M6 vs CLS55 AMG
05-24-2008, 11:48 AM
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M6 vs CLS55 AMG
Just for clarification, I own a 2006 CL600 and a 2007 BMW M6. I am both a BMW and MB Fan so this is a non-biased story.
Setting: Friday Night
M6: Stock
CLS55: Stock from what I can tell
I was at a pump filling the M6 up when I see a nice cls55 pull up to a light. I was done filling her up just in time so I catch up to the cls55. Some traffic, but we finally get side by side at a light..Light turns green and the cls's tires spin pretty hard, the m6 is difficult to launch. At first I started to pull but once the cls got traction he pulled like a monster, that car is fckin loud! He got about 1 1/2 car lengths on me and as I started to pull on him, he had to jump in my lane cause there was an enormous pot hole. Keep in mind we are on a really small street, no space to hit 100 even though both machines reach that speed pretty quickly. The whole time there was a dodge charger trying to chase us at the same time. So we finally reach a perfect road, just me and the cls and plenty of room to hit about 140. We line up side by side doing about 70 and I mashed the pedal..All I can see from there was a cls55 disappearing in my rear view. I actually kept going and going cause it took me a while to realize he wasn't there. As soon as we were side by side and I hit it, he never caught up from that point, I just pulled and pulled hard. After that I tried to get back to a good road to run again but there was too much traffic. All in all, the cls55 is a BEAST of a car, I got a lot of respect for that car. So off the light it takes the M6 with its massive torque but after about 60-70 the M6 takes it. Im sure the cls wasn't modded at all but with some minor mods the m6 would have a serious problem. Good race if your on here..
Setting: Friday Night
M6: Stock
CLS55: Stock from what I can tell
I was at a pump filling the M6 up when I see a nice cls55 pull up to a light. I was done filling her up just in time so I catch up to the cls55. Some traffic, but we finally get side by side at a light..Light turns green and the cls's tires spin pretty hard, the m6 is difficult to launch. At first I started to pull but once the cls got traction he pulled like a monster, that car is fckin loud! He got about 1 1/2 car lengths on me and as I started to pull on him, he had to jump in my lane cause there was an enormous pot hole. Keep in mind we are on a really small street, no space to hit 100 even though both machines reach that speed pretty quickly. The whole time there was a dodge charger trying to chase us at the same time. So we finally reach a perfect road, just me and the cls and plenty of room to hit about 140. We line up side by side doing about 70 and I mashed the pedal..All I can see from there was a cls55 disappearing in my rear view. I actually kept going and going cause it took me a while to realize he wasn't there. As soon as we were side by side and I hit it, he never caught up from that point, I just pulled and pulled hard. After that I tried to get back to a good road to run again but there was too much traffic. All in all, the cls55 is a BEAST of a car, I got a lot of respect for that car. So off the light it takes the M6 with its massive torque but after about 60-70 the M6 takes it. Im sure the cls wasn't modded at all but with some minor mods the m6 would have a serious problem. Good race if your on here..
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Nice write up
I've been to the dragstrip with the M5/M6 crowd alot lately and I can tell you this first hand:
From a dead stop dragrace if both cars have traction a E/CLS55/63 will leave an M5/M6 at the tree,even if the BMW is modded.If the race is from a roll above 60mph the 7sp SMG trans in the M5/M6 is geared perfectly&offsets any lack of torque the V-10 may have&will show a stock E/CLS 55/63 it's taillights.It's even uglier if you start the race from 100mph
Guys that say they destroy an M5 in the stock 55/63 from a hiway roll are smokin crack,it aint happening
Your very fortunate to have both vehicles,you have superb taste in auto's man
I've been to the dragstrip with the M5/M6 crowd alot lately and I can tell you this first hand:
From a dead stop dragrace if both cars have traction a E/CLS55/63 will leave an M5/M6 at the tree,even if the BMW is modded.If the race is from a roll above 60mph the 7sp SMG trans in the M5/M6 is geared perfectly&offsets any lack of torque the V-10 may have&will show a stock E/CLS 55/63 it's taillights.It's even uglier if you start the race from 100mph
Guys that say they destroy an M5 in the stock 55/63 from a hiway roll are smokin crack,it aint happening
Your very fortunate to have both vehicles,you have superb taste in auto's man
05-25-2008, 01:31 AM
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Nice write up
I've been to the dragstrip with the M5/M6 crowd alot lately and I can tell you this first hand:
From a dead stop dragrace if both cars have traction a E/CLS55/63 will leave an M5/M6 at the tree,even if the BMW is modded.If the race is from a roll above 60mph the 7sp SMG trans in the M5/M6 is geared perfectly&offsets any lack of torque the V-10 may have&will show a stock E/CLS 55/63 it's taillights.It's even uglier if you start the race from 100mph
Guys that say they destroy an M5 in the stock 55/63 from a hiway roll are smokin crack,it aint happening
Your very fortunate to have both vehicles,you have superb taste in auto's man
I've been to the dragstrip with the M5/M6 crowd alot lately and I can tell you this first hand:
From a dead stop dragrace if both cars have traction a E/CLS55/63 will leave an M5/M6 at the tree,even if the BMW is modded.If the race is from a roll above 60mph the 7sp SMG trans in the M5/M6 is geared perfectly&offsets any lack of torque the V-10 may have&will show a stock E/CLS 55/63 it's taillights.It's even uglier if you start the race from 100mph
Guys that say they destroy an M5 in the stock 55/63 from a hiway roll are smokin crack,it aint happening
Your very fortunate to have both vehicles,you have superb taste in auto's man
Seen stock for stock 55 v M?
