My S65 vs. a Ferarri F430
11-02-2009, 03:44 PM
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What's going on Busa! I bet your S65 would win by a long shot now. I raced a F430 Scuderia last week. It had the license plate AuUUUUoo or something. Cool guy, we raced from 10-50ish and he couldn't pull on me. Never realized how fast my car was until then. I guess the benz is really smooth and doesn't feel like a sports car. EXCITING!
When's the next cruise?
When's the next cruise?
11-07-2009, 11:13 AM
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What's going on Busa! I bet your S65 would win by a long shot now. I raced a F430 Scuderia last week. It had the license plate AuUUUUoo or something. Cool guy, we raced from 10-50ish and he couldn't pull on me. Never realized how fast my car was until then. I guess the benz is really smooth and doesn't feel like a sports car. EXCITING!
When's the next cruise?
When's the next cruise?
Oh yeah, it'd be a different story today.....
. I missed the Houston Coffee and Cars this morning- did you make it? I think I saw your car there last time (October) with a nasty h/e on the front of it??....is that yours? I'm waiting to see the results of Jerry's (Eurocharged) h/e on my friends car before I bite the bullet and get it installed. I think he's in the middle of making a custom one for the S65's as we speak.
11-08-2009, 01:05 AM
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Second that - I went from a Rennteched 700hp SL65 to a Lambo LP560-4 and have not looked back. The straightline acceleration of the 560, which is faster than my SL65, and the insane handling in the canyons has made me not look back. Two different cars completely, don't kid yourself when an F430 car or Lambo LP560 backs off or are not interested in street racing, its just not worth it to them and, as BiTurbo said, they have nothing to prove.
A R/T SL65 would absolutely destroy your LP560. You must've compared the two with the parking brake engaged in the 65. A healthy R/T 65 runs high 10s; your stock LP560 is what-- mid-low 11s (on some DRs)?
take it from someone who went from a V12TT Benz to an F car...it is not always about straight line acceleration. If that was the case, I would have bought a ZR1 instead of a slow, used Ferrari with only 400 (yawn) hp.
I rarely street race now mainly because the police will look for an excuse to pull any Ferrari over. No matter what is going on, the F car will get ticketed or worse and the other cars will get off scott free
Ferrari is the car that every other car on the road wants to be, so why race? We really have nothing to prove...
I rarely street race now mainly because the police will look for an excuse to pull any Ferrari over. No matter what is going on, the F car will get ticketed or worse and the other cars will get off scott free
Ferrari is the car that every other car on the road wants to be, so why race? We really have nothing to prove...
Why the heck would any high-end Benz/Bimmer want to be a Ferrari? A 360 at that. Let's see: slower, less comfortable, costs a small fortune to maintain, no glass roof, prone to spontaneous combustion, cheaper, and here in So-Cal, about as rare as a Honda Accord. You're right, I'm jealous.
You two weasels are hilarious. Please post some more pearls of wisdom, so us mere mortals can learn your ways.
11-08-2009, 01:10 AM
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LOL! I'm not even driving my Veyron on the same roads as you mere mortals. Meh, who wants to be seen with Lambos and Benzes? I will have new roads constructed just for me and my Veyron so I may look down on you peasants.
11-08-2009, 08:59 PM
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Oh yeah, it'd be a different story today...... I missed the Houston Coffee and Cars this morning- did you make it? I think I saw your car there last time (October) with a nasty h/e on the front of it??....is that yours? I'm waiting to see the results of Jerry's (Eurocharged) h/e on my friends car before I bite the bullet and get it installed. I think he's in the middle of making a custom one for the S65's as we speak.
. I missed the Houston Coffee and Cars this morning- did you make it? I think I saw your car there last time (October) with a nasty h/e on the front of it??....is that yours? I'm waiting to see the results of Jerry's (Eurocharged) h/e on my friends car before I bite the bullet and get it installed. I think he's in the middle of making a custom one for the S65's as we speak.Hey , What's up! No, that wasn't me at the October event. I do have the huge H/E on my car, but I haven't installed the meziere pump yet to my car heat soaks quickly. Shardull and I were going to install it this weekend but once we had the car on the lift I opened the package and realized I forgot to order two AN fittings, just got one!!!!
