Stock C63 vs stock 10 E63
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Stock C63 vs stock 10 E63
Dont really want to post this. But doing it for a friend. Ok ran my friends 10 E63 comes with 518hp-charcoals delete, also MCT tranny. Way up top we were dead even.
BTW he only has 1500 miles. Mine is bonestock C63 with 15k miles. The 10 e63 is a little quicker then his previous 08 e63 even with 40k+ miles.
BTW he only has 1500 miles. Mine is bonestock C63 with 15k miles. The 10 e63 is a little quicker then his previous 08 e63 even with 40k+ miles.
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Yes indeed we ran and it was a very tight race. But based on the specs:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...s_E63_AMG.html
C63 should win slightly over E63 (drag race). E63 seems to outperform C63 on the track based this information. So, Jon, you were supposed to win this one
And it is definitely faster than 08 63 for sure as confirmed by the same website as well by the several runs we did with my 08 E63 and Jon's C63. So far, no surprises.
On charcoal delete: I asked a mechanic (MB) whether it does anything, and he said that the ECU will adjust to the new air flow and no hp gains will be realized, the only thing you may notice is somewhat better throttle response. I am actually thinking to put charcoal filters back.
So stock C63 ~ 10 E63 > 08 E63. Again so far all the sources, specs and confirm this equation (~ mean about equal). Keep in mind my E63 has a pano which to my knowledge adds another 100+ pound to the weight of the car.
Albert.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...s_E63_AMG.html
C63 should win slightly over E63 (drag race). E63 seems to outperform C63 on the track based this information. So, Jon, you were supposed to win this one
And it is definitely faster than 08 63 for sure as confirmed by the same website as well by the several runs we did with my 08 E63 and Jon's C63. So far, no surprises.
On charcoal delete: I asked a mechanic (MB) whether it does anything, and he said that the ECU will adjust to the new air flow and no hp gains will be realized, the only thing you may notice is somewhat better throttle response. I am actually thinking to put charcoal filters back.
So stock C63 ~ 10 E63 > 08 E63. Again so far all the sources, specs and confirm this equation (~ mean about equal). Keep in mind my E63 has a pano which to my knowledge adds another 100+ pound to the weight of the car.
Albert.
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Yes indeed we ran and it was a very tight race. But based on the specs:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...s_E63_AMG.html
C63 should win slightly over E63 (drag race). E63 seems to outperform C63 on the track based this information. So, Jon, you were supposed to win this one
And it is definitely faster than 08 63 for sure as confirmed by the same website as well by the several runs we did with my 08 E63 and Jon's C63. So far, no surprises.
On charcoal delete: I asked a mechanic (MB) whether it does anything, and he said that the ECU will adjust to the new air flow and no hp gains will be realized, the only thing you may notice is somewhat better throttle response. I am actually thinking to put charcoal filters back.
So stock C63 ~ 10 E63 > 08 E63. Again so far all the sources, specs and confirm this equation (~ mean about equal). Keep in mind my E63 has a pano which to my knowledge adds another 100+ pound to the weight of the car.
Albert.
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...s_E63_AMG.html
C63 should win slightly over E63 (drag race). E63 seems to outperform C63 on the track based this information. So, Jon, you were supposed to win this one
And it is definitely faster than 08 63 for sure as confirmed by the same website as well by the several runs we did with my 08 E63 and Jon's C63. So far, no surprises.
On charcoal delete: I asked a mechanic (MB) whether it does anything, and he said that the ECU will adjust to the new air flow and no hp gains will be realized, the only thing you may notice is somewhat better throttle response. I am actually thinking to put charcoal filters back.
So stock C63 ~ 10 E63 > 08 E63. Again so far all the sources, specs and confirm this equation (~ mean about equal). Keep in mind my E63 has a pano which to my knowledge adds another 100+ pound to the weight of the car.
Albert.
