Derrick9191

Well I finnaly got to line up against a buddy of mine that has a 07 335. I have been wanting to do this for a while but we both have been busy. But it happened and started like this.

We were on the freeway about 930pm light traffic and we had open road. So i downshifted to 3rd going about 65 or 70 rmps about 3800. We both gun it at the same time. For a moment he was right next to me then right when my rpms started climbing I started walking it. When i shifted into 4th I was about a car length ahead and steady walking. So that was the first race.

Second race was at a light. Light turns green and WOT we are flooring it mean while i was in first with esp off. Tires lit up for a second and I gained traction as soon as that happend bam i was gone. I pulled 1/2 in 1st and then when i shifted into second bam I pulled 1 1/2 cars on him. By 3rd gear he gave up.

Fun race and just to let you know next time I will be bringing the video camera to show you guys the race.

I am not going to lie I really thought those cars were going to be faster. But there not.

BlownV8

You do have more hp and tq than the new 335 so you should beat him. However, the 335 will be just an ECU tune away from that race having a different outcome. The performance mods for the 335 will really make it a screamer. However, I don't know of any tuning companies that have any packages that are currently available but there will be and when they are it will be an awesome transformation.

Jspeed

There are a couple already actually, and this particular one makes nearly 400bhp with just a piggyback ECU upgrade!

Vishnu

MidniteBluBenz

Nice Kill. 335's are nice but a C32 shouldn't have a problem pulling away from one.

Was the 335 auto or stick? I would have thought the race from a dig would've been a little closer.

AndrewAZ

Find a 335i owner that knows how to drive, it should of been the reverse.. The 335i's have been tested faster than the E46 M3. I test drove a 335i when I had my old E46 M3 in for service and off the line the 335i is a heck of a lot faster. Remember they are ratted at 300hp 300tq, I have seen some stock dynos on the internet saying they put down 280hp to the wheels which means stock they are making over 330hp at the crank, not to mention they have more torque than M3's. Not saying you didnt beat it but it was probably caused by driver error like the other day I took out a C6 vett cuse he could not drive worth crap.

MercedesFTW

But isn't it maxxed out after that one ECU tune-up?

That's what I heard, due to the small *** turbos.

I still don't think a stock 335i can beat a stock C32, no matter the skill of the driver/what magazines say. I'll have to see. Only 335i I've seen so far is a girls! Need a friend to get one.

AndrewAZ

Stock for stock an M3 vs C32 is a driver race. M3 vs 335i is a driver race with edge going to the 335i since it has more torque.

But you can tune the 335i just fine but yes it has small turbos, but you can still probably get 350+ hp out of them.

meegle

Thanks for the link as I didn't realize there were any upgrades available yet.

Improviz

Hmm, I don't think it is so clear-cut:

First, ze German tests, jah:
http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/c32lamg2001-1.htm
C32 Supertest in sport auto 9/2001
Gewicht 1648 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,1 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,5 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,6 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 9,9 s
0 - 160 km/h 12,5 s
0 - 180 km/h 15,6 s
0 - 200 km/h 19,8 s

http://www.einszweidrei.de/mercedes/c32amg2003-1.htm
C32 Test in ams 1/2003
Gewicht 1655 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,7 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,0 s
0 - 120 km/h 6,7 s
0 - 140 km/h 8,9 s
0 - 160 km/h 11,1 s
0 - 180 km/h 13,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 16,9 s

Here are several 335i/ci tests, one w/manual, several w/auto (site only has the one manual)

http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/bmw335iae90lim2006-1.htm
335i sedan automatic Test in ams 23/2006
Gewicht 1627 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,7 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,7 s
0 - 130 km/h 8,8 s
0 - 140 km/h 10,0 s
0 - 160 km/h 13,0 s
0 - 180 km/h 16,4 s
0 - 200 km/h - s

http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/bmw335iacp2006-1.htm
335 coupe automatic Test in ams 18/2006
Gewicht 1611 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,0 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,6 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,6 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 9,8 s
0 - 160 km/h 12,8 s
0 - 180 km/h 16,3 s
0 - 200 km/h - s

http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/bmw335icp6gst2006-1.htm
335i coupe manual Supertest in sport auto 10/2006
Gewicht 1610 kg
0 - 80 km/h 4,2 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,6 s
0 - 120 km/h 8,0 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 10,2 s
0 - 160 km/h 13,0 s
0 - 180 km/h 16,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 20,7 s

http://www.einszweidrei.de/bmw/bmw335iacp2006-2.htm
335i coupe automatic Test in Auto Zeitung Jahrbuch 2007
Gewicht 1609 kg
0 - 80 km/h 3,8 s
0 - 100 km/h 5,3 s
0 - 120 km/h 7,1 s
0 - 130 km/h - s
0 - 140 km/h 9,2 s
0 - 160 km/h 11,9 s
0 - 180 km/h 14,9 s
0 - 200 km/h 18,7 s

Slower of the two C32s was faster than 3/4 335ii's tested. Faster of the two C32s was faster than 4/4 335i's.

As to ze Americans, jah:
Last C32 Car & Driver tested ran 1/4 mile in 13.6 @ 106. 335i coupe they tested ran it in 13.6 @ 105. Slower trap...anyway, they've done much better in M3s than in that 335i.