My friend raced a Ferrari f430 scuderia from 5mph to about 40. The Ferrari couldn't catch up to me. VROOOOOOOOOM!
11-09-2009, 03:32 PM
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Nothing to prove? Because you know, a 200K SL65 has sooooo much to prove.
A R/T SL65 would absolutely destroy your LP560. You must've compared the two with the parking brake engaged in the 65. A healthy R/T 65 runs high 10s; your stock LP560 is what-- mid-low 11s (on some DRs)?
Get off your high-horse, I've seen your little F-Car go for 60 at auction. Oh, aren't you a big baller
Why the heck would any high-end Benz/Bimmer want to be a Ferrari? A 360 at that. Let's see: slower, less comfortable, costs a small fortune to maintain, no glass roof, prone to spontaneous combustion, cheaper, and here in So-Cal, about as rare as a Honda Accord. You're right, I'm jealous.
You two weasels are hilarious. Please post some more pearls of wisdom, so us mere mortals can learn your ways.
A R/T SL65 would absolutely destroy your LP560. You must've compared the two with the parking brake engaged in the 65. A healthy R/T 65 runs high 10s; your stock LP560 is what-- mid-low 11s (on some DRs)?
Get off your high-horse, I've seen your little F-Car go for 60 at auction. Oh, aren't you a big baller
Why the heck would any high-end Benz/Bimmer want to be a Ferrari? A 360 at that. Let's see: slower, less comfortable, costs a small fortune to maintain, no glass roof, prone to spontaneous combustion, cheaper, and here in So-Cal, about as rare as a Honda Accord. You're right, I'm jealous.
You two weasels are hilarious. Please post some more pearls of wisdom, so us mere mortals can learn your ways.
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11-09-2009, 06:11 PM
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^correct, the LP560 is far faster than the previous Gallardos. They've all performed well apart from first model year Gallardo which was a bit of a slow dog.
I'm definitely not one of those people who's all about horsepower/drags racing but I must say that the base F360 is well outclassed now...not only power but brakes, gearbox and suspension too. If you've always wanted a Ferrari I guess it makes sense but something like a humble M3 is quicker everywhere....now the Challenge Stradale still turns heads while the F430 Scuderia is just plain amazing.
Gallardos and F-cars are so ubiquitous the real rarity lies in an 65-series car. This is the truth but not enough for many badge snobs and I'll concede the handling isn;t exactly "trackable"...
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I'm definitely not one of those people who's all about horsepower/drags racing but I must say that the base F360 is well outclassed now...not only power but brakes, gearbox and suspension too. If you've always wanted a Ferrari I guess it makes sense but something like a humble M3 is quicker everywhere....now the Challenge Stradale still turns heads while the F430 Scuderia is just plain amazing.
Gallardos and F-cars are so ubiquitous the real rarity lies in an 65-series car. This is the truth but not enough for many badge snobs and I'll concede the handling isn;t exactly "trackable"...
-Rob
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11-09-2009, 11:38 PM
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I kind of disagree with you on this one. a R/T SL65 would need drag radials at the track to put an LP560-4 in its rearview mirror. Out on the street on stock tires, the LP560-4 would put the SL65 in its rearview mirror. The R/T SL65 would need a lot of ground to make up that deficit from a dig. Now since the R/T SL65 mods cost about $15K installed (including I/C upgrade)... it is only fair to suggest an LP560-4 go out and get a TT set up as well...
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11-10-2009, 10:33 AM
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From a roll the LP560-4 handles itself very well.... a well driven Ferrari 599GTB would beat a R/T SL65.
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From a roll the LP560-4 handles itself very well.... a well driven Ferrari 599GTB would beat a R/T SL65.
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11-10-2009, 12:47 PM
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Totally correct. Member "absent" used to have both and ran his Renntech/Kleeman SL65 against his 599. The 599 decimated it up top. He still has the SL I believe but traded the 599 on a Scuderia. Those Ferrari's are two of the finest vehicles ever made, in my view.
