cobra4v04

I toyed with a newer S600 on a rather empty stretch of interstate recently, to be correct the MB driver harassed me and I proceeded to let him know that his car was not the fastest vehicle on the road at that time. I was impressed that his barge of a vehicle was as quick as it was though.

I'm under the impression that the S600 is a V12 twin-turbo automatic? I was driving my 2004 Cobra that is stock other than exhaust and intake, stock blower pulley and stock gearing. What kind of performance do these cars have in terms of 1/4 Mile and mid range acceleration like 50-70, 80-100, etc.
His only advantage was his presumably automatic transmission, at around 75mph he could put the pedal down and jump on me but once I dropped down gears I would easily catch and pass him and out distance him with no sign of him catching up well past 120-130

We ran twice from around 75mph to well over 120-130, as well as some much slower speeds. I figured after probably 2 minutes or so of excessively high speeds on the interstate that it was only a matter of time till the police got involved so the last time I slowed down and he caught up he gave me the thumbs up and I got off the Interstate at the next exit.

kenstudios

Post this on the "SPEED CHANNEL" (kill forum), not on the "slow po enjoy your car channel". We here obey the law and pamper our babies. I don't condon high speed driving but the numbers on a 600 hundred are high like 0-60 in a month and a half. Just so you know his top speed is not in the 130 range. With a limiter he can run 155 and not break a sweat. Without the limiter ...................... You get the picture.

Jakpro1

????????????????????????????

From Dragtimes.com

2 S600's ran 12.5 and simple ECU mod's ran 11.5. Juuuuuust a tick faster than a month and a half.

kenstudios

Why give the boy what he wants? He wants to prove that his cobra (390hp V8) car is faster than a 492hp V12 from MB.

Jakpro1

Your right Ken....sorry, my bad.

Mr Cobra...next time you see an S600, feel free to line up next to him.

Hope you hook up perfectly. Otherwise he'll hand you the key to Kill City.

Z06 Vettes have God of all hell fire motor, but they are all having trouble hooking that power up. (cept Ranger of course)

Ahhh, the beauty of 4500lbs shifting weight to the rear tires.....HOOK!!

red00lght

OK...comparing a $35k P.O.S. Ford to a $124K V12 TT four door loaded with every feature you'd ever want and then some is a ridiculous comparison, but I can't resist his post.

Here are the stats you are looking for from car and driver July 2003. S600 0-60 in 4.3 and the 1/4 mile in 12.5 at 115...skidpad .86g

Cobra 2003 April Car and driver issue...0-60 4.6, 1/4 mile 12.9 skidpad .85g.

One ECU mod by Renntech and the S600 is in the 11's. Looks like the "barge" beats you in every catagory Mr. Cobra!

Wolfman

Also, keep in mind that most people won't know the difference between model years and easily mistake the older naturally aspirated V12's or 55's with the newer ones.

Either way, unless heavily modded, Cobras won't represent a big challenge particularly at above 100mph

Wolfman

absent

You were playing with '01/'02 S600 (360hp).
'03 and newer would leave you for dead.........

vraa

Moving to Kill Stories.

Chappy

Here in GA, I personally witnessed a stock W220 S600 (V12 TT) run 12.2 in the quarter. At highway speeds, it would be really hard to catch!

TopGun32

this is correct...

S600 (03+) is equal in performance to a stock E55

there is no way you ran a newer v12 bi turbo...it was the older engine.

sorry to disappoint you.

I have seen 2 videos of Cobras (with pulleys and drags) going down to stock e55 with drags therefore the story does not add up.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/e55/0.htm

search for S600 and you will find a 11.8 119MPH MB...

Unfortunately, your story does not add up. Good write up and welcome aboard.

Vomit

Author does not really say how fast he pulled. If it was a car or so, the story is possible. If it was buslengths, then he either raced a pre-03 S600, or the story is


With intake and exhaust, a S/C Cobra will run a mid 12 quarter mile, which is about the same as the average stock post-03 S600. Why is it so unbelievable that the Cobra could have pulled the 600?

absent

Because the way he described his encounter(acceleration on a roll,dropping gears in Ford allowing to pass S600 at full boil,etc),makes the story plausible only in case of '02 and older Benz.

newton22

Or maybe its because Mercedes owners are so arrogant that we refuse to accept stories of Benzes losing.

