Stock C63 vs stock 10 E63
04-21-2010, 11:38 PM
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That is my cousin he is on this board as E55AMGGG04, he ran 3 different stock C63 and beat them all, 2 of them he ran over 3 times each.
He also raced a E63 w211 and was abot even and beat it slightly up top at 120mph+ speed..
^^ ROFL WOW, im surprised he didnt completely walk your car hard!!
your boost drop to hell and takes forever to ramp back up!!
Here is my log off my 2010 E90 335i M-sport with 1600 miles on it, all stock.
Not only do i NOT loose any boost in between the shifts, i ramp up boost pretty hard over my sustained 14-15 psi.
I spike to 18psi between the shift and come back down to sustain quickly!!! and 2-3rd to 16.5psi between the shifts.
*NOTE: this is a rough datalog, as im still adapting the car and fixing some settings
pretty overall pretty good power for 14-14.5 psi.
Myst if you can get your car to hold boost and not bog in between shifts, that going to help you alot!!
Try powershifting and not letting off the gas, stay WOT between shifts
He also raced a E63 w211 and was abot even and beat it slightly up top at 120mph+ speed..
^^ ROFL WOW, im surprised he didnt completely walk your car hard!!
your boost drop to hell and takes forever to ramp back up!!
Here is my log off my 2010 E90 335i M-sport with 1600 miles on it, all stock.
Not only do i NOT loose any boost in between the shifts, i ramp up boost pretty hard over my sustained 14-15 psi.
I spike to 18psi between the shift and come back down to sustain quickly!!! and 2-3rd to 16.5psi between the shifts.
*NOTE: this is a rough datalog, as im still adapting the car and fixing some settings
pretty overall pretty good power for 14-14.5 psi.Myst if you can get your car to hold boost and not bog in between shifts, that going to help you alot!!
Try powershifting and not letting off the gas, stay WOT between shifts
I fixed my bogging problem, it's called a Procede. Any 6MT JB3 owner who claims they don't bog is lying or on Map 7 or less. If they think otherwise, let me do a 2-3 shift on that thing, I will make their heart sink. I'm sure when JB3 gets CANbus integration which should be within a few months (I speak to Terry often personally, hell he's the one who sold me the Procede for cheap) the bogging will be resolved, but the only way for 6MTs to not bog on meth (or in some cases without) as of today is to get a Procede.
JB3 works off the factory DME whereas the Procede does not, which means it is not held to factory DME restrictions like reducing boost in cold temperatures. I had to go 100tq 85hp in 53 degree weather and I sustained like 17.3 psi boost when I ran Jon, far less than what I wanted to push, especially on 80/20 meth on a 9GPH nozzle. That's not to say the JB3 is not a great tune, it's not the RIGHT tune for me, for now. Terry and I shoot the ***** all the time and his customer service is amazing.
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04-22-2010, 09:35 AM
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Jon why don't you try out E55AMGGG04? that should be interesting. BTW, is E55AMGGG04 stock. I ran E55 once with my 08 E63 and was about even, so I am assuming that Jon should be able to beat stock E55 especially up top.
04-22-2010, 01:12 PM
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I take it you have never driven a 6MT 135/335? You will either #1 hit the limiter in the lower gears and cut fuel or #2 bog anyway since boost does not fully hold when the clutch is engaged. Same reason why the ATs can hold boost off the line and the MTs can't.
I fixed my bogging problem, it's called a Procede. Any 6MT JB3 owner who claims they don't bog is lying or on Map 7 or less. If they think otherwise, let me do a 2-3 shift on that thing, I will make their heart sink. I'm sure when JB3 gets CANbus integration which should be within a few months (I speak to Terry often personally, hell he's the one who sold me the Procede for cheap) the bogging will be resolved, but the only way for 6MTs to not bog on meth (or in some cases without) as of today is to get a Procede.
JB3 works off the factory DME whereas the Procede does not, which means it is not held to factory DME restrictions like reducing boost in cold temperatures. I had to go 100tq 85hp in 53 degree weather and I sustained like 17.3 psi boost when I ran Jon, far less than what I wanted to push, especially on 80/20 meth on a 9GPH nozzle. That's not to say the JB3 is not a great tune, it's not the RIGHT tune for me, for now. Terry and I shoot the ***** all the time and his customer service is amazing.
