E55 vs Challenger SRT-8
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True, the E63's seven speed definitely enjoys a gearing advantage over both the CLK55 and SRT8, both of which have the same tranny/gear ratios (though I think the final drive is different), which will help to keep the net force higher, which coupled with its significantly lower drag force and substantially higher horsepower will give it a huge advantage in the 100 mph+ range.
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He beats you by a couple , and Will and I almost run neck and neck upstairs with me pulling past him way uptop. #1 Our cars are lighter and I guarantee both have a better hp to weight ratio than Will's car. His car will smash us in the 1/4 mile but as the speeds climb he starts losing that advantage DUE TO WEIGHT and I believe aero-dynamics with the brick like frontend.!!!!!! Yet a C5 zo6 with less hp and weight will murder it in the 1/4 mile. I wonder why?![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Again Jon you have alot to learn.
How much hp does the E63 have vs the SRT300C?(425hp vs. 507hp)
About an 80+hp difference,you do the math.
What is the hp to weight ratio of both cars as well?![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
I figured my Corvette ZO6 C5 illustration would have explained all of this clearly to you.
Has less hp than a SRT8,less weight than an SRT8,has an 16valve V8 and yet will murder an SRT8 in the 1/4 mile and topend because it weighs almost 800 to 1k lbs less than a SRT8.
Final ex ,why does a CLK55 run away from a W210E55 1/4 mile and top end?
Why does it also rape a S55 N/A since the advertised hp for the CLK55 is less?
WEIGHTTTTTT! E63 weighs 4035lbs, SRT8 300C weighs, 4097lbs
Now what does your CLK55 weigh compared to Will's car?
About 600lbs less not including your fly weight vs Will's which I'm sure he has an even 100lbs. over you.
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Again Jon you have alot to learn.
How much hp does the E63 have vs the SRT300C?(425hp vs. 507hp)
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What is the hp to weight ratio of both cars as well?
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I figured my Corvette ZO6 C5 illustration would have explained all of this clearly to you.
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Final ex ,why does a CLK55 run away from a W210E55 1/4 mile and top end?
Why does it also rape a S55 N/A since the advertised hp for the CLK55 is less?
WEIGHTTTTTT! E63 weighs 4035lbs, SRT8 300C weighs, 4097lbs
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Hey, waitaminute, AMG has a separate website, let me check there: oh, yeah, that settles it: they're listing it as 2.82!!!
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If you'd started the run at 80 it'd be a bit tighter due to his aerodynamics, but from 40-100 alone he should have pulled 4+ lengths. Was this one run, or multiple runs? If you got a half second jump or thereabouts that would narrow the lead pretty substantially...
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Did this 300C actually trap 115 before you ran it? If so, he should've left your CLK55 for dead unless something was wrong, as that's a 6 mph trap difference, and from experience, a 6 mph trap difference makes for a pretty brisk walk up high.
If you'd started the run at 80 it'd be a bit tighter due to his aerodynamics, but from 40-100 alone he should have pulled 4+ lengths. Was this one run, or multiple runs? If you got a half second jump or thereabouts that would narrow the lead pretty substantially...
If you'd started the run at 80 it'd be a bit tighter due to his aerodynamics, but from 40-100 alone he should have pulled 4+ lengths. Was this one run, or multiple runs? If you got a half second jump or thereabouts that would narrow the lead pretty substantially...
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Did this 300C actually trap 115 before you ran it? If so, he should've left your CLK55 for dead unless something was wrong, as that's a 6 mph trap difference, and from experience, a 6 mph trap difference makes for a pretty brisk walk up high.
If you'd started the run at 80 it'd be a bit tighter due to his aerodynamics, but from 40-100 alone he should have pulled 4+ lengths. Was this one run, or multiple runs? If you got a half second jump or thereabouts that would narrow the lead pretty substantially...