I'm not defending the Cobra owner, and don't care for the legitmacy of his story, but seriously, when two cars are going at each other, I could care less about the interior quality of any of the two cars. I'm tired of the "well, I have pulsating seats!!!" excuse/attitude.

pcviewer

Doesn't the S600 have a speed limiter that cuts in at ~130mph? If so, it is expected for the Cobra to just pull hard after those speeds.

Seems like the Ford bashing is kind of misplaced in my opinion. This guy didn't come in here bashing MBZ. Just informed about a kill story and wanted some information about the S600.

vraa

Well it kinda is a valid excuse, why else would you buy something that fast blindingly fast and expensive?

SL BRABUS

no wonder I beat the 600 with my rice rocket.. ...cause it max out at 130mph..... ....and I though my rice rocket it fast.. . ....

lovem5wantm6

It suprises me that so many of you guys would fall for this. The oldest trick on the net. Cross posting a kill story from a newbie. Come on guys!!!! The S600 would rape a cobra (stock of course) and look better doind it. Nuff said.

newton22

I know, its a nice feature, but it does nothing obviously for performance.

Well, some kids like to believe it adds high end power.

And I thought the limiter kicked in at 155 for the S600?

RennTechV12

http://www.scottsdaleexoticcarclub.com/2003s600rt.html

04S600AMG

Quote:

Originally Posted by cobra4v04

I toyed with a newer S600 on a rather empty stretch of interstate recently, to be correct the MB driver harassed me and I proceeded to let him know that his car was not the fastest vehicle on the road at that time. I was impressed that his barge of a vehicle was as quick as it was though.

I have a 2004 Twin Turbo V12 S600 that aside from K&N filters is totally stock. I have "played" with the same vintage Cobra Mustang you mentioned and EASILY handed him his rear end on all 3 attempts he made to drag race me from around 60 or 70. I have also done the same to a new 2011 Camaro SS which obviously had an aftermarket exhaust, a G37s, Challenger SRT8, 370z and even a 750cc Suzuki. I'm telling you this car is an 800lb Gorilla in a tuxedo. Also please note that although there are cars out there, (not many but a few) that can match and even in some cases beat the hp numbers of my car there aren't very many also pushing 600 lbft of torque. Also you have to know how to drive these cars. You will get some turbo lag if you don't know what you are doing. I just down shift into either 2nd or 3rd and let the rev's get up then when the other guy decides to go for it I have virtually zero lag and whoosh, I'M GONE!!!!

For the record, a stock Cobra has a hp - weight ratio of 9.39lbs - hp, which is slightly worse than the S600 which has a 9.35lbs - hp. However torque is where the S600 is king with 7.81lbs - lbft of torque compared to the Cobra's 9.39lbs - lbft of torque. Even with air cleaner and exhaust upgrades to the Cobra it is doubtful you would overcome this deficit with such drastic results as you described above.

Also for all of the uninitiated out there that find themselves in a high speed race with a 2003 or newer S600, after the S600 has blown your doors off and you all of a sudden find yourself gaining and even passing him on the top end, be advised, it isn't because you have the more powerful car. The U.S. spec'ed S600 is top speed limited to no higher than an instrumented 130 mph. from zero to 129.9999 these things pull like a raped ape and I have heard that cars that have had their limiter removed can routinely see the 180's +.

I have read other posts that condemn the type of driving I am describing here and I ask why? Why in the heck would you buy the S600 if you weren't going to "play" with it. If all I wanted was the luxury I could have spent less on an S500 or S430. I only wish I could have picked up an S63 or S65.

Donning asbestos underwear, flame on.

Brian

BK63amg

lol this might be a new record for oldest thread dragged back from the dead on this forum!

04S600AMG

Bahahah, I agree. I just couldn't let it rest where it stopped though. I have owned some very fast cars but it was always a trade off. Either they were fast yet uncomfortable to drive, or they were comfortable but lacked grunt. This S600 is so amazing the way it pulls like an ultra smooth and quiet freight train. I never knew you could get this kind of power and speed in such a refined package. And when I switch into ultra **** economy mode I actually get around 23.5 mpg on the freeway. Absolutely Amazing!!

Take care,

Brian

CharlyE500

The OP might raced 2000 - 2002 S600 without Turbo. I believe they do have side badge V12 but heck big different in performance !