05-25-2008, 10:27 AM
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Thanks for the compliment Gixx. I agree with you 100% percent about the CLS55 vs M6.
Abboushi - I was in SI, the cls was silver and from what I can tell it was just the amg exhausts, still loud as hell.
Abboushi - I was in SI, the cls was silver and from what I can tell it was just the amg exhausts, still loud as hell.
05-25-2008, 10:31 AM
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Your result is what most of us have experienced. The M cars seem to pull after 100 mph, and they pull hard. They have to because they could be far behind a properly launched 55.
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Just at the dragstrip,I havent ran any on the street.The E55 that lined up against the M5's at the rental was KILLING em.
But CylinderHead ran Sunny55's modded SL55 from a hiway roll & basically walked him bad each time
But CylinderHead ran Sunny55's modded SL55 from a hiway roll & basically walked him bad each time
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Nice run OP
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Just for clarification, I own a 2006 CL600 and a 2007 BMW M6. I am both a BMW and MB Fan so this is a non-biased story.
Setting: Friday Night
M6: Stock
CLS55: Stock from what I can tell
I was at a pump filling the M6 up when I see a nice cls55 pull up to a light. I was done filling her up just in time so I catch up to the cls55. Some traffic, but we finally get side by side at a light..Light turns green and the cls's tires spin pretty hard, the m6 is difficult to launch. At first I started to pull but once the cls got traction he pulled like a monster, that car is fckin loud! He got about 1 1/2 car lengths on me and as I started to pull on him, he had to jump in my lane cause there was an enormous pot hole. Keep in mind we are on a really small street, no space to hit 100 even though both machines reach that speed pretty quickly. The whole time there was a dodge charger trying to chase us at the same time. So we finally reach a perfect road, just me and the cls and plenty of room to hit about 140. We line up side by side doing about 70 and I mashed the pedal..All I can see from there was a cls55 disappearing in my rear view. I actually kept going and going cause it took me a while to realize he wasn't there. As soon as we were side by side and I hit it, he never caught up from that point, I just pulled and pulled hard. After that I tried to get back to a good road to run again but there was too much traffic. All in all, the cls55 is a BEAST of a car, I got a lot of respect for that car. So off the light it takes the M6 with its massive torque but after about 60-70 the M6 takes it. Im sure the cls wasn't modded at all but with some minor mods the m6 would have a serious problem. Good race if your on here..
Setting: Friday Night
M6: Stock
CLS55: Stock from what I can tell
I was at a pump filling the M6 up when I see a nice cls55 pull up to a light. I was done filling her up just in time so I catch up to the cls55. Some traffic, but we finally get side by side at a light..Light turns green and the cls's tires spin pretty hard, the m6 is difficult to launch. At first I started to pull but once the cls got traction he pulled like a monster, that car is fckin loud! He got about 1 1/2 car lengths on me and as I started to pull on him, he had to jump in my lane cause there was an enormous pot hole. Keep in mind we are on a really small street, no space to hit 100 even though both machines reach that speed pretty quickly. The whole time there was a dodge charger trying to chase us at the same time. So we finally reach a perfect road, just me and the cls and plenty of room to hit about 140. We line up side by side doing about 70 and I mashed the pedal..All I can see from there was a cls55 disappearing in my rear view. I actually kept going and going cause it took me a while to realize he wasn't there. As soon as we were side by side and I hit it, he never caught up from that point, I just pulled and pulled hard. After that I tried to get back to a good road to run again but there was too much traffic. All in all, the cls55 is a BEAST of a car, I got a lot of respect for that car. So off the light it takes the M6 with its massive torque but after about 60-70 the M6 takes it. Im sure the cls wasn't modded at all but with some minor mods the m6 would have a serious problem. Good race if your on here..