If you'd started the run at 80 it'd be a bit tighter due to his aerodynamics, but from 40-100 alone he should have pulled 4+ lengths. Was this one run, or multiple runs? If you got a half second jump or thereabouts that would narrow the lead pretty substantially...
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Everybody runs good #'s at Atco. My car would prob run high 12s at 111 or 112mph there. It's one of the fastest tracks here on the East coast. ![word](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/werd.gif)
The SRT8 is using the same exact tranny and has the same exact gearing as my car from tranny to diff. That goes for the W208 Clk 55 as well but the diff in the CLK55 has a 2.82 final gear ratio.
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The SRT8 is using the same exact tranny and has the same exact gearing as my car from tranny to diff. That goes for the W208 Clk 55 as well but the diff in the CLK55 has a 2.82 final gear ratio.
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If he's trapping 115, he'd pull a car trapping 109 by more than two cars unless there's something wrong. It's one carlength per mph, Jon, and 115-109 spells would get roughly six lengths, not two. Something's not right here. Either you got a jump, his car doesn't trap 115, or something was wrong with it when you ran it in the CLK, or you're embellishing again.
As to the E63 compared to the 300C, this makes no sense. Stock E63s trap in the 115-ish range, give or take a few, and here's a quick lesson: if it and the modded 300C trap the same speed, then allow me to state what should be the exceedingly obvious here: this means that over the same distance, they've both accelerated to the same speed. Which, in turn, means that neither of them would be appreciably further ahead of the other by the speed of 115 mph, which means that if one of them left you for dead, then the other one would have left you for dead.
Now, I agree that up above this speed, the E63 would be faster due to better aerodynamics and gearing, but TO that speed they should both pull you by roughly the same amount, unless the guy in the 300C is either lying about his trap speed, screwing up mightily (i.e., shifting himself, not a good idea w/that tranny as it shifts s-l-o-w-l-y in manual mode, unless they've fixed it since I had mine), was carrying a lot of extra weight, or had something go wrong w/his car.
So, in yet another link in a long chain, we see yet another Jon story that defies the laws of physics.
For the two people out there that buy this: I've got some real estate for sale, a condo in Miami. Wanna buy? I promise, it's a great investment!!
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Neither is the 5.5L S/C AMG, Jon, as a quick look at dragtimes.com will attest....plenty of them in the 10's, and plenty more with trap speeds well over 120, it's a lot easier to mod an FI car than an NA car. So please, spare me the d!ck-wagging, it's not impressing me or anyone else. ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
If he's trapping 115, he'd pull a car trapping 109 by more than two cars unless there's something wrong. It's one carlength per mph, Jon, and 115-109 spells would get roughly six lengths, not two. Something's not right here. Either you got a jump, his car doesn't trap 115, or something was wrong with it when you ran it in the CLK, or you're embellishing again.
As to the E63 compared to the 300C, this makes no sense. Stock E63s trap in the 115-ish range, give or take a few, and here's a quick lesson: if it and the modded 300C trap the same speed, then allow me to state what should be the exceedingly obvious here: this means that over the same distance, they've both accelerated to the same speed. Which, in turn, means that neither of them would be appreciably further ahead of the other by the speed of 115 mph, which means that if one of them left you for dead, then the other one would have left you for dead.
Now, I agree that up above this speed, the E63 would be faster due to better aerodynamics and gearing, but TO that speed they should both pull you by roughly the same amount, unless the guy in the 300C is either lying about his trap speed, screwing up mightily (i.e., shifting himself, not a good idea w/that tranny as it shifts s-l-o-w-l-y in manual mode, unless they've fixed it since I had mine), was carrying a lot of extra weight, or had something go wrong w/his car.
So, in yet another link in a long chain, we see yet another Jon story that defies the laws of physics.
