Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

...but its obvious the guy had more money than skill and could not drive.

Originally Posted by 1985MB380SE

Wouldn't be the first time that's happened...

Originally Posted by advans

I think C6 drivers are losers (no offense). especially ones here in NYC. all they know how to do is "drag" race.

I still <3 the M3 no matter what!

Originally Posted by advans

I think C6 drivers are losers (no offense). especially ones here in NYC. all they know how to do is "drag" race.

I still <3 the M3 no matter what!

Originally Posted by itsmeek

? ur joking right. they're losers because they like to drag race? put them on a track w/those cars and they'll be able to run circles around 99% of the cars on the street either way.

Originally Posted by itsmeek

? ur joking right. they're losers because they like to drag race? put them on a track w/those cars and they'll be able to run circles around 99% of the cars on the street either way.

Originally Posted by vmspionage

Generalizing drivers of a particular car is retarded...

Originally Posted by vmspionage

Generalizing drivers of a particular car is retarded. I've had a 60 year old guy in a red M3 egg me on when I was in my vette completely unprovoked (he got smoked BTW), another young kid I know whose parents bought him a M3 always tries to race everything and brags about his car 24/7, I could go on and on. But then again I have friends with M3s that are cool and don't act like dicks, just like I have friends with C6s that don't act like dicks.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

You "smoked" a M3 with a 99 vett??? C5 vetts are driver races with M3's and the M3 has the advantage from the dig since the vett is more prone to wheel spin.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

You "smoked" a M3 with a 99 vett??? C5 vetts are driver races with M3's and the M3 has the advantage from the dig since the vett is more prone to wheel spin.

Originally Posted by itsmeek

um no..it's not a drivers race straight line. the m3 will get owned every time. where do you get your data from? unless we talkin e46's even then i'd take the vete 9 times out of 10.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

We are talking E46... And its a drivers race.. The C6 I had a run in is about as fast as the old C5 Z06, when the guy got his car moving without wheelspin it would only very slowly start to walk up. I have only had 1 run in with a C5 and it was a convertible and he got pwnd.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

You "smoked" a M3 with a 99 vett??? C5 vetts are driver races with M3's and the M3 has the advantage from the dig since the vett is more prone to wheel spin.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

We are talking E46... And its a drivers race.. The C6 I had a run in is about as fast as the old C5 Z06, when the guy got his car moving without wheelspin it would only very slowly start to walk up. I have only had 1 run in with a C5 and it was a convertible and he got pwnd.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

First off a few of you need to read what has been posted before you reply.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

We are talking E46... And its a drivers race.. The C6 I had a run in is about as fast as the old C5 Z06, when the guy got his car moving without wheelspin it would only very slowly start to walk up. I have only had 1 run in with a C5 and it was a convertible and he got pwnd.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

I know how fast C5 Z06's are my father used to have one, and yes with a bad driver an M3 will beat a C5 Z06 a few videos are floating around on the web of an stock M3 vs Z06 and the M3 wins. Stop going by magazine numbers was my original theme for this topic.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

If lets say you have 2 cars 1 can do 0-60 in 5 seconds (avg driver) and the other can do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. If the driver of the car that does 0-60 in 4.5 seconds messes up it and the 5 second car does not mess up then they will be even, but if the 4.5 second car keeps messing up it will be beat. Just like the driver of the C6 I ran into.

Originally Posted by AndrewAZ

Also M3's are not drag cars they dont have the best 0-60 or 1/4 mile but they do have good elasticity since they are built to run on a track and most speed on a race track is going from the slowest of 20 mph -150 mph. Once an M3 hit the power band and keeps in it, its a dam quick car.

Originally Posted by Improviz

I did read what you posted. Here it is again:


Sorry, but even if he did have wheelspin, he would not be "very slowly" walking up, he would be gaining rapidly. I've never, once, lost to an E46 M3, from a dig or a roll, and have raced Z06s several times. *Once*, I ran a guy who did exactly what you're describing. He spun like mad, and I killed him off the line so badly that it took him up until 90 or so to catch up, but he was gaining rapidly once hooked up, and once he did, he blew by me like I was standing still.

Again read my post. I let off before I hit 3rd gear. Which means I went from 0-60ish thats it. I am sure if we kept going he would of pulled like mad but the guy could not drive worth crap.

I get so tired of people slamming mags, which conduct accurate, measured tests of these vehicles. They *do* give an accurate representation, and *will* give a good prediction of two cars' relative performance capabilities.

Sure, sometimes people pull faster times, but considering that all of the mags run the cars at factory-spec tire pressure *and* with a full tank of gas, well, if you get a good driver who pumps his fronts up to 50 psi, his rears down, and runs on 1/4 tank, he can beat the times.

