from work an go to the track tomorrow & purposely run a 19.9999 and post it here, If you'll never post another Boring, Long Winded, Self Aggrandizing, Monologue again! Whatdya say there big mouth?

ash-c32

go away you two

youve ruined one thread already

Thericker

Even funnier, You keep throwing up this Car&Driver article how the SLK55 bested the C6 manual When from that list you posted from CorvetteForum.com BONE STOCK C6 M6's reported times of 12.23 @115.58-06cgfvr w/4 other M6 C6's in the 12.40's But you wont list these times, You only Advertise that Car&Driver article a quadrillionnnnnnn times.....Your a joker anything to try to make the C6 look inferior to a heavier less powered benz
I love Mercedes also but up your meds &/or get some therapy guy.

Improviz

You don't drive an M6. You drive an four speed auto. We are discussing your car's capabilities, not those of an M6 which everyone but you admits is faster.

Here's a video for you. C6 w/ 4 spd auto vs. C5 Z06 w/ 6m. Both cars have 400 horsepower. Both cars have 400 lb-ft of torque. Yet look what happens in the roll-on runs, and look at what happens even when the C6 auto gets a half-second jump on the hole shot:
Click here for video:

I will look forward to you posting your 12.5 timeslip and video.

Yellow R1

Ricker, I mentioned an MN6 C6 would not pull an SLK55 in the Quarter mile (which is true). You can look at multiple sources & they all come up with the 2 cars being within .1 sec of one another.....its a driver's race at that point. Yes, an MN6 C6 will pull an SLK55 up top (barely) but how useful/practical is that? .......I can see it now, "Hey, wanna race from 110 - 130 mph?"

SL, the same goes for the C4S (only the Carrera 4S is behind the SLK in every instance by .1 to .2 sec). They are very evenly matched cars (all 3 of them). In a straight line - its a toss up. The C6 has better handling (slalom & lateral Gs), the AMG better braking, & the 911....errr, better snow traction!

Improviz - agree with your posts regarding car performance, etc (some are Ringers, some are optioned up & aren't quite as sprite).

See ya,
-Matt

Thericker

Man you are far an away the most annoying last word hoar I've ever seen.
Furthermore I brought up C6 M6 results from your links because you keep posting that Car&Driver article, and keep saying neither M6 or A4 has a shot at besting the SLK55.
Lastly we don't know what gears that guy in the Video has probably 2.73's also you call that a half sec head start man you are so full os sheeahht it's funny.
I'm officially done beating this dead horse, I'll let the race next week speak for me. Till then

SL BRABUS

you wrong bro...........Pick up the August 2006 Road & Track mag......911 C4S faster than the SLK 55.......... even the Audi RS4 & C6 faster than SLK55....I not even going to bother get into it.......

C4S 0-60 in 4.1 sec.....
C4S 1/4miles 12.6@110.2

SLK55 0-60 in 4.5 sec....
SLK55 1/4miles 12.9@109.8

C6 0-60 in 4.5 sec....
C6 1/4miles 12.8 @114.5

SLK55R

I think most of us, that are rational, would say that the C4S or C2S, C6, and the SLK are all within tenths of each other. Some mags have the SLK a bit faster ... some have the other cars a bit faster.

As such it is going to be a drivers race. I believe that was the point that Matt was trying to get across.

Either way I'd be happy to race any of those cars. I'd even be happy to race a turbo or Z06 ... (I'd probably lose but it would be a fun race)

Btw I'd love to see the convertible numbers for the porsche and corvette. (had to throw in a last dig!)

Improviz

...thericker, instead of making excuses and trying to simply dismiss as irrelavent any data which does not support your argument, you could resolve this whole thing in about 13 seconds or so by simply going to the track, running the 12.5 you keep claiming you can run, and videotaping it. Then, you could amaze us all with your 12.5 @ 115+ run. So why don't you do it? Perhaps because you know you can't?