For the two people out there that buy this: I've got some real estate for sale, a condo in Miami. Wanna buy? I promise, it's a great investment!!![Big Grin](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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If he's trapping 115, he'd pull a car trapping 109 by more than two cars unless there's something wrong. It's one carlength per mph, Jon, and 115-109 spells would get roughly six lengths, not two. Something's not right here. Either you got a jump, his car doesn't trap 115, or something was wrong with it when you ran it in the CLK, or you're embellishing again.
As to the E63 compared to the 300C, this makes no sense. Stock E63s trap in the 115-ish range, give or take a few, and here's a quick lesson: if it and the modded 300C trap the same speed, then allow me to state what should be the exceedingly obvious here: this means that over the same distance, they've both accelerated to the same speed. Which, in turn, means that neither of them would be appreciably further ahead of the other by the speed of 115 mph, which means that if one of them left you for dead, then the other one would have left you for dead.
Now, I agree that up above this speed, the E63 would be faster due to better aerodynamics and gearing, but TO that speed they should both pull you by roughly the same amount, unless the guy in the 300C is either lying about his trap speed, screwing up mightily (i.e., shifting himself, not a good idea w/that tranny as it shifts s-l-o-w-l-y in manual mode, unless they've fixed it since I had mine), was carrying a lot of extra weight, or had something go wrong w/his car.
So, in yet another link in a long chain, we see yet another Jon story that defies the laws of physics.
For the two people out there that buy this: I've got some real estate for sale, a condo in Miami. Wanna buy? I promise, it's a great investment!!
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Well, get a vidcam and give him a few runs and get 'em up here, along with his 115 mph timeslip. If you'd ever put some vids up here, it would certainly silence the doubters.
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I don't know what your C63 traps at, nor do you, but according to you, your CLK55 trapped at 108.6, and it was that car that you said ran a 115-trapping 300C all the way up to 140, only losing a few lengths in the process. So, what I'd like to see is video of your CLK55 doing what you said it could do, as I don't think it's plausible.
If in this video you run as close to him as you say without getting a jump and can establish that his car did, in fact trap at 115 mph, then I'll be very happy to eat my words.
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Re-read what I wrote where I said that at Atco everybodys car will do fast times because it is one of the fastest tracks on the east coast. And the word I stressed is probably 111 to 112mph, bottom line is that my 5.5L converted C43 is faster than your CLK55. I will def go run at Atco as soon as it opens again. Bring your CLK55 to E-town and we can run for 1k. Put up or shut up clown! And stop your lies Son!![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
I guaurantee your car won't run 108mph. Put up the loot SON!
Now continue with your lies again about how your car runs with Will's SRT8 from 40 to 120mph.![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
You are a very delusional young man who needs help.
Hey how about racing my 15 yr old eagle Talon vs your C63 for 1K? Should help you with a car payment if you win.
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I guaurantee your car won't run 108mph. Put up the loot SON!
Now continue with your lies again about how your car runs with Will's SRT8 from 40 to 120mph.
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You are a very delusional young man who needs help.
Hey how about racing my 15 yr old eagle Talon vs your C63 for 1K? Should help you with a car payment if you win.
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Say what? We're talking about your CLK55, and your claim that it'll run within two lengths of a car that traps 115 all the way up to 140, which I think is rubbish.
I don't know what your C63 traps at, nor do you, but according to you, your CLK55 trapped at 108.6, and it was that car that you said ran a 115-trapping 300C all the way up to 140, only losing a few lengths in the process. So, what I'd like to see is video of your CLK55 doing what you said it could do, as I don't think it's plausible.
If in this video you run as close to him as you say without getting a jump and can establish that his car did, in fact trap at 115 mph, then I'll be very happy to eat my words.
I don't know what your C63 traps at, nor do you, but according to you, your CLK55 trapped at 108.6, and it was that car that you said ran a 115-trapping 300C all the way up to 140, only losing a few lengths in the process. So, what I'd like to see is video of your CLK55 doing what you said it could do, as I don't think it's plausible.
If in this video you run as close to him as you say without getting a jump and can establish that his car did, in fact trap at 115 mph, then I'll be very happy to eat my words.
