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I have to say good job of owning up to what ScottW911 said to you. Many people that get criticized as you did get very defensive and try to justify their actions and call the criticizer a troll.
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Not to rain on your parade, but the 997TT was playing with you. My 997TT pulls on my SL55 K2 and Porsche under rates their engines a bit. A good driver in a broken in 997TT will leave you behind very quickly, with or without his overboost engaged.
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More likely than not, the 997 Turbo wasn't broken in and had to lay low on the RPMs, get that thing up to 6K in 3rd and it pulls like a jet! Not to mention you were on the highway, the 911 tops out at 190+, but you were there, not I.
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as expected the 997 TT is a superb machine...
The Stage 2 C32 probably surprised the P owner. But I also think the P car was not pushing the car 100%.
But watching the races posted by Gustav, the new 997 TT is a highway beast.
It pulled an M6 pretty easily to 250kmh
Great write up and please dont keep going up to 175mph, we would like to hear more stories from you in the future.
The Stage 2 C32 probably surprised the P owner. But I also think the P car was not pushing the car 100%.
But watching the races posted by Gustav, the new 997 TT is a highway beast.
It pulled an M6 pretty easily to 250kmh
Great write up and please dont keep going up to 175mph, we would like to hear more stories from you in the future.
10-31-2006, 02:13 PM
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So, was it a 997 or was it 911 Turbo?
10-31-2006, 02:50 PM
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Thanks!
10-31-2006, 07:50 PM
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Nice "death". FWIW, I don't doubt your post whatsoever.
Both cars are within 50 lbs of eachother. He's likely got another 60 whp on your C32 or about 17% more power to the wheels (assuming you are ~ 360 dynojet rwhp...load bearing dynos like Mustang dynos post ~ 10 - 12% less power than dynojets). So, you got pulled...not destroyed.
I also don't think the P car owner was having a leisurely drive, "not pushing it" like some of the posters in this thread indicate. Repeated pulls from 70 - 130 mph are not "leisurely", nor is 175 mph.....that guy had his foot to the firewall. Period.
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Both cars are within 50 lbs of eachother. He's likely got another 60 whp on your C32 or about 17% more power to the wheels (assuming you are ~ 360 dynojet rwhp...load bearing dynos like Mustang dynos post ~ 10 - 12% less power than dynojets). So, you got pulled...not destroyed.
I also don't think the P car owner was having a leisurely drive, "not pushing it" like some of the posters in this thread indicate. Repeated pulls from 70 - 130 mph are not "leisurely", nor is 175 mph.....that guy had his foot to the firewall. Period.
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Nice "death". FWIW, I don't doubt your post whatsoever.
Both cars are within 50 lbs of eachother. He's likely got another 60 whp on your C32 or about 17% more power to the wheels (assuming you are ~ 360 dynojet rwhp...load bearing dynos like Mustang dynos post ~ 10 - 12% less power than dynojets). So, you got pulled...not destroyed.
I also don't think the P car owner was having a leisurely drive, "not pushing it" like some of the posters in this thread indicate. Repeated pulls from 70 - 130 mph are not "leisurely", nor is 175 mph.....that guy had his foot to the firewall. Period.
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Both cars are within 50 lbs of eachother. He's likely got another 60 whp on your C32 or about 17% more power to the wheels (assuming you are ~ 360 dynojet rwhp...load bearing dynos like Mustang dynos post ~ 10 - 12% less power than dynojets). So, you got pulled...not destroyed.
I also don't think the P car owner was having a leisurely drive, "not pushing it" like some of the posters in this thread indicate. Repeated pulls from 70 - 130 mph are not "leisurely", nor is 175 mph.....that guy had his foot to the firewall. Period.
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Here is some info from another site.
Our cars original baseline:
~ 420 AWHP and 430 TQ on 91 octane. (495 HP, 510 TQ)
~ 425 AWHP and 450 TQ on 94 octane. (500 HP, 530 TQ)
I'm guessing the 997TT is a bit more slippery to.
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Unless you have a 997TT that is broken in and running on 93 you would never know. The 997TT has an awful lot of torque at very low RPMs. I have over 4500 miles on mine and have tracked it 3 times so far. It was a bad driver or a cautious driver on break in.