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I've never run my 65 beyond 160 and I bought it pre-modded and stock v stock (except delimited) is the only way to debate this. I would say the 65 has got to put a few car lengths but then gearing may come until play around 160mph+. Stock BMW say their M5 does 205mph. Did MB ever put a figure on our 65s?
ChiroMikey- oh yes, well-modded E55s are very, very fast my friend.
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05-27-2008, 10:09 AM
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http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg..._cl65_amg.html
I hate to magazine race...but EVO magazine in the UK tested a CL65 that was de-limited (186mph) by AMG. They hand timed (with a passenger) the car from 155mph to 186mph in 17 seconds. Another UK publication, Autocar, once tested the CL65 in the standing kilometer at 22 seconds @ 155mph. So basically an M5/M6 would have to crack 40 seconds 0-186mph to touch a 65.
However, in the real world when a 65 or M5/6 are de-limited they usually are running aftermarket software. That would be interesting to see a modded 65 vs a modded M5/6 de-limited shootout.
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I hate to magazine race...but EVO magazine in the UK tested a CL65 that was de-limited (186mph) by AMG. They hand timed (with a passenger) the car from 155mph to 186mph in 17 seconds. Another UK publication, Autocar, once tested the CL65 in the standing kilometer at 22 seconds @ 155mph. So basically an M5/M6 would have to crack 40 seconds 0-186mph to touch a 65.
However, in the real world when a 65 or M5/6 are de-limited they usually are running aftermarket software. That would be interesting to see a modded 65 vs a modded M5/6 de-limited shootout.
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That's good information TMC.
Stock stock I'd be more interested to see from a roll. I believe 0-186 the M5 would have no chance. 100-200 it may be different but I would hope not and really don't think that with our raw power advantage it could be.
As regards modded 65 vs modded M5, well that should be in the 65s advantage due to the response of FI cars to tuning/chipping. The most important mod to our 5-speed may be lengthening the final drive ratio.
All conjecture I suppose though Gustav does airfield shootouts that are fairer than many give him credit for. However, only 65 one I saw was a farce as it was an SL with the top down.
Stock stock I'd be more interested to see from a roll. I believe 0-186 the M5 would have no chance. 100-200 it may be different but I would hope not and really don't think that with our raw power advantage it could be.
As regards modded 65 vs modded M5, well that should be in the 65s advantage due to the response of FI cars to tuning/chipping. The most important mod to our 5-speed may be lengthening the final drive ratio.
All conjecture I suppose though Gustav does airfield shootouts that are fairer than many give him credit for. However, only 65 one I saw was a farce as it was an SL with the top down.
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg..._cl65_amg.html
I hate to magazine race...but EVO magazine in the UK tested a CL65 that was de-limited (186mph) by AMG. They hand timed (with a passenger) the car from 155mph to 186mph in 17 seconds. Another UK publication, Autocar, once tested the CL65 in the standing kilometer at 22 seconds @ 155mph. So basically an M5/M6 would have to crack 40 seconds 0-186mph to touch a 65.
However, in the real world when a 65 or M5/6 are de-limited they usually are running aftermarket software. That would be interesting to see a modded 65 vs a modded M5/6 de-limited shootout.
Tom
I hate to magazine race...but EVO magazine in the UK tested a CL65 that was de-limited (186mph) by AMG. They hand timed (with a passenger) the car from 155mph to 186mph in 17 seconds. Another UK publication, Autocar, once tested the CL65 in the standing kilometer at 22 seconds @ 155mph. So basically an M5/M6 would have to crack 40 seconds 0-186mph to touch a 65.
However, in the real world when a 65 or M5/6 are de-limited they usually are running aftermarket software. That would be interesting to see a modded 65 vs a modded M5/6 de-limited shootout.
Tom
05-27-2008, 12:38 PM
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Too bad our buddy E55RUSS isn't around anymore. He used to have insane races up to 200mph with tuned S65's, modded M6's, his modded E55, Ferraris, Lambos, Vettes, Skylines, and more. From what he saw, the modded M6 would walk the tuned S65 above 160.