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Re-read what I wrote where I said that at Atco everybodys car will do fast times because it is one of the fastest tracks on the east coast. And the word I stressed is probably 111 to 112mph, bottom line is that my 5.5L converted C43 is faster than your CLK55. I will def go run at Atco as soon as it opens again. Bring your CLK55 to E-town and we can run for 1k. Put up or shut up clown! And stop your lies Son!![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
I guaurantee your car won't run 108mph. Put up the loot SON!
Now continue with your lies again about how your car runs with Will's SRT8 from 40 to 120mph.![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
You are a very delusional young man who needs help.
Hey how about racing my 15 yr old eagle Talon vs your C63 for 1K? Should help you with a car payment if you win.![naughty](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/naughty.gif)
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I guaurantee your car won't run 108mph. Put up the loot SON!
Now continue with your lies again about how your car runs with Will's SRT8 from 40 to 120mph.
![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
You are a very delusional young man who needs help.
Hey how about racing my 15 yr old eagle Talon vs your C63 for 1K? Should help you with a car payment if you win.
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Re-read what I wrote where I said that at Atco everybodys car will do fast times because it is one of the fastest tracks on the east coast. And the word I stressed is probably 111 to 112mph, bottom line is that my 5.5L converted C43 is faster than your CLK55. I will def go run at Atco as soon as it opens again. Bring your CLK55 to E-town and we can run for 1k. Put up or shut up clown! And stop your lies Son!![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
I guaurantee your car won't run 108mph. Put up the loot SON!
Now continue with your lies again about how your car runs with Will's SRT8 from 40 to 120mph.![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
You are a very delusional young man who needs help.
Hey how about racing my 15 yr old eagle Talon vs your C63 for 1K? Should help you with a car payment if you win.![naughty](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/naughty.gif)
![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
I guaurantee your car won't run 108mph. Put up the loot SON!
Now continue with your lies again about how your car runs with Will's SRT8 from 40 to 120mph.
![rolf](https://mbworld.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
You are a very delusional young man who needs help.
Hey how about racing my 15 yr old eagle Talon vs your C63 for 1K? Should help you with a car payment if you win.
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Do you really think that anyone believes any of this crap? Honestly, what a waste of time.
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There is NO WAY that a 13.2 @ 108.6 car would be within two carlengths of a 12.5 @ 115 car in a 40-120 run, unless you jumped the gun, he screwed up mightily (doubtful if he can run a 12.5), or something was wrong with his car. It is physically impossible. Simple college-level Physics and Algebra will prove this, as will simple common sense, which you seem to believe that everyone here lacks: if he's accelerating to 6.5 mph faster than you in a 1/4 mile distance, then at the end of that distance since he is going faster, he will be pulling away from you.
Further, the very nature of acceleration is such that due to the higher multiplicative effect of lower gears at lower speeds, he'd pull away from you very quickly at lower speeds. Which, again, shows that you're making yet another BS claim, and as usual, when challenged to replicate it, you duck, dodge, weave, do everything but actually try to prove it, while if it's a run that you *know* you can win, like running your C63 against a car you know to be slower than yours, you suddenly turn from Ms. Mouse into Mr. Macho, and accuse anyone who won't show up and prove what common sense already tells anyone with a brain of being a wimp.
YOU made the claim. So far, you've claimed your CLK55 will run with an S/C AMG car from 5-60, that it beat an E90 M3 in a rolling race up pas 130 mph, that it pulled a supercharged Mustang, and now that it ran within two lengths of a 12.5 @ 115 mph car from 40-120.
Ridiculous.
And as is usual with the impossible claims with which you keep polluting this forum, you again refuse to make an honest effort to prove your claim, just as you refused to make any honest effort to prove the three previous, equally nonsensical claims.
Which to me proves that you're nothing but a habitual liar and a troll, who should've been kicked out of here a long time ago.
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