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Jon, the comparison link is with a regular C63 (I dont think there is a difference between 09 and 10 in power output) so that should be the same. The C63 2010 with AMG Performance Plus is even faster. Again, I don't think yours is exception, but rather an expected result. Check out that website with different combo and you will see that. C63 stock (no AMG perf) > 08 63 Stock and much closer with 2010 E63, which what we observed during our runs.
Second, the 2010 C63 with AMG Performance Plus would blow away the stock E63 for sure, again as shown by the specs as well.
For some reason, the expectation was that E63 is faster because it has a higher HP rating, but it is also heavier. it is also possible that your is somewhat underrated as well. But is interesting is that the website does confirm our experiences as well.
Discipline C 63 AMG E63 AMG 2010
Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 155 m/h (250 km/h)
0-100 km/h acceleration 4.4 4.5
0-160 km/h acceleration 9.2 9.5
0-200 km/h acceleration 14.0 14.4
0-300 km/h acceleration - -
Quarter mile time 12.3 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Power/weight ratio 0.19 0.22
Below is the link for 2010 C63 with Performance Package Plus against E63 2010:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...s_E63_AMG.html
Discipline C 63 AMG Performance Package Plus E63 AMG
Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 155 m/h (250 km/h)
0-100 km/h acceleration 4.4 4.5
0-160 km/h acceleration - 9.5
0-200 km/h acceleration 13.9 14.4
0-300 km/h acceleration - -
Quarter mile time - 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Power/weight ratio 0.2 0.22
So, Jon, it seems that you should not be surprised that you were even, you should be surprised why you did not pull harder. hehe.
Albert.
Second, the 2010 C63 with AMG Performance Plus would blow away the stock E63 for sure, again as shown by the specs as well.
For some reason, the expectation was that E63 is faster because it has a higher HP rating, but it is also heavier. it is also possible that your is somewhat underrated as well. But is interesting is that the website does confirm our experiences as well.
Discipline C 63 AMG E63 AMG 2010
Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 155 m/h (250 km/h)
0-100 km/h acceleration 4.4 4.5
0-160 km/h acceleration 9.2 9.5
0-200 km/h acceleration 14.0 14.4
0-300 km/h acceleration - -
Quarter mile time 12.3 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Power/weight ratio 0.19 0.22
Below is the link for 2010 C63 with Performance Package Plus against E63 2010:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...s_E63_AMG.html
Discipline C 63 AMG Performance Package Plus E63 AMG
Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 155 m/h (250 km/h)
0-100 km/h acceleration 4.4 4.5
0-160 km/h acceleration - 9.5
0-200 km/h acceleration 13.9 14.4
0-300 km/h acceleration - -
Quarter mile time - 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Power/weight ratio 0.2 0.22
So, Jon, it seems that you should not be surprised that you were even, you should be surprised why you did not pull harder. hehe.
Albert.
Last edited by AlbertM; Apr 20, 2010 at 12:11 PM. Reason: add more info
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Jon check out https://mbworld.org/forums/c63-amg-w...63-vs-e63.html
The results are completely inline. So no surprises.
The results are completely inline. So no surprises.
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Jon, the comparison link is with a regular C63 (I dont think there is a difference between 09 and 10 in power output) so that should be the same. The C63 2010 with AMG Performance Plus is even faster. Again, I don't think yours is exception, but rather an expected result. Check out that website with different combo and you will see that. C63 stock (no AMG perf) > 08 63 Stock and much closer with 2010 E63, which what we observed during our runs.
Second, the 2010 C63 with AMG Performance Plus would blow away the stock E63 for sure, again as shown by the specs as well.
For some reason, the expectation was that E63 is faster because it has a higher HP rating, but it is also heavier. it is also possible that your is somewhat underrated as well. But is interesting is that the website does confirm our experiences as well.