05-27-2008, 01:44 PM
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That's good information TMC.
Stock stock I'd be more interested to see from a roll. I believe 0-186 the M5 would have no chance. 100-200 it may be different but I would hope not and really don't think that with our raw power advantage it could be.
As regards modded 65 vs modded M5, well that should be in the 65s advantage due to the response of FI cars to tuning/chipping. The most important mod to our 5-speed may be lengthening the final drive ratio.
All conjecture I suppose though Gustav does airfield shootouts that are fairer than many give him credit for. However, only 65 one I saw was a farce as it was an SL with the top down.
Stock stock I'd be more interested to see from a roll. I believe 0-186 the M5 would have no chance. 100-200 it may be different but I would hope not and really don't think that with our raw power advantage it could be.
As regards modded 65 vs modded M5, well that should be in the 65s advantage due to the response of FI cars to tuning/chipping. The most important mod to our 5-speed may be lengthening the final drive ratio.
All conjecture I suppose though Gustav does airfield shootouts that are fairer than many give him credit for. However, only 65 one I saw was a farce as it was an SL with the top down.
I hate to go further off topic...but check out this G-Power M5 Hurricane...I believe it hit 220+mph at a high-speed shootout.
http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/G.../M5_Hurricane/
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That is assuming that the M5 isn't twin S/C'ed...
I hate to go further off topic...but check out this G-Power M5 Hurricane...I believe it hit 220+mph at a high-speed shootout.
http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/G.../M5_Hurricane/
Tom
I hate to go further off topic...but check out this G-Power M5 Hurricane...I believe it hit 220+mph at a high-speed shootout.
http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/G.../M5_Hurricane/
Tom
...but also insanely priced (300k euros)
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If I had those kind of funds to dump on a sedan, along with an insanely hedonistic approach to quelling my automotive addiction, it would the Brabus Rocket without question. That car is engineering fury. Albeit very enticing, a couple blowers slapped on a motor with a redline cresting eight grand certainly instills a fear of the motor detonating.
06-13-2008, 09:15 AM
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Nice write up
I've been to the dragstrip with the M5/M6 crowd alot lately and I can tell you this first hand:
From a dead stop dragrace if both cars have traction a E/CLS55/63 will leave an M5/M6 at the tree,even if the BMW is modded.If the race is from a roll above 60mph the 7sp SMG trans in the M5/M6 is geared perfectly&offsets any lack of torque the V-10 may have&will show a stock E/CLS 55/63 it's taillights.It's even uglier if you start the race from 100mph
Guys that say they destroy an M5 in the stock 55/63 from a hiway roll are smokin crack,it aint happening
Your very fortunate to have both vehicles,you have superb taste in auto's man
I've been to the dragstrip with the M5/M6 crowd alot lately and I can tell you this first hand:
From a dead stop dragrace if both cars have traction a E/CLS55/63 will leave an M5/M6 at the tree,even if the BMW is modded.If the race is from a roll above 60mph the 7sp SMG trans in the M5/M6 is geared perfectly&offsets any lack of torque the V-10 may have&will show a stock E/CLS 55/63 it's taillights.It's even uglier if you start the race from 100mph
Guys that say they destroy an M5 in the stock 55/63 from a hiway roll are smokin crack,it aint happening
Your very fortunate to have both vehicles,you have superb taste in auto's man
not trying to bring on a whirlwind that typically happens when amg vs m cars are compared, but thought i would add my personal experiences.
06-13-2008, 01:36 PM
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just found this thread, and just thought id add my two cents...as far as the e/cls55/63 leaving a modded m5/m6 "at the tree", that is entirely untrue...though you are completely right in that the amg models have a TON of torque, depending on how modded the m car is, they can do more than just keep up...i have a stock e63 amg and a highly modded m6(no supercharger or anything like that), and i have had my friend(who does know how to drive) drive the e63 while i drove the m6, and from a light it was almost exactly even to about 40...i ever so slightly pulled to 60, and then start pulling for good after 60...the bmw cars are designed more for the higher speeds, so they need a lot of work to make up for the torque difference lower down, but im sure u could find more than a few that can keep up from a dead stop not trying to bring on a whirlwind that typically happens when amg vs m cars are compared, but thought i would add my personal experiences.
not trying to bring on a whirlwind that typically happens when amg vs m cars are compared, but thought i would add my personal experiences.