I fixed my bogging problem, it's called a Procede. Any 6MT JB3 owner who claims they don't bog is lying or on Map 7 or less. If they think otherwise, let me do a 2-3 shift on that thing, I will make their heart sink. I'm sure when JB3 gets CANbus integration which should be within a few months (I speak to Terry often personally, hell he's the one who sold me the Procede for cheap) the bogging will be resolved, but the only way for 6MTs to not bog on meth (or in some cases without) as of today is to get a Procede.
JB3 works off the factory DME whereas the Procede does not, which means it is not held to factory DME restrictions like reducing boost in cold temperatures. I had to go 100tq 85hp in 53 degree weather and I sustained like 17.3 psi boost when I ran Jon, far less than what I wanted to push, especially on 80/20 meth on a 9GPH nozzle. That's not to say the JB3 is not a great tune, it's not the RIGHT tune for me, for now. Terry and I shoot the ***** all the time and his customer service is amazing.
Yes, the video with my cousins E55 running the 335i where the 335i got beaten, i was in the 335i which was 6MT and he bogging HARD! So i saw this bog first hand.
Reason i bring powershifting up, it seems donal d335i from e90post got his best runs in e-town last week, 12.2, staying WOt between the shift..
And as for the PROcede vs Jb3 for manual, i been reading into it and know the whole story.. That was nice of Terry aswell.
Im sure E55AMGGG04 will be down, i was there when he beat all 3 C63's.. mutliple times. And when he raced the E63...
BTW he has deleted secondary cats and miesterschaft mufflers. All else 100% stock.
04-22-2010, 01:53 PM
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you guys are having all this fun and no1 is calling me !!! Some1 pm with a #. Ill bring the camera. Every race I have done so far has been completely stock. I added meisterschaft mufflers which is no hp gain and I deleted 2nd cats n don't kno wat that results too.
I am def down to meet up. I have run every1 and everything so far so y stop now! I'm all about fun and comparisons.
Jon I would like to run c63 and I'm dying to do a side by side with the 212 63. If every1 agrees to meet up I'll bring the camera and we do so nice hway rolls and bring every1 back a nice videoo treat.
PM boysssss
I am def down to meet up. I have run every1 and everything so far so y stop now! I'm all about fun and comparisons.
Jon I would like to run c63 and I'm dying to do a side by side with the 212 63. If every1 agrees to meet up I'll bring the camera and we do so nice hway rolls and bring every1 back a nice videoo treat.
PM boysssss
04-22-2010, 01:57 PM
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you guys are having all this fun and no1 is calling me !!! Some1 pm with a #. Ill bring the camera. Every race I have done so far has been completely stock. I added meisterschaft mufflers which is no hp gain and I deleted 2nd cats n don't kno wat that results too.
I am def down to meet up. I have run every1 and everything so far so y stop now! I'm all about fun and comparisons.
Jon I would like to run c63 and I'm dying to do a side by side with the 212 63. If every1 agrees to meet up I'll bring the camera and we do so nice hway rolls and bring every1 back a nice videoo treat.
PM boysssss
I am def down to meet up. I have run every1 and everything so far so y stop now! I'm all about fun and comparisons.
Jon I would like to run c63 and I'm dying to do a side by side with the 212 63. If every1 agrees to meet up I'll bring the camera and we do so nice hway rolls and bring every1 back a nice videoo treat.
PM boysssss
04-22-2010, 02:27 PM
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let me put it down for you guys how it realy is not how you might belive it is.
A stock c63 vs a stock e55 e55 will win no matter what. all driver has to do is leave traction on and smash the gas.
a stock c63 vs a 08 e63, the e63 will walk it top end no question about it.
a stock c63 vs a 2010 e63 should be no problem for the e63, BUT if the e63 has 1500 miles its not running full 518 hp bottom line.
now a stock e55 vs a stock 08 e63 is dead even
as far as a 2010 e63 racing stock e55 and 08 e63 the 2010 e63 should win low end top end everything.
winner in this will be the 2010 e63. 1 has more power then c63 and e55 and 08 e63 plus beter gearing and MCT comon guys wake up and stop tricking your minds thinking a 2010 e63 will lose to 5year old car or a c class with 80hp less.