Discipline C 63 AMG E63 AMG 2010
Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 155 m/h (250 km/h)
0-100 km/h acceleration 4.4 4.5
0-160 km/h acceleration 9.2 9.5
0-200 km/h acceleration 14.0 14.4
0-300 km/h acceleration - -
Quarter mile time 12.3 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Power/weight ratio 0.19 0.22
Below is the link for 2010 C63 with Performance Package Plus against E63 2010:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...s_E63_AMG.html
Discipline C 63 AMG Performance Package Plus E63 AMG
Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 155 m/h (250 km/h)
0-100 km/h acceleration 4.4 4.5
0-160 km/h acceleration - 9.5
0-200 km/h acceleration 13.9 14.4
0-300 km/h acceleration - -
Quarter mile time - 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Power/weight ratio 0.2 0.22
So, Jon, it seems that you should not be surprised that you were even, you should be surprised why you did not pull harder. hehe.
Albert.
Second, the 2010 C63 with AMG Performance Plus would blow away the stock E63 for sure, again as shown by the specs as well.
For some reason, the expectation was that E63 is faster because it has a higher HP rating, but it is also heavier. it is also possible that your is somewhat underrated as well. But is interesting is that the website does confirm our experiences as well.
Discipline C 63 AMG E63 AMG 2010
Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 155 m/h (250 km/h)
0-100 km/h acceleration 4.4 4.5
0-160 km/h acceleration 9.2 9.5
0-200 km/h acceleration 14.0 14.4
0-300 km/h acceleration - -
Quarter mile time 12.3 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Power/weight ratio 0.19 0.22
Below is the link for 2010 C63 with Performance Package Plus against E63 2010:
http://www.fastestlaps.com/compariso...s_E63_AMG.html
Discipline C 63 AMG Performance Package Plus E63 AMG
Max speed 155 m/h (250 km/h) 155 m/h (250 km/h)
0-100 km/h acceleration 4.4 4.5
0-160 km/h acceleration - 9.5
0-200 km/h acceleration 13.9 14.4
0-300 km/h acceleration - -
Quarter mile time - 12.5 @ 114.5mph
Power/weight ratio 0.2 0.22
So, Jon, it seems that you should not be surprised that you were even, you should be surprised why you did not pull harder. hehe.
Albert.
Bottom line is a typical stock E63 traps 116+. Doesnt make sense my stock C63 traps higher.
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But Albert the fastest stock 08 E63 on dragtimes is 11.9@118+. Fastest stock C63 is a 12.2@115+. Going by that the E63 is a faster car. Also when you had the 08 E63 you pulled C63s. Except my C63 Bottom line is a typical stock E63 traps 116+. Doesnt make sense my stock C63 traps higher.
Bottom line is a typical stock E63 traps 116+. Doesnt make sense my stock C63 traps higher.In general, from statistics we should fall within the mean, you can take the extreme case for each and than compare against it -- this would not be a useful comparison.
So Jon, you definitely have a fast car no question. But assigning it special "powers" is a bit silly. What we've seen confirms an averaged outcome, that is all.
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AlbertM:
Did you guys run 6+ times back to back?
Apparently he declares himself the winner because I lost by half a car length to 130 on the 6th run when my **** stock FMIC was heatsoaked to hell and back and forgot about the first two runs when he lost by half a car length with me bogging in between shifts.
Jon also believes if the run isn't to 150 MPH, it doesn't count.
An example of what I went through in between shifts against Jon...
TPS-10 = WOT, TPS-0 shift event, look at what happens after the shift event, no fuel, no boost, just slams into a wall.
This is MY own log by the way. Oh well, downfalls of tuning sometimes... hope to have this resolved on Thursday.
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Albert, care to run a 135i? You seem to be a far more sensible person than Jon who believes he can beat anything short of a ZR1, and will find a way to somehow mag race a victory against that one as well.
Did you guys run 6+ times back to back?
Apparently he declares himself the winner because I lost by half a car length to 130 on the 6th run when my **** stock FMIC was heatsoaked to hell and back and forgot about the first two runs when he lost by half a car length with me bogging in between shifts.
Jon also believes if the run isn't to 150 MPH, it doesn't count.