Here is some info from another site.
Our cars original baseline:
~ 420 AWHP and 430 TQ on 91 octane. (495 HP, 510 TQ)
~ 425 AWHP and 450 TQ on 94 octane. (500 HP, 530 TQ)
I'm guessing the 997TT is a bit more slippery to.
Here is some info from another site.
Our cars original baseline:
~ 420 AWHP and 430 TQ on 91 octane. (495 HP, 510 TQ)
~ 425 AWHP and 450 TQ on 94 octane. (500 HP, 530 TQ)
I'm guessing the 997TT is a bit more slippery to.
BTW, having torque at low RPMs is irrelavant. Nobody races at sub 4000 rpm engine speeds anyway (unless he/she is an idiot & manually holds the engine in low gear
). A blown V6 is also no torque slouch, but in any case, HP wins races.....not torque. Torque is "how much work can be done". HP is "how FAST the work gets done". Since both cars weigh the same & are doing roll ons - torque is pretty much a non factor.Last point. The C32 actually has a .27 Cd...the std 997's is a .28 (meaning the 997TT's going to be even worse given its wider track & tires). So, no, its not "slippier"...its worse (but likely offset the the C32's larger frontal area). So, in a nutshell, drag differntials between the 2 cars is likely a non factor.
At the end of the day, I give posters the benefit of the doubt. He was there, not me, not you, and I think people (in general) have better things to do than post lies on a MB car forum.
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If you believe the P car was being "cautious" during repeated pulls with a modded AMG from 70 - 130+....you are on your own on that belief. I have NEVER heard or seen anyone racing at those speeds driving an ultra high performance vehicle who "was being cautious"....especially when the rate of pull rate is the same is every instance - no matter what speed they started their roll.
BTW, having torque at low RPMs is irrelavant. Nobody races at sub 4000 rpm engine speeds anyway (unless he/she is an idiot & manually holds the engine in low gear ). A blown V6 is also no torque slouch, but in any case, HP wins races.....not torque. Torque is "how much work can be done". HP is "how FAST the work gets done". Since both cars weigh the same & are doing roll ons - torque is pretty much a non factor.
Last point. The C32 actually has a .27 Cd...the std 997's is a .28 (meaning the 997TT's going to be even worse given its wider track & tires). So, no, its not "slippier"...its worse (but likely offset the the C32's larger frontal area). So, in a nutshell, drag differntials between the 2 cars is likely a non factor.
At the end of the day, I give posters the benefit of the doubt. He was there, not me, not you, and I think people (in general) have better things to do than post lies on a MB car forum.
See ya,
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BTW, having torque at low RPMs is irrelavant. Nobody races at sub 4000 rpm engine speeds anyway (unless he/she is an idiot & manually holds the engine in low gear
). A blown V6 is also no torque slouch, but in any case, HP wins races.....not torque. Torque is "how much work can be done". HP is "how FAST the work gets done". Since both cars weigh the same & are doing roll ons - torque is pretty much a non factor.Last point. The C32 actually has a .27 Cd...the std 997's is a .28 (meaning the 997TT's going to be even worse given its wider track & tires). So, no, its not "slippier"...its worse (but likely offset the the C32's larger frontal area). So, in a nutshell, drag differntials between the 2 cars is likely a non factor.
At the end of the day, I give posters the benefit of the doubt. He was there, not me, not you, and I think people (in general) have better things to do than post lies on a MB car forum.
See ya,
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11-01-2006, 06:37 PM
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175?
And I thought 115 was a lot for me...
My SLK is electronically limited to 155 anyway, although the SLK55 is capable of going upto 200mph, with the 030 option.
And I thought 115 was a lot for me...
My SLK is electronically limited to 155 anyway, although the SLK55 is capable of going upto 200mph, with the 030 option.
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Don't get your panties twisted. At the end of the day I never said anyone was lieing. At the end of the day I own and drive a 997TT and I know what it can do. I also know what 997TT did to my SL55 K2. I have tracked the 997TT at Lime Rock and lapped Vettes (passed him twice) in a 25 min session and never left 3rd gear. I also raced a few cars during breakin and blew them away while never breaking 4000 rpms.
