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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 01:35 AM
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W210 E55 vs ISF

The e55 is my dd and I drive it about 30 miles to work and 30 miles back. Had a real long work week and was leaving my friends house last nite. So I then decided to do a little bit of spirited driving that nite lol. I hit the freeway and did a few nice pulls to remind me why I love this car. Nothing WOT but just enough to feel the power with the high revs. As I'm getting off the exit I see a black ISF getting ready to go on the highway, so of course I follow him. I catch up to him and we do a few pulls. We go from 50mph after 3 honks and I thrash him lol. I brake to let him catch up and then we do it again except from 80mph. Smashed him again hit about 150 before I brake to let him catch up. We rolled once more at 60, same outcome. I was def feeling good knowing that my 10year old car still has it. Btw my car is not stock.
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 04:00 AM
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nice kill! what do u have on your car? just wondering. From what I hear those IS-Fs are pretty quick
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Old Sep 13, 2011 | 09:22 AM
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Ive got samas' old setup minus and ecu tune at the moment. The reason I havent got it tuned yet is because I want a custom dyno tune. His setup got him 12.5 in the quarter mile, its on dragtimes.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 12:38 PM
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Nice one. I had a run in with some tool bag 20 something in his isf.....I was in my then 220 tuned s65. I beat him so bad I wasn't sure if he was even into it. The best part of it is what a complete a-hole he was pre-race. Laughing at me and explaining what "3 honks" means.......I giggled and said " ok guy, I'll go on the 3rd honk". 2 secs later he was 5 cars behind me. I then ran his tool bag friend in an ls1 heads/cam camaro who asked me "bi-turbo?? Does that mean 2?? "..... Then told me to move whenever I was ready and that he would catch up......his girlfriend riding shotgun the entire time laughing at me and joining in on cracks about the couch on wheels and grandpas sedan, etc. lol. I then embarassed him as well......bad. They were absolutely clueless.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 02:16 PM
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Nice one. I had a run in with some tool bag 20 something in his isf.....I was in my then 220 tuned s65. I beat him so bad I wasn't sure if he was even into it. The best part of it is what a complete a-hole he was pre-race. Laughing at me and explaining what "3 honks" means.......I giggled and said " ok guy, I'll go on the 3rd honk". 2 secs later he was 5 cars behind me. I then ran his tool bag friend in an ls1 heads/cam camaro who asked me "bi-turbo?? Does that mean 2?? "..... Then told me to move whenever I was ready and that he would catch up......his girlfriend riding shotgun the entire time laughing at me and joining in on cracks about the couch on wheels and grandpas sedan, etc. lol. I then embarassed him as well......bad. They were absolutely clueless.
I used to love messing with people like that in my SL55 and the M5.
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Old Sep 17, 2011 | 11:45 PM
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IS-Fs are no joke, they'll give a 55k car a good run....you'd have to be up well over 100 hp above stock trim to do what your're saying; what is the exact setup you've got?
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 12:27 AM
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IS-Fs are no joke, they'll give a 55k car a good run....you'd have to be up well over 100 hp above stock trim to do what your're saying; what is the exact setup you've got?
+1 , what mods ?
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 02:39 AM
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You sure it was a F?

Anything can happen in the streets, but ISFs are pretty easy to drive in a straight line...you must have a *monster* of an engine.
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 11:33 AM
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IS-Fs run like 12.8 stock. They're not THAT fast to be hard to give the 55k competition.
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Old Sep 18, 2011 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by desired_speeds
IS-Fs run like 12.8 stock. They're not THAT fast to be hard to give the 55k competition.
Yes they are. By the numbers:
2008 Lexus IS-F test:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.7 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 4.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 114 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 172 mph

2003 E55 AMG test:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 23.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 117 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph

2003 E55 AMG comparison test:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.5 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.5 sec @ 116 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph

More than fast enough to give a stock 55k car a good run.

Now, if we look at the W210 E55 (i.e. the OP's variety):
C&D specs/test results for 1999 E55 AMG:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 22.4 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 105 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 158 mph

Note that the 210 takes nearly as long to hit 130 as the 211/IS-F take to hit 150; if memory serves, Motor Trend tested the W210 at around 34-35 seconds to 150. That's a huge gap and translates to buslengths up high, where large horsepower differences show up the most dramatically.

By raw numbers, we see that there's about a one second/10 mph trap difference, which at roughly 10 hp/mph gain in 1/4 mi means OP would have to gain around 100 hp over stock to *tie* an IS-F, and to pull it like he's describing up past 150 mph would take even more.

ECU and exhaust aren't gonna get you even close to that ballpark. We're talking spray, blower, or serious internal engine mods to hit these numbers.