As I said: I will look forward to you posting your 12.5 timeslip and video. I will also look forward to seeing video of you pulling an SLK55, and beating a CLK55 by "BUSLENGTHS" as you claimed you could do.

ps: yes, the C6 got a half second head start in the standing start run. Load it up in some good video-editing SW and look for yourself. A jump like this would have got it a 4-5 carlength victory if the cars were equal, but it won by only one length, which shows (as did the two rolling start runs where the Z06 ran away from it) that the Z06 is far faster. And I love how you were arguing before that your car is at its best from rolling start runs, but of course after I post a video showing one getting wasted in two rolling start runs, you try to focus on the standing start run even though it was obvious that the C6 jumped on it first. But the reason is obvious: the rolling start runs show that you're absolutely flat-out wrong in your assertion that the four speed auto is as fast as the manual six, and we can't have that, now can we?

pps: the time you keep bragging about and acting like any and all four speed C6's can hit was supposedly done by a car with a 2.73; all 3.15 rearend cars on that list are clearly marked as such:

12.56 @ 112.00 - Orange C6 - 05 Z51 A4
12.71 @ 111.00 - Demented - 05 Z51 A4
12.74 @ 108.67 - Shooter 49 - 05 A4 3.15
12.83 @ 109.44 - Tommy D - 05 A4 3.15
12.97 @ 108.00 - Ginny C6 - 05 F55 A4
12.98 @ 108.00 - Tampa Vet - 05 A4 3.15
13.26 @ 105.30 - Joeking - 05 Z51 A4
13.62 @ 106.18 - Rich28 - 05 Z51 A4

As can be clearly seen: the two fastest are NOT 3.15:1; the fastest 3.15:1 car ran a 12.7 @ 108 --which is exactly the same time as those evil lying corvette haters at edmunds.com ran in theirs, and a whopping 1 mph faster than edmunds got. (Dang, there I go again, "impregnating" the thread with those nasty li'l ol facts!)

So clearly, if all of these big, bad four speed autos were just as fast as the six speeds, you wouldn't see a C5 Z06 walking away like that from the car in the video in both of the rolling-start runs. Nor would you see a 4-5 mph trap speed difference between the fastest M6 cars and the fastest A4 cars, which anyone can see for themselves by looking at the corvette forums list of fastest owner times, here. But it's pretty obvious to all by now that you aren't interested in facts.

ppps: there you go again: after claiming magazine results are "bs" in one post, here you are in another cheering them when SL posted them.

Or at least you did, until you figured out it undercut your argument and deleted the post, lol....but not fast enough. I saw it, and can have the mods verify it, and I'm sure that some people received it in the email updates.

Come back when you've got some video and timeslips. Talk is cheap.

Improviz

??? Where are you getting your numbers? They're certainly not from Car & Driver's test for either the SLK55 *or* the C4S; your numbers are wrong for both the SLK55 AND the Porsche. Here are two links for you to Car & Driver's road test info for both:

Car & Driver's test of SLK55 AMG:
Zero to 30 mph: 1.6
40 mph: 2.3
50 mph: 3.2
60 mph: 4.3
70 mph: 5.4
80 mph: 7.0
90 mph: 8.5
100 mph: 10.3
110 mph: 12.6
120 mph: 15.3
130 mph: 18.4
140 mph: 22.2
150 mph: 28.0
Street start, 5-60 mph: 4.6
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 2.3
50-70 mph: 2.9
Standing 1/4-mile: 12.7 sec @ 111 mph

Car & Driver's test of C4S:

Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 10.2 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 28.4 sec
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.0 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.8 sec @ 111 mph

So, in these two tests, 1) the Porsche ties the Benz to 60, is slower to 100, 150, and the 1/4 mile.

*Plus*, have a look at the rolling-start 5-60 mph runs they did for both cars, where they punch it at 5mph and run to 60. This eliminates the launch advantage and tells you which one is faster from a rolling start run. The Mercedes KILLS the Porsche in this race, 4.6 seconds to 5.0. Why? Because the Porsche has AWD, which allows it to get a much more agressive launch than the Benz. This allows it to run a much faster 60' time, which as I'm sure a seasoned drag race expert like you is aware shortens their 1/4 mile time by 0.2 for every 0.1 faster they run in 60'. But their 5-60 times show what happens when you take this advantage away, in a rolling start run. It also shows that for most drivers, the Benz is gonna win pretty much every time, because most drivers can't launch those things that consistently, as I'm also sure a seasoned track pro like you is aware.

Lastly, the time you are citing for the C6 corvette is a manual, six-speed car. These are faster than the four speed autos, as can be plainly seen by looking at the cars' cumulative drag race times, magazine tests, and the video i posted above. Remember: thericker does NOT drive a six-speed manual, but a four-speed auto.