I usually feel confident in my sedan about running anything close above 100, but a tuned 65-series and a 599 are definitely two of those on my "look the other way" list.
I usually feel confident in my sedan about running anything close above 100, but a tuned 65-series and a 599 are definitely two of those on my "look the other way" list.
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11-10-2009, 02:54 PM
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Totally correct. Member "absent" used to have both and ran his Renntech/Kleeman SL65 against his 599. The 599 decimated it up top. He still has the SL I believe but traded the 599 on a Scuderia. Those Ferrari's are two of the finest vehicles ever made, in my view.
I usually feel confident in my sedan about running anything close above 100, but a tuned 65-series and a 599 are definitely two of those on my "look the other way" list.
I usually feel confident in my sedan about running anything close above 100, but a tuned 65-series and a 599 are definitely two of those on my "look the other way" list.
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Haven't been on this site for awhile. Its good to see the spirited debates on performance. Its difficult to compare the two cars unless you've owned both, and, fortunately, I have. Not sure if Akademiks comments are based on haven driven or owned both. Anyway, as stated in my earlier post my LP560-4, beats the Rennteched SL65in light to light, freeway roll, and handling. The 65 hits hard when the turbos kick in but not enough to pull the 560.
The handling of the LP560 borders on insanity - it won't let go, the harder you push it the better it holds. On the same roads, my 65 would have looked like a merry-go-round had I pushed it in turns the way I've pushed the 560.
Do I miss the panoramic roof, top down cruising, and massaging seats, absolutely! But in terms of performance, something I look for in my weekend car, there is no comparison.
01-07-2010, 09:39 PM
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Haven't been on this site for awhile. Its good to see the spirited debates on performance. Its difficult to compare the two cars unless you've owned both, and, fortunately, I have. Not sure if Akademiks comments are based on haven driven or owned both. Anyway, as stated in my earlier post my LP560-4, beats the Rennteched SL65in light to light, freeway roll, and handling. The 65 hits hard when the turbos kick in but not enough to pull the 560.
The handling of the LP560 borders on insanity - it won't let go, the harder you push it the better it holds. On the same roads, my 65 would have looked like a merry-go-round had I pushed it in turns the way I've pushed the 560.
Do I miss the panoramic roof, top down cruising, and massaging seats, absolutely! But in terms of performance, something I look for in my weekend car, there is no comparison.
The handling of the LP560 borders on insanity - it won't let go, the harder you push it the better it holds. On the same roads, my 65 would have looked like a merry-go-round had I pushed it in turns the way I've pushed the 560.
Do I miss the panoramic roof, top down cruising, and massaging seats, absolutely! But in terms of performance, something I look for in my weekend car, there is no comparison.
01-07-2010, 10:25 PM
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In Monaco over the summer I got a chance to drive the LP560 spyder my father rented (shh dont spill the beans to the rental company!
) and at highway speed (70-90mph-ish) his mildly tuned E60 M5 pulled away from me in the LP560... Our M5 is pushing around 550-560 horse (yes its modded) and the LP650 has 541hp I believe. I think its the Lambo's lack of torque that makes it rather aggravating for highway runs.
01-08-2010, 11:13 AM
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In Monaco over the summer I got a chance to drive the LP560 spyder my father rented (shh dont spill the beans to the rental company! ) and at highway speed (70-90mph-ish) his mildly tuned E60 M5 pulled away from me in the LP560... Our M5 is pushing around 550-560 horse (yes its modded) and the LP650 has 541hp I believe. I think its the Lambo's lack of torque that makes it rather aggravating for highway runs.
) and at highway speed (70-90mph-ish) his mildly tuned E60 M5 pulled away from me in the LP560... Our M5 is pushing around 550-560 horse (yes its modded) and the LP650 has 541hp I believe. I think its the Lambo's lack of torque that makes it rather aggravating for highway runs.I don't see how torque comes in to play on highway runs provided one uses the paddles. The M5s rated at 383lbft the LP560 at 398lb/ft so I don't see how that can be relevant. I also disagree that one or the other would be "aggravating" for highway runs because of it.