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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Improviz
Yes they are. By the numbers:
2008 Lexus IS-F test:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.2 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.8 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.7 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 4.6 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 114 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 172 mph

2003 E55 AMG test:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 23.1 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 4.8 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.7 sec @ 117 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph

2003 E55 AMG comparison test:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.3 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 9.9 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 24.5 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 4.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 12.5 sec @ 116 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 155 mph

More than fast enough to give a stock 55k car a good run.

Now, if we look at the W210 E55 (i.e. the OP's variety):
C&D specs/test results for 1999 E55 AMG:
Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 22.4 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.1 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.5 sec @ 105 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 158 mph

Note that the 210 takes nearly as long to hit 130 as the 211/IS-F take to hit 150; if memory serves, Motor Trend tested the W210 at around 34-35 seconds to 150. That's a huge gap and translates to buslengths up high, where large horsepower differences show up the most dramatically.

By raw numbers, we see that there's about a one second/10 mph trap difference, which at roughly 10 hp/mph gain in 1/4 mi means OP would have to gain around 100 hp over stock to *tie* an IS-F, and to pull it like he's describing up past 150 mph would take even more.

ECU and exhaust aren't gonna get you even close to that ballpark. We're talking spray, blower, or serious internal engine mods to hit these numbers.
+1 Stock W210 349hp, he needs about 100 extra hp to pull a IS-F

ISF 416hp therefore OP still need about extra 70hp.
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by desired_speeds
IS-Fs run like 12.8 stock. They're not THAT fast to be hard to give the 55k competition.
Owned a 2001 E55 and have an IS-F---- you are not gonna take an IS-F unless, like Impro said, you are heavily modded with a blower etc. The IS-F's 8 speed gear box actually helps it shine in the higher speed regions.

Good win either way but he wasnt racing or was scared- which could definitely be the case. But if you line up apples to apples you will need a lot of help to beat it. Maybe it was an IS350 with the F Sport package?
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:14 PM
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I have samas mods from his w210 b4 he sold it and his times r on dragtimes at 12.5 N/A and no nos. I'm running his old setup....
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 07:24 PM
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Arent the guys who have blowers and mods on their 210's run like 11.7?
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by impballr
I have samas mods from his w210 b4 he sold it and his times r on dragtimes at 12.5 N/A and no nos. I'm running his old setup....
I saw his time on dragtimes. It's listed as a 12.5 second 1/4 mile (no scan of a slip is provided), with a 60' time that few 55k cars have been able to beat. Sounds implausible, a definite grain-of-salter with no slip...

But putting that aside, we're talking well beyond the 1/4 here: you said you waxed him up past 150, and the only way to do what you're saying you did is if you've got a blower, are running spray, or have had basically a complete rebuild with some unknown-to-me aftermarket internals that would give you over 100 hp over stock. Physics is physics, and to move that car that much faster over stock would take that much power. To pull an IS-F at those speeds would require that much power. Period.

Outside of it being an IS350, the only other possibility is that the guy was just basically a total moron, made several collossal mistakes, and made them repeatedly over the course of not one, not two, but three consecutive runs, which would take a very rare breed of moron indeed.

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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 10:28 PM
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...Physics is physics, and to move that car that much faster over stock would take that much power. To pull an IS-F at those speeds would require that much power. Period.
+to pull on an IS-F that is trying to race.

I'm never a magazine racer, nor do I doubt your story. As Improviz says though, physics is physics. I almost got an IS-F and got to drive it around a track. It's one helluva fast Toyota haha (sounds amazing too!)
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Old Sep 19, 2011 | 10:45 PM
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+to pull on an IS-F that is trying to race.

I'm never a magazine racer, nor do I doubt your story. As Improviz says though, physics is physics. I almost got an IS-F and got to drive it around a track. It's one helluva fast Toyota haha (sounds amazing too!)
Personal experience backs up the mag numbers: I've run one of those things several times, more than one occasion (same guy) down in Mexico at very very high speeds, and they're quick up high: he gave me pretty good runs, better than the few M3s I've run at those speeds...those things are no joke. I won, but was quite surprised at how well that thing fared.
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Originally Posted by Busa196
Nice one. I had a run in with some tool bag 20 something in his isf.....I was in my then 220 tuned s65. I beat him so bad I wasn't sure if he was even into it. The best part of it is what a complete a-hole he was pre-race. Laughing at me and explaining what "3 honks" means.......I giggled and said " ok guy, I'll go on the 3rd honk". 2 secs later he was 5 cars behind me. I then ran his tool bag friend in an ls1 heads/cam camaro who asked me "bi-turbo?? Does that mean 2?? "..... Then told me to move whenever I was ready and that he would catch up......his girlfriend riding shotgun the entire time laughing at me and joining in on cracks about the couch on wheels and grandpas sedan, etc. lol. I then embarassed him as well......bad. They were absolutely clueless.
Dumb SOB's
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