Here's edmunds.com's test of a four-speed auto. Cj6 corvette. Their time: 12.7 seconds at 107 mph. Click for edmunds.com test:

SL BRABUS

read my post.... ..!! I guess you don't read....... all you know is how to read the Car & Driver crap......... I have to repeat myself do I......... Road & Track........ Why you keep bring up Car & Driver crap........ I bet you hang the Car & Driver test result up on the wall.........

Thericker

I love it!! Improv does do just that!! Repeat himself!! Phukers like a goddamn Parrot Akkk slk55 Akkk slk55 Akkk faster than anything Akkkkkkk Car&Driver Akkkkkkkkkk .1 seconds

Thericker

Hey Dumbass You don't know crap about Vette's!! All 2005 C6 A4 Z-51's have 3.15 perf gears, the other ones note 3.15 on your list because it's an OPTION!! Even though they don't have the Z51 package just like me, they opted for the 3.15's
Only the very base C6 A4 came standard w/2.73's back in 2005

Improviz

It would seem that now, you are arguing that a numerically higher gear ratio makes a car faster, yes?

And yet, when I pointed out, in this post, that the CLK55's more agressive gearing produces wheel torque percentages (compared to the 3.15:1 C6 corvette) of 107%, 123%, 129%, and 130% respectively in gears 1 thru four, you responded by calling me a bunch of names:

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but the above seemed to be somewhat of an attempt to counter my assertion that more agressive (by which I mean higher numerically, to aid your rather limited comprehension) gearing makes a car faster. And yet now you are arguing precisely the opposite. So, which is it, the*****er?

Does more agressive gearing make a car faster, or not? Yes or no.

And another question: if it does, how exactly does it work?

Thericker

Seriously, did your mother drop you on your head or something?? I never argued about more agressive gears, I was arguing that you don't need the 7 speeds of the slk55 to run a fast 1/4, Some of the fastest 1/4 miles are had w/the 4 speed auto w/proper amount of HP and slicks.. All you really need is 3 gears end of story.

Thericker

I allready did w/your Stupid ASSUMPTION that all 2005 Z51 A4's have higher than 3.15 gear ratios
ps.. Why don't you do us all a favor and take a looooooong walk off a short pier

Improviz

Wow, that's very interesting, Thericker, because that discussion was not about an SLK55, it was about a CLK55--as I just pointed out in the post to which it is you are replying. So who's mother dropped whom, Thericker??

Secondly, as you also seemingly failed to comprehend both when I presented it in the CLK55 debate and now in this one: I never said anything ABOUT running through seven gears to run a 1/4 mile. What I did write was that in gears one through four, the CLK55 has more agressive gearing than the C6 four speed auto 3.15:1 corvette. I then multiplied (engine torque)x(gear ratio)x(final drive ratio) for both the C6 four speed auto 3.15:1 corvette, and showed that the torque at the wheels of the CLK55, in first through third gears, the gears you would use to run the 1/4 mile, was 107%, 123%, and 129% that of the 'vette.

Got that, *****er: you see, you start off a 1/4 mile race in first gear, then shift to second, and then to third. Right? And the gearing of the corvette is so weak that in all three gears, the Benz will put more torque to the wheels, starting 1,000 rpm lower, than the corvette. And this doesn't even consider the FACT that automatic corvettes "feature" a torque reduction system, discussed HERE, which electronically limits the amount of torque the engine can deliver to the engine. So that means that the actual numbers are LOWER than what I calculated for the max wheel torque, which means that the CLK55 has an EVEN HIGHER edge on wheel torque than the numbers above.

Which in no way, shape, or form contradicts or refutes what I wrote.

So, I repeat, thericker: does more agressive gearing make a car faster?

And if it doesn't, please explain how a BMW M3, with a max of 262 lb-ft of torque, can run the 1/4 mile in the mid 13's, the same as the C5s were tested with 350 lb-ft of torque and which were a few hundred pounds lighter.

Again: you can't have it both ways. Does gearing make a car faster, or not, and if so, why?

Thericker

Hey are you going to purpose to me or something? What's w/all the nonsense back n' forth?
A)I will race both CLK55, & SLK55 next week I'm betting I'll beat both, Can you hold your water till then?

vraa

thericker: quit with the name callings bro.
Next time is 7 day ban.

Thericker

No prob man....This guy just doesn't get it