An example of what I went through in between shifts against Jon...
TPS-10 = WOT, TPS-0 shift event, look at what happens after the shift event, no fuel, no boost, just slams into a wall.
This is MY own log by the way. Oh well, downfalls of tuning sometimes... hope to have this resolved on Thursday.
.Albert, care to run a 135i?
You seem to be a far more sensible person than Jon who believes he can beat anything short of a ZR1, and will find a way to somehow mag race a victory against that one as well.
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But Albert the fastest stock 08 E63 on dragtimes is 11.9@118+. Fastest stock C63 is a 12.2@115+. Going by that the E63 is a faster car. Also when you had the 08 E63 you pulled C63s. Except my C63 Bottom line is a typical stock E63 traps 116+. Doesnt make sense my stock C63 traps higher.
Bottom line is a typical stock E63 traps 116+. Doesnt make sense my stock C63 traps higher.And you trapped 114-115. I trapped 115.3 before installing meth
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AlbertM:
Did you guys run 6+ times back to back?
Apparently he declares himself the winner because I lost by half a car length to 130 on the 6th run when my **** stock FMIC was heatsoaked to hell and back and forgot about the first two runs when he lost by half a car length with me bogging in between shifts.
Jon also believes if the run isn't to 150 MPH, it doesn't count.
An example of what I went through in between shifts against Jon...
TPS-10 = WOT, TPS-0 shift event, look at what happens after the shift event, no fuel, no boost, just slams into a wall.
This is MY own log by the way. Oh well, downfalls of tuning sometimes... hope to have this resolved on Thursday.
.
Albert, care to run a 135i? You seem to be a far more sensible person than Jon who believes he can beat anything short of a ZR1, and will find a way to somehow mag race a victory against that one as well.
Did you guys run 6+ times back to back?
Apparently he declares himself the winner because I lost by half a car length to 130 on the 6th run when my **** stock FMIC was heatsoaked to hell and back and forgot about the first two runs when he lost by half a car length with me bogging in between shifts.
Jon also believes if the run isn't to 150 MPH, it doesn't count.
An example of what I went through in between shifts against Jon...
TPS-10 = WOT, TPS-0 shift event, look at what happens after the shift event, no fuel, no boost, just slams into a wall.
This is MY own log by the way. Oh well, downfalls of tuning sometimes... hope to have this resolved on Thursday.
.Albert, care to run a 135i?
You seem to be a far more sensible person than Jon who believes he can beat anything short of a ZR1, and will find a way to somehow mag race a victory against that one as well.I would run your 135i as well, I am sure it would be fun
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We ran only 3 times: first one I pulled, but Jon said he let off the gas shortly after the 3 honks, 2 second run I forgot to deactivate my ESP and it went off like crazy so it was no good, and the last run was about even. So we only ran 3 times. in which the first 2 were discounted.
I would run your 135i as well, I am sure it would be fun
I would run your 135i as well, I am sure it would be fun
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Jon, so how do you explain the results posted in the links from fastestlaps? Are they not credible? I think you've assumed that C63 should be slower than E63 always and that somehow your C63 is special. So far the results show that fastestlap.com are in fact accurate and correlate with real world results -- which is stock C63 is a tad faster than even 2010 E63 in straight line (on average). Why do you discount and averaged result, but instead you take the fastest for E63 and fastest for C63? There are far too many variables to consider how each of these runs was achieved. There are far too many discussions around how pano roof hurts performance, etc etc, even how much gas you have in the tank. I mean the list goes go on. Take the average (mean) and compare against it.
In general, from statistics we should fall within the mean, you can take the extreme case for each and than compare against it -- this would not be a useful comparison.
So Jon, you definitely have a fast car no question. But assigning it special "powers" is a bit silly. What we've seen confirms an averaged outcome, that is all.
In general, from statistics we should fall within the mean, you can take the extreme case for each and than compare against it -- this would not be a useful comparison.