This thread is about the OP talking about a couple of friendly highway pulls with a fellow enthusiast - nothing more.
What you did in your car at Lime Rock to some Corvette driver (or to your SL55) is not relevant. What is relevant was the OPs story on how hard his modded AMG got pulled by a 997TT. He got pulled but did pretty well IMO - and had fun. You can doubt the 997's drivers skills or his wanting to floor the car all you wish - I just find it rather improbable for a 997 TT owner not to be pushing his car on repeated Hwy pulls with a modded AMG car (its been my experience & my opinion & I'm sticken' to it). You can disagree - its just not a big deal either way.
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Here we go again, P cars get no respect on this board. I'm not stating that's always the case, I understand that only facts can speak for themselves, so maybe for once we should just let it die? The kill stories section has become home to cry babies, IMO.
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I'm a big P fan... but I believe the story.
I don't, however, fully believe the track story by Scruffyone.
Limerock is 1.5 miles in length right?
Great track time is about 1min5sec meaning you get about 22 laps in 25 minutes.
So, you're saying that you lapped Vettes twice within 22 laps? Either those are ****ty Vettes or they're not pushing it hard. Correct me if I'm wrong on the times, but this is my understanding.
I personally lapped plenty of Vettes, Z06 and a GT3 in my SLK55. However, I know that while on the track, I was pushing it and they're weren't. I know I'll never beat a Z06 in any way even though I generally outrun most everyone at the HPDE events I attend. Track events, unless it's truly racing, mean nothing.
I don't, however, fully believe the track story by Scruffyone.
Limerock is 1.5 miles in length right?
Great track time is about 1min5sec meaning you get about 22 laps in 25 minutes.
So, you're saying that you lapped Vettes twice within 22 laps? Either those are ****ty Vettes or they're not pushing it hard. Correct me if I'm wrong on the times, but this is my understanding.
I personally lapped plenty of Vettes, Z06 and a GT3 in my SLK55. However, I know that while on the track, I was pushing it and they're weren't. I know I'll never beat a Z06 in any way even though I generally outrun most everyone at the HPDE events I attend. Track events, unless it's truly racing, mean nothing.
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Just curious as to what highway you were on...I can't find 200 feet half the time to open it up a little !
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I'm a big P fan... but I believe the story.
I don't, however, fully believe the track story by Scruffyone.
Limerock is 1.5 miles in length right?
Great track time is about 1min5sec meaning you get about 22 laps in 25 minutes.
So, you're saying that you lapped Vettes twice within 22 laps? Either those are ****ty Vettes or they're not pushing it hard. Correct me if I'm wrong on the times, but this is my understanding.
I personally lapped plenty of Vettes, Z06 and a GT3 in my SLK55. However, I know that while on the track, I was pushing it and they're weren't. I know I'll never beat a Z06 in any way even though I generally outrun most everyone at the HPDE events I attend. Track events, unless it's truly racing, mean nothing.
I don't, however, fully believe the track story by Scruffyone.
Limerock is 1.5 miles in length right?
Great track time is about 1min5sec meaning you get about 22 laps in 25 minutes.
So, you're saying that you lapped Vettes twice within 22 laps? Either those are ****ty Vettes or they're not pushing it hard. Correct me if I'm wrong on the times, but this is my understanding.
I personally lapped plenty of Vettes, Z06 and a GT3 in my SLK55. However, I know that while on the track, I was pushing it and they're weren't. I know I'll never beat a Z06 in any way even though I generally outrun most everyone at the HPDE events I attend. Track events, unless it's truly racing, mean nothing.
You running street or track tires at the track?
FWIW I am first in line for a GT3RS for my track toy next year.
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For reference, the carbon fibre, wind tunnel honed SLR has 626bhp and only gets to 205mph.
360bhp in an SLK does not = 200mph
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I didn't know that.. after you posted, I was reading this on another thread:
https://mbworld.org/forums/slk55-r171/120277-unrestricted-top-speed.html
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I didn't know that.. after you posted, I was reading this on another thread:
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120277
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=120277
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