ZX1100

Charlie...mainly true that the liter bikes are untouchable by any car or bike but you never know what you will run into out there. Imagine running into a Blue/white Viper rolling along at 100mph. Both hit it and the Viper is ahead by 4 car lengths by the tiime the 2003 GSXR1000 hit's it's top speed. I'm sure it can happen

Do you know much about the new ZX10RR coming out? I really want one

pocholin

Thanks, and no, it isn't outdated.

Xpeed

At those speeds my money is on pocholins outdated E55 because the outdated E55 is faster than a stock R/T 10 viper from 80 to 120 mph. And raced a stock R/T 10 viper with a 954rr lets just say the viper was no competition.

ZX1100

No doubt a liter bike is much faster than a stock Viper. I was mentioning my buddies SC Viper when it was 4 lengths ahead of the '03 GSXR1000 when they ran from 100 mph up to 180 mph

As for the E55, I've never raced one but when I do see one I'll be sure to see if it will be faster from 80 to 120 mph. I guess if they are faster than an '03 SL55 with a pulley, chip, exhaust I'll have my hands full I do have headers/exhaust so it wouldn't be fair.

pocholin

OK, after reading everybody's comments I need to ask one more thing:

Who in Houston has a stock Viper or a bike I can race ??? "D

Xpeed

I wouldn’t do it if I were you, the bike and the viper will kill you. The only way you have a chance is on a rolling start at 80+ mph. And the only sports bike you might be able to kill is a 600cc and that’s on a rolling start above 80+mph. I actually did read an article about the E55 and the viper and the E55 was faster 80 to 120 but not 0-80. and there is nothing you can do about the 1000cc sports bikes. Like I was saying with the Honda 954 which is the slowest of the 1000cc bike kicked the vipers *** so bad it was embarrassing had to ease off the throttle when shifted to second to let the viper catch up.

pocholin

Well, that's what I had meant, from a "roll" start at 80 mph

The invitation is open, there's plenty of freeways and people we can put in danger, if we don't do it somebody else will and then we won't have any fun

Xpeed

My bike magazines are at work other wise I would post a picture of a busa that is pushing 500+ hp and looks all shock except the stretched swing arm that’s 1 to 1 HP to weight ratio. This is not the bike its just a picture of a nice looking busa

ABsC280

rookie in da house, i love mercedes, but i also have a 2002 f4i (599cc), and i can't imagine no car, at any speeds keeping up w/me. man, if your guyz' cars come even close, all i have to say is "damn".

on a bike, it really justs matters how crazy you are. i wanted to get the 750 but i just had my 2nd kid so i gots to start chillin out.

Rotty

Poch, that is a good run. ABSc280, don't talk too loud on a 600 cc bike the E55 will give you a good run starting at 80 mph. If you start out in the wrong gear Poch will leave you. I raced a 400 hp camaro from 60 mph on a friend of mines GSXR600. I won, but you would be surprised it wasn't by as far as I thought it would be. I was thinking about 6 car lengths, but it was more like 2. A car has no chance from a dead stop to whatever speed, the weight to hp ratio is in the bikes favor. I would believe that Poch could hang or even beat a 600 cc bike with his E55 from the 80 mph roll. Anything over 600 cc, I doubt. But by all means definitly a good run...

pocholin

Well, the offer is open for anybody in Houston with a 600 cc bike

ABsC280

hey rotty, riding your friend's 600, citing motorcycle specs. what do you own??? yeah i'll top out at 160 but i'll be in 2nd doing 90+, don't have time to look at speedo, got to watch the rev limiter light flash on at 14,000 rpm w/over 100 hp with under 600 lbs total weight (ok, maybe a little more). you must be kidding me. man, i'm pumped up just thinking about riding my bike at those speeds. anyways, my point is, any expirienced rider will either toy with cars or just won't bother...hey don't get me wrong, i love mercedes and the e55 is up there, sportbikes are just a different world.

Rotty

I have been riding bikes for more than 5 years. I am pretty sure what the newer 600's can do. I am just saying that you won't kill an E55 on that roll. You can think what you want, but it will be closer than you think. Hardly any car can beat a bike in the 1/4, but the 80 mph roll is the hardest for a bike compared to a car. A 600 will probably win, but it will be pretty close.

ABsC280

like i said earlier, if it keeps up with me, all i can say is "damn" (this car is !@#$ing fast). then the next day i'd probably sell my car and bike and put a down payment...yeah right, i wish.

ntguru

Here's my 2c:

From a stop, bikes win, hands down. Why? Because at lower speeds power to weight ratio is all that matters. Even a 500lb bike with 100hp has a way better p-w ratio than a 211 E55.

However, as speeds increase--with 60-90mph being a real cutover point--power to weigh ratio becomes less important and drag to power ratio becomes exponentially more important. This is how "fast" cars, especially those with slippery designs, can narrow the gap against bikes. Of course, cars with crappy high speed drag can also fall victim to this. The previous gen Vipers have terrible high speed drag which is why some other cars can dust them from an 80mph roll on. It is also the major reason why a 350 HP C32 has a higher top speed than a 450HP R/T10 (gearing is the other, lesser reason). Another way to look at it is if you have two vehicles with similar power to weight ratios, at higher speeds the vehicle with the biggest combination of low drag and highest HP wins. This is why a 211 E55 is a bit faster to very high speeds than a 996TT. Similar drag and power to weight ratios, but the E55 has almost 100HP more.

ABsC280

just to clear up what you saying... are you saying that an e55 will beat a ducati 996 on the freeway???

ABsC280

my bad, i was so wrapped up in motorcycles. you mean the porshe twin turbo. seriously, new to euros. i went form japanese racing, to crotchrockets, to last month mercedes. i think i'll be hooked on mercedes for life.

Xpeed

Just to clear up everything ducatis are not that fast compared to Japanese bikes, they have better chandelling but are not fast. Why do people think that ducatis are fast. The new 749 ducati is slower than all the Japanese 600. and the 999 is no competition for the Japanies 1000cc bikes, if its not the special edition 999R,and even the 999R is not faster, and I think there are only 800 made every year and the 999 costs 10k more that Japanese bikes and the 999r 20k more. Don’t get me wrong I like ducati I like the way they look and the way the bike feels but when it comes to performance and reliability cant beat the Japanies.

affalterbach

My brother-in-law, a very good rider with a Ducati 600 was severely blown away by a Jaguar at high speed. Pocholin's E55 would probably eat the Ducati for lunch. He still has flashbacks from that embarassment.

Ducati's are beautiful great handling bikes that are slow. He sold his bike and bought a 911.

Xpeed

That’s exactly what I am saying but people think I am hating on Ducatis.

Moon-B

I read that you said that the hayabusa is slow, but how is it the with the Turbo hayabusa? http://www.totalkaosperformance.com/veloprosale.html

03E55AMG

Then come on down here....so you can see...

moebisgold

I've got a VFR and a CR and a XR and... But I feel 100X safer in any of the Benz - at any speed. Part of that is this gettin' old bleep. The Wife actually likes the Benz way better than race cars and bikes, 'Cuz she gets to go for rides and enjoy, sometimes she's smiling more than me! She's come closer to getting a ticket than me. She used to be a nurse and calls them murdercycles to this day.

Xpeed

I was talking about the stock bikes, not modified hell I can modify a civic