CL600 vs. C5 Corvette (Z06?)
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I didn't get any indication of his saying that....actually, it was ambiguous: he said he hung w/the guys in Z06s, but didn't give any indication of their skill level. But I'm assuming that the skill level had to be tipped in his favor for this to hold true, unless he's running R-compounds and they're on street radials or something like that. If the drivers were equal, the Z06s should win hands down.
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I didn't get any indication of his saying that....actually, it was ambiguous: he said he hung w/the guys in Z06s, but didn't give any indication of their skill level. But I'm assuming that the skill level had to be tipped in his favor for this to hold true, unless he's running R-compounds and they're on street radials or something like that. If the drivers were equal, the Z06s should win hands down.
We also got no inclination from Inginereamg, to the counter.....That he was basing his incredible performance edge over the C5 Z06 and ability to hang even w/C6Z06 due to his Extereme advantage in experience & SEAT time....
The way he posted it, It would easily lead the average on looker to think he meant his SLIGHTLY moded sl55 as he put it, was all the edge he needed....If so??
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improviz,
i think that both your posts and several others here have implied that they can keep up w/vettes. and please don't think i'm ignorant enough to think that driver input has nothing to do with this. however common sense would tell the average person that when we are talking cars and performance we are referring to the performance of the cars and not the drivers. that being said, an sl55 will never hang w/a c5 z06 on a twisty track both drivers being equal. and about the c6 z06- forget about it.
i think that both your posts and several others here have implied that they can keep up w/vettes. and please don't think i'm ignorant enough to think that driver input has nothing to do with this. however common sense would tell the average person that when we are talking cars and performance we are referring to the performance of the cars and not the drivers. that being said, an sl55 will never hang w/a c5 z06 on a twisty track both drivers being equal. and about the c6 z06- forget about it.
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Originally Posted by Improviz
actually, it was ambiguous: he said he hung w/the guys in Z06s, but didn't give any indication of their skill level.
http://www.track-challenge.com/compa...ar1=88&Car2=48
There you go: two tests, same driver, same two tracks, one short, one long, C6 faster than SL55 on short track, SL55 faster on long track.
So, with equal skill, stock to stock, the C6 is clearly faster on a short track like that being discussed here. Question is, how much skill does this guy have?
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So please don't go twisting what I said around. I clearly stated that with equal drivers, the Z06 would be faster, in two previous posts, and I'll quote both of them below.
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I hate to argue about such stupid **** on these boards. We all have something in common (fast cars) so lets leave it at that.
I just get a kick out of shocking people who don't realize how fast my car is. It's not badged as a "Bi-Turbo" like the CL65, so it's sort of a sleeper. My car may get a few more challenges though because I did put the Renntech badge on the car.
The only car I struggled with was against the C6 Z06, which I kept up from 30ish to 100mph or so, but I slightly lost from a dead stop. Every other race I've had was clearly my win including a CLS55 and my friend's 2006 M5, which I beat pretty bad (more than I expected).
I just get a kick out of shocking people who don't realize how fast my car is. It's not badged as a "Bi-Turbo" like the CL65, so it's sort of a sleeper. My car may get a few more challenges though because I did put the Renntech badge on the car.
The only car I struggled with was against the C6 Z06, which I kept up from 30ish to 100mph or so, but I slightly lost from a dead stop. Every other race I've had was clearly my win including a CLS55 and my friend's 2006 M5, which I beat pretty bad (more than I expected).
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I hate to argue about such stupid **** on these boards. We all have something in common (fast cars) so lets leave it at that.
I just get a kick out of shocking people who don't realize how fast my car is. It's not badged as a "Bi-Turbo" like the CL65, so it's sort of a sleeper. My car may get a few more challenges though because I did put the Renntech badge on the car.
The only car I struggled with was against the C6 Z06, which I kept up from 30ish to 100mph or so, but I slightly lost from a dead stop. Every other race I've had was clearly my win including a CLS55 and my friend's 2006 M5, which I beat pretty bad (more than I expected).
I just get a kick out of shocking people who don't realize how fast my car is. It's not badged as a "Bi-Turbo" like the CL65, so it's sort of a sleeper. My car may get a few more challenges though because I did put the Renntech badge on the car.
The only car I struggled with was against the C6 Z06, which I kept up from 30ish to 100mph or so, but I slightly lost from a dead stop. Every other race I've had was clearly my win including a CLS55 and my friend's 2006 M5, which I beat pretty bad (more than I expected).
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Just remember if you ever find yourself lining up against a newer C6, or C5 for that matter...You never know what mods might be under the hood
I allready know what these Mercs are capable of, noooo joke! very powerful indeed
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Wow, this post got to become pretty intense. The guy that I raced ended up going to the dealer that I bought my car from and asked if the car was tuned (I have dealer paper plates on). His car was infact a C5 Z06 with minor mods. I guess he had his G-Tech or something plugged in because he said he clocked that run (0-60mph) at 4.6 secs and I had him by about 2-3 cars. That guy was convinced that my car had been worked on, but its completely stock. After the guys at the lot told him that it was stock, he wanted to sell his Vette and get into a CL600!
I raced this guy because I wanted to test my CL. I thought it would be a closer race since it looked (and actually was) a Z06 C5. Anyhow, it was rewarding and I cant wait to see what it does with a RENNTech tune. I guess us 600 and AMG owners have the best of both worlds...speed and comfort!
I raced this guy because I wanted to test my CL. I thought it would be a closer race since it looked (and actually was) a Z06 C5. Anyhow, it was rewarding and I cant wait to see what it does with a RENNTech tune. I guess us 600 and AMG owners have the best of both worlds...speed and comfort!
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Dude...do you think that there is *any* driver skill involved in pulling a fast time at a race track, or do you think it is all vehicle?
Do you think that Michael Schumacher could pull a faster time in an Z06 than you in a Z06? Do you think he could pull a faster time in an SL55 than you in an Z06?
If you'd ever been to a track event, which I doubt, you would *routinely* see faster cars getting lapped by slower cars. Speed is ONE element in a race track victory, but driver skill is far, far more important.
Did you even bother to watch the video I listed a few moments ago? It showed Sabine Schmidt pulling almost the identical lap time at Nurburgring in a delivery van that Jeremy Clarkson, who drives and tests cars for a living, got in a Jaguar!
Do you think that Michael Schumacher could pull a faster time in an Z06 than you in a Z06? Do you think he could pull a faster time in an SL55 than you in an Z06?
If you'd ever been to a track event, which I doubt, you would *routinely* see faster cars getting lapped by slower cars. Speed is ONE element in a race track victory, but driver skill is far, far more important.
Did you even bother to watch the video I listed a few moments ago? It showed Sabine Schmidt pulling almost the identical lap time at Nurburgring in a delivery van that Jeremy Clarkson, who drives and tests cars for a living, got in a Jaguar!
Heck, even 2nd-tier F1 drivers like Eddie Irvine (remember him?) and DC would probably lap anyone here in Sabine's van...
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Hell, yeah! People don't realize how much skill is involved in turning a really fast lap, particularly in driving a high-powered automobile to its limits.
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agreed. but what does that have to do w/the performance of the cars themselves? :P
and for the record, i don't doubt that a cl600 can handle a c5 z06 on the straights. a c6 z06 is a different story.
and for the record, i don't doubt that a cl600 can handle a c5 z06 on the straights. a c6 z06 is a different story.
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Conversely, I ran a guy from 0-70ish once in a modded C5 Z06 which would definitely run with a Viper, and he killed me.
Difference: first guy screwed up, second guy did it right.