So Jon, you definitely have a fast car no question. But assigning it special "powers" is a bit silly. What we've seen confirms an averaged outcome, that is all.
BTW I had 1/2 tank of gas.
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New tune is going in tomorrow boys, I can push boost all the way up and not bog! Can't wait!!!!!!!!!
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Averaging out the timeslips on dragtimes which are hardly a representative sample? That's just plain silly. Driver skill and tires are a big factor, since you're running slightly worse than average times of the typical stock C63. That is like saying the 135i is a 12.5 second car on the average, when it's clearly not. There are 135/335s close to breaking 10's on dragtimes with stock turbos and motor. I will never be faster than an 11.7 - 11.8 car @ 117-118 on drag radials, can't even bother running on street tires honestly.
New tune is going in tomorrow boys, I can push boost all the way up and not bog! Can't wait!!!!!!!!!
New tune is going in tomorrow boys, I can push boost all the way up and not bog! Can't wait!!!!!!!!!
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The point is, both cars are very close. But in my view the slight edge for C63 for straight line. BTW, I had full tank of gas (filled up before we met). But regardless, very close indeed.
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Just quick question in all this. E55 posible walk W212 E63 ?
According to a member here, a stock E55K has walk a stock C63
And If C63 can walk a new 212 E63 then... Or I really need to get the K1 pkg to be as fast as 212 e63 ?
According to a member here, a stock E55K has walk a stock C63
And If C63 can walk a new 212 E63 then... Or I really need to get the K1 pkg to be as fast as 212 e63 ?
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That is my cousin he is on this board as E55AMGGG04, he ran 3 different stock C63 and beat them all, 2 of them he ran over 3 times each.
He also raced a E63 w211 and was abot even and beat it slightly up top at 120mph+ speed..
AlbertM:
Did you guys run 6+ times back to back?
Apparently he declares himself the winner because I lost by half a car length to 130 on the 6th run when my **** stock FMIC was heatsoaked to hell and back and forgot about the first two runs when he lost by half a car length with me bogging in between shifts.
Jon also believes if the run isn't to 150 MPH, it doesn't count.
An example of what I went through in between shifts against Jon...
TPS-10 = WOT, TPS-0 shift event, look at what happens after the shift event, no fuel, no boost, just slams into a wall.
This is MY own log by the way. Oh well, downfalls of tuning sometimes... hope to have this resolved on Thursday.
.
Albert, care to run a 135i? You seem to be a far more sensible person than Jon who believes he can beat anything short of a ZR1, and will find a way to somehow mag race a victory against that one as well.
Did you guys run 6+ times back to back?
Apparently he declares himself the winner because I lost by half a car length to 130 on the 6th run when my **** stock FMIC was heatsoaked to hell and back and forgot about the first two runs when he lost by half a car length with me bogging in between shifts.
Jon also believes if the run isn't to 150 MPH, it doesn't count.
An example of what I went through in between shifts against Jon...
TPS-10 = WOT, TPS-0 shift event, look at what happens after the shift event, no fuel, no boost, just slams into a wall.
This is MY own log by the way. Oh well, downfalls of tuning sometimes... hope to have this resolved on Thursday.
.Albert, care to run a 135i?
You seem to be a far more sensible person than Jon who believes he can beat anything short of a ZR1, and will find a way to somehow mag race a victory against that one as well.your boost drop to hell and takes forever to ramp back up!!
Here is my log off my 2010 E90 335i M-sport with 1600 miles on it, all stock.
Not only do i NOT loose any boost in between the shifts, i ramp up boost pretty hard over my sustained 14-15 psi.
I spike to 18psi between the shift and come back down to sustain quickly!!! and 2-3rd to 16.5psi between the shifts.
*NOTE: this is a rough datalog, as im still adapting the car and fixing some settings
pretty overall pretty good power for 14-14.5 psi.
Myst if you can get your car to hold boost and not bog in between shifts, that going to help you alot!!
Try powershifting and not letting off the gas, stay WOT between shifts
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