A stock c63 vs a stock e55 e55 will win no matter what. all driver has to do is leave traction on and smash the gas.
a stock c63 vs a 08 e63, the e63 will walk it top end no question about it.
a stock c63 vs a 2010 e63 should be no problem for the e63, BUT if the e63 has 1500 miles its not running full 518 hp bottom line.
now a stock e55 vs a stock 08 e63 is dead even
as far as a 2010 e63 racing stock e55 and 08 e63 the 2010 e63 should win low end top end everything.
winner in this will be the 2010 e63. 1 has more power then c63 and e55 and 08 e63 plus beter gearing and MCT comon guys wake up and stop tricking your minds thinking a 2010 e63 will lose to 5year old car or a c class with 80hp less.
04-22-2010, 02:34 PM
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let me put it down for you guys how it realy is not how you might belive it is.
A stock c63 vs a stock e55 e55 will win no matter what. all driver has to do is leave traction on and smash the gas.
a stock c63 vs a 08 e63, the e63 will walk it top end no question about it.
a stock c63 vs a 2010 e63 should be no problem for the e63, BUT if the e63 has 1500 miles its not running full 518 hp bottom line.
now a stock e55 vs a stock 08 e63 is dead even
as far as a 2010 e63 racing stock e55 and 08 e63 the 2010 e63 should win low end top end everything.
winner in this will be the 2010 e63. 1 has more power then c63 and e55 and 08 e63 plus beter gearing and MCT comon guys wake up and stop tricking your minds thinking a 2010 e63 will lose to 5year old car or a c class with 80hp less.
A stock c63 vs a stock e55 e55 will win no matter what. all driver has to do is leave traction on and smash the gas.
a stock c63 vs a 08 e63, the e63 will walk it top end no question about it.
a stock c63 vs a 2010 e63 should be no problem for the e63, BUT if the e63 has 1500 miles its not running full 518 hp bottom line.
now a stock e55 vs a stock 08 e63 is dead even
as far as a 2010 e63 racing stock e55 and 08 e63 the 2010 e63 should win low end top end everything.
winner in this will be the 2010 e63. 1 has more power then c63 and e55 and 08 e63 plus beter gearing and MCT comon guys wake up and stop tricking your minds thinking a 2010 e63 will lose to 5year old car or a c class with 80hp less.
. Ill be waiting for a reply.
04-22-2010, 03:06 PM
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let me put it down for you guys how it realy is not how you might belive it is.
A stock c63 vs a stock e55 e55 will win no matter what. all driver has to do is leave traction on and smash the gas.
a stock c63 vs a 08 e63, the e63 will walk it top end no question about it.
a stock c63 vs a 2010 e63 should be no problem for the e63, BUT if the e63 has 1500 miles its not running full 518 hp bottom line.
now a stock e55 vs a stock 08 e63 is dead even
as far as a 2010 e63 racing stock e55 and 08 e63 the 2010 e63 should win low end top end everything.
winner in this will be the 2010 e63. 1 has more power then c63 and e55 and 08 e63 plus beter gearing and MCT comon guys wake up and stop tricking your minds thinking a 2010 e63 will lose to 5year old car or a c class with 80hp less.
A stock c63 vs a stock e55 e55 will win no matter what. all driver has to do is leave traction on and smash the gas.
a stock c63 vs a 08 e63, the e63 will walk it top end no question about it.
a stock c63 vs a 2010 e63 should be no problem for the e63, BUT if the e63 has 1500 miles its not running full 518 hp bottom line.
now a stock e55 vs a stock 08 e63 is dead even
as far as a 2010 e63 racing stock e55 and 08 e63 the 2010 e63 should win low end top end everything.
winner in this will be the 2010 e63. 1 has more power then c63 and e55 and 08 e63 plus beter gearing and MCT comon guys wake up and stop tricking your minds thinking a 2010 e63 will lose to 5year old car or a c class with 80hp less.
The second race with my 2010 E63 that I just got with around 1300miles and charcoal delete and the outcome was about even all the way.
So we are not just speculating, this is based on real runs. So you are telling me that both of my E63s were just slow, or Jon's C63 is somehow faster than typical. The specs that I posted on this thread clearly indicate that C63 is faster in a straight line even against E55. Again unless E55AMGGG04's E55 is somehow more powerful than stock.
I don't know what to say, but we should definitely run with the E55 for comparison.