But that's apples to oranges, now isn't it? The mags *do* show that when both vehicles are fully fueled, with their rated pressures, which one is likely going to be faster, assuming good drivers.

Now, you are correct in saying on the street, slower cars can, and do, smoke faster cars when the driver of the faster car screws up, but in the example you mention, unless the Z06 driver first screws up his launch hugely *and* shifts like a total idiot, once he hooks up, he's going to pull up on you quickly.

Also, afaik the old Z06 was geared more agressively than the new C6 (Ricker, correct me if I'm wrong ), so the old Z would have a bit of an edge over the new C6 from a roll, although I believe there is an optional package w/gearing that gets their gearing much closer...but I digress.

Bottom line is that once hooked, a C5 Z06 would reel you in quickly, and blow by.

yea I have no doubt they will, again my father used to have one it was a dam fast car. But in my race I had with a C6 was a few very short 0-60ish sprints.

Sure, this is entirely plausible. I was only taking issue with your saying that once hooked up, a Z06 would only "walk" up to you...if you got out far enough on the launch & were in a short race, it might appear like that, but trust me: those things put on speed much faster than the M3, and will reel it in, hard, from a roll.

Even for a car as powerful as a z06 it takes a lot of power to overcome a mistake in a short race.

Yes, but the Z is dam quicker.

Originally Posted by Improviz

I did read what you posted. Here it is again:


Sorry, but even if he did have wheelspin, he would not be "very slowly" walking up, he would be gaining rapidly. I've never, once, lost to an E46 M3, from a dig or a roll, and have raced Z06s several times. *Once*, I ran a guy who did exactly what you're describing. He spun like mad, and I killed him off the line so badly that it took him up until 90 or so to catch up, but he was gaining rapidly once hooked up, and once he did, he blew by me like I was standing still.



I get so tired of people slamming mags, which conduct accurate, measured tests of these vehicles. They *do* give an accurate representation, and *will* give a good prediction of two cars' relative performance capabilities.

Sure, sometimes people pull faster times, but considering that all of the mags run the cars at factory-spec tire pressure *and* with a full tank of gas, well, if you get a good driver who pumps his fronts up to 50 psi, his rears down, and runs on 1/4 tank, he can beat the times.

But that's apples to oranges, now isn't it? The mags *do* show that when both vehicles are fully fueled, with their rated pressures, which one is likely going to be faster, assuming good drivers.

Now, you are correct in saying on the street, slower cars can, and do, smoke faster cars when the driver of the faster car screws up, but in the example you mention, unless the Z06 driver first screws up his launch hugely *and* shifts like a total idiot, once he hooks up, he's going to pull up on you quickly.

Also, afaik the old Z06 was geared more agressively than the new C6 (Ricker, correct me if I'm wrong ), so the old Z would have a bit of an edge over the new C6 from a roll, although I believe there is an optional package w/gearing that gets their gearing much closer...but I digress.

Bottom line is that once hooked, a C5 Z06 would reel you in quickly, and blow by.



Sure, this is entirely plausible. I was only taking issue with your saying that once hooked up, a Z06 would only "walk" up to you...if you got out far enough on the launch & were in a short race, it might appear like that, but trust me: those things put on speed much faster than the M3, and will reel it in, hard, from a roll.



Yes, but the Z is dam quicker.

Originally Posted by Thericker

Yo bro....I've given some time to research the slight edge the C5 Z06 has over the C6...I'll list them categorically ala' Impro style my man

1) C5z06 has larger 295 tires out back compared to the C6 w/285's

2) C5Z06 has smaller wheels (on 18"s) while us C6r's are on 19"s this retards final gear ratio as you allready know

3) I'm not sure on this one but I think the C5Z06 didn't have runcraps tires like the C6 there awefull for traction..

4) the C6 should be slightly faster actualy our torque comes in @ 4400 rpm's opposed to the C5Z06 there 400 torque @ 4800 rpm's

Put it this way we'd be 100% even if were both running the same gears (3.42 manual or 3.15 auto) & ran the exact same SMALLER yet WIDER stickier, wheel/tire combo from the C5 Z06

I could go further into another issue ("Torque Management", it restricts, reduces, available hp, to, at launch to try & prevent drivetrain damage) this is heavily documented, and easily removed w/prof tuning software..

Anyhow I feel certain the C6 would easily = the C5Z06 in perf w/just wheel/tire swap....I've seen numerous races where the 1/4 mile difference is just .02-.03 tenths.......

Have a Happy Hollidays Impro!! see ya round bud...