Motor Trend tested the 335i at 5.1 seconds 0-60, with a 13.6 @ 104.3 1/4 mile. They tested the C32 at 4.77 seconds 0-60, with a 13.24 @ 106.86 They've also done much better in M3s than the numbers they got in the 335i.

transferred

[QUOTE=AndrewAZ;1913655]Find a 335i owner that knows how to drive, it should of been the reverse.. The 335i's have been tested faster than the E46 M3. I test drove a 335i when I had my old E46 M3 in for service and off the line the 335i is a heck of a lot faster. Remember they are ratted at 300hp 300tq, I have seen some stock dynos on the internet saying they put down 280hp to the wheels which means stock they are making over 330hp at the crank, not to mention they have more torque than M3's. QUOTE]

335i is not quicker than the E46 M3. Horsepower wins races not torque for the last time and also a stock 335 does not put out 330bhp. Fact.

Additionally, there is no way a 335 is hanging with my M3 around Willow Springs or any twisty road.

Back on topic...C32>335

AndrewAZ

[QUOTE=transferred;1915496]No doubt on a track a 335i will lose... No LSD and not the proper suspension set up.

Anyways a 335i SEDAN was tested 0-60 in 4.7 seconds with the 1/4 mile at 13.x @106mph. Which was faster than an M3. I test drove the 335i coupe and it defiantly felt faster than the M3.

"Horsepower sells cars torque wins races"... Carroll shelby


Again plain fact is the 335i has more torque than the M3. It also makes that torque sooner and longer than the M3's peak. It makes 300lb from 1,400-5,000 RPM which is just crazy.

A video was floating around showing a 335i vs m3 racing from a roll. The m3 would get a jump since it has faster throttle bodies and no turbo lag, but after that both were dead even. But of course the 335i was new and its not fair to drag race a new car vs a car with a motor that has thousands of miles on it that is broken in, over time all cars will become faster until they reach very high milage then they start to lose power.

HLG600

Horsepower is generally for high-end performance, torque is more so for low-end and midrange performance. It's the combination of the two that makes a car great.

Improviz

By whom?? Best I've seen 0-60 is 4.9, not 4.7, and most were slower than that, as can be seen here.

AndrewAZ

I cant find the 4.7 time it was an article posted on a BMW forum.

http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/09/...in-48-seconds/

Thats 4.8 seconds. They rate the 0-100 in 11.8(sedan not coupe). M3 0-100 is 11.6.

AndrewAZ

Worth a read...

Guy owns both M3 and 335i and did some test.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41331

Improviz

They are wrong, or that's a typo. I quoted that article from Car & Driver above, and linked it (here it is again: link to Car & Driver test )

They got 4.9.

No question it's fast, and in a test or two has been comparable to the E46 M3, but in others it has been tested slower. It's probably quite close, nearly even, but I don't think based upon what I've seen one could declare it unequivocally faster.

AndrewAZ

Go read the E90 post I linked.. Its a 4 door 335i auto that is dead even and in some cases faster than his M3 which is fully broken in, the 335i 4 door auto is new and not broken in.. So a 6 speed manual 335i coupe is going to be faster than the 4 door auto, so in theory a broken 335i coupe should be faster than the M3.

ultraseven

From BMW USA:

4 dr sedan:
Unladen 3593 (3605) lbs

Weight distribution, front/rear - Manual Transmission 51.5/48.5 %

Weight distribution, front/rear - Automatic Transmission 51.7/48.3 %

2 dr coupe:
Weight
Unladen 3571 [3582] lbs

Weight distribution, front/rear 51.2/48.8 [51.4/48.6] %

For both cars:
Transmission
Manual gear ratios - I/II 4.06/2.40 :1
Manual gear ratios - III/IV 1.58/1.19 :1
Manual gear ratios - V/VI/R 1.00/0.87/3.68 :1
Manual gear ratios - Final drive ratio 3.08 :1
Automatic gear ratios - I/II 4.17/2.34 :1
Automatic gear ratios - III/IV 1.52/1.14 :1
Automatic gear ratios - V/VI/R 0.87/0.69/3.40 :1
Automatic gear ratios - Final drive ratio 3.08 :1

Given the same drivetrain, the same gear ratios, and only a minute difference in weight distribution, the acceleration times should be nearly identical (if both cars carry the same tranny). Otherwise, tires, road conditions, broken-in, and having a linebacker as a test driver can only explain the difference in acceleration times.

BlownV8

Fact: HP = torque X RPM / 5252. That's how you calculate hp. Without torque, you have no hp. I think your above statement is very simplistic at best. You want an engine with the highest torque that you can get and will sustain that torque at a high enough rpm to effectively utilize gearing. In esssence, it's all about torque, rpm, and gearing.

transferred

I'll readily admit it was a simplistic comment. My point was that a Civic Type R with 197bhp and 145lb/ft is quicker than a 150bhp Golf 1.9TDI with 236lb/ft. Of course revs are important and torque is important-it's just tq tends to get overstated imo.

transferred

Andrew, not flaming here at all bud just giving another reputable test result.

5.4 to 60 (not even 62) and 12.8 to 100mph. Quick for a non-M series 3 but i'd take the 335d (3 litre diesel 284bhp and 38mpg) over the 335i any day.

Yes if one modded it it would make more power etc but i'm talking stock and personally wouldn't mod a car still in warranty either.

For reference, Autocar tested;

C32 at 4.6 and 10.8
M3 at 4.8 and 11.5