The coupe LP560 is a very fast machine on the highway going by the performance figures. What's amazing is the 4wd barely seems to impact it up top. I've run a 1st or 2nd gen Gallardo before on a very short highway run and pulled it slightly but I would fully expect to lose against an LP560 in every situation except for a delimited top speed run (which never happen), provided the driver knew how to drive. On topic, F360s are way off the pace while the f430 is a good match from the one run I had with one.
on edit-- As regards your comment about the LP560 behaving like an "understeering crazy Audi", I question if you actually drove one. For that matter, try a B7 RS4 or Audi R8 and get back to us.
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01-08-2010, 11:55 AM
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The fact is was a Spyder makes a huge difference. More weight and inferior aerodynamics to the Coupe. Plus the M5 was modded, all be it lightly.
I don't see how torque comes in to play on highway runs provided one uses the paddles. The M5s rated at 383lbft the LP560 at 398lb/ft so I don't see how that can be relevant. I also disagree that one or the other would be "aggravating" for highway runs because of it.
The coupe LP560 is a very fast machine on the highway going by the performance figures. What's amazing is the 4wd barely seems to impact it up top. I've run a 1st or 2nd gen Gallardo before on a very short highway run and pulled it slightly but I would fully expect to lose against an LP560 in every situation except for a delimited top speed run (which never happen), provided the driver knew how to drive. On topic, F360s are way off the pace while the f430 is a good match from the one run I had with one.
on edit-- As regards your comment about the LP560 behaving like an "understeering crazy Audi", I question if you actually drove one. For that matter, try a B7 RS4 or Audi R8 and get back to us.
I don't see how torque comes in to play on highway runs provided one uses the paddles. The M5s rated at 383lbft the LP560 at 398lb/ft so I don't see how that can be relevant. I also disagree that one or the other would be "aggravating" for highway runs because of it.
The coupe LP560 is a very fast machine on the highway going by the performance figures. What's amazing is the 4wd barely seems to impact it up top. I've run a 1st or 2nd gen Gallardo before on a very short highway run and pulled it slightly but I would fully expect to lose against an LP560 in every situation except for a delimited top speed run (which never happen), provided the driver knew how to drive. On topic, F360s are way off the pace while the f430 is a good match from the one run I had with one.
on edit-- As regards your comment about the LP560 behaving like an "understeering crazy Audi", I question if you actually drove one. For that matter, try a B7 RS4 or Audi R8 and get back to us.
Also....I have to question whether an LP560 Spyder was "detuned" by the rental company or had been abused without the proper maintenance. eben with the extra weight, the LP560 Spyder should easily pull away from a 560hp M5. Here is a video between an LP560 vs an M6 (M6 is 250lbs lighter than an M5).
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e63...vs-bmw-m6.html
It might also come down to experience....his dad knows his car inside and out....one might be a little hesitant and not entirely certain of which gear he needs to be in to optimize performance.
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01-08-2010, 01:19 PM
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Also....I have to question whether an LP560 Spyder was "detuned" by the rental company or had been abused without the proper maintenance. eben with the extra weight, the LP560 Spyder should easily pull away from a 560hp M5. Here is a video between an LP560 vs an M6 (M6 is 250lbs lighter than an M5).
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e63...vs-bmw-m6.html
It might also come down to experience....his dad knows his car inside and out....one might be a little hesitant and not entirely certain of which gear he needs to be in to optimize performance.
Tom
Also....I have to question whether an LP560 Spyder was "detuned" by the rental company or had been abused without the proper maintenance. eben with the extra weight, the LP560 Spyder should easily pull away from a 560hp M5. Here is a video between an LP560 vs an M6 (M6 is 250lbs lighter than an M5).
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e63...vs-bmw-m6.html
It might also come down to experience....his dad knows his car inside and out....one might be a little hesitant and not entirely certain of which gear he needs to be in to optimize performance.
Tom
01-08-2010, 01:58 PM
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