04-22-2010, 03:13 PM
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What mthis is saying is all from real world runs.. not speculating...
Lets get this going tonite! would love to see what the new W212 can do...
Hagi today ur day off too, we outttt...
E55AMGGG04 is a healthy running E55 and doesnt fall victim to the threaded failing IC pump. So its a good represenation what a mostly stock E55 can do.
Lets get this going tonite! would love to see what the new W212 can do...
Hagi today ur day off too, we outttt...
E55AMGGG04 is a healthy running E55 and doesnt fall victim to the threaded failing IC pump. So its a good represenation what a mostly stock E55 can do.
04-22-2010, 03:28 PM
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Hey, the problem is that we did run my W212 E63 and my 08 E63 with Jon's C63 and the results are: his C63 was pulling from around 120mph (but very slowly) so I give it a win to C63.
The second race with my 2010 E63 that I just got with around 1300miles and charcoal delete and the outcome was about even all the way.
So we are not just speculating, this is based on real runs. So you are telling me that both of my E63s were just slow, or Jon's C63 is somehow faster than typical. The specs that I posted on this thread clearly indicate that C63 is faster in a straight line even against E55. Again unless E55AMGGG04's E55 is somehow more powerful than stock.
I don't know what to say, but we should definitely run with the E55 for comparison.
The second race with my 2010 E63 that I just got with around 1300miles and charcoal delete and the outcome was about even all the way.
So we are not just speculating, this is based on real runs. So you are telling me that both of my E63s were just slow, or Jon's C63 is somehow faster than typical. The specs that I posted on this thread clearly indicate that C63 is faster in a straight line even against E55. Again unless E55AMGGG04's E55 is somehow more powerful than stock.
I don't know what to say, but we should definitely run with the E55 for comparison.
E55 vs 211 E63
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muiX6cgtC1U
E55 vs C63 ( 63 driver not big 1-2-3 racer got the jump )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxAHm...eature=related
E55 vs C63 ( racing coming to an end )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es0eo...eature=related
E55 vs C63 Mthis ( tune/headers/catless ) I did ecu reset (55) and my ecu didnt adapt till 3rd or 4th race
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP__DW2kmO8
E55 vs M5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXQSUwN8s4k
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this is the diff from 1000 miles and 3500 miles on a 63
this is the diff from 1000 miles and 3500 miles on a 63
04-22-2010, 10:33 PM
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Yes, the video with my cousins E55 running the 335i where the 335i got beaten, i was in the 335i which was 6MT and he bogging HARD! So i saw this bog first hand.
Reason i bring powershifting up, it seems donal d335i from e90post got his best runs in e-town last week, 12.2, staying WOt between the shift..
And as for the PROcede vs Jb3 for manual, i been reading into it and know the whole story.. That was nice of Terry aswell.
Im sure E55AMGGG04 will be down, i was there when he beat all 3 C63's.. mutliple times. And when he raced the E63...
BTW he has deleted secondary cats and miesterschaft mufflers. All else 100% stock.
Reason i bring powershifting up, it seems donal d335i from e90post got his best runs in e-town last week, 12.2, staying WOt between the shift..
And as for the PROcede vs Jb3 for manual, i been reading into it and know the whole story.. That was nice of Terry aswell.
Im sure E55AMGGG04 will be down, i was there when he beat all 3 C63's.. mutliple times. And when he raced the E63...
BTW he has deleted secondary cats and miesterschaft mufflers. All else 100% stock.
There are multiple accounts of him running a 12.3@117 on street tires which were verified by others, but that does not change the fact that he is a stupid *** kid who has his girlfriend buying his car parts and doesn't know a meth nozzle from his ***.
Sorry, when you mention Donald, all I see is bs.
Anyway back OT, some people bog, some don't, my guess it has something to do with the actual ECU's interpretation, possibly differences between software versions.
I installed my Procede today and slammed the 2-3 and 3-4 shifts as hard as I could and no bog, just plenty of boost being held and a silky smooth ride. In terms of dialing in the settings, I'll be tinkering tomorrow in preparation for dyno day on Saturday.
I will be going with a 335i that REALLY ran an 11.95@117 as I was there for that run, so was Jon. I can see a big tuner war as me and that 335i have identical mods, only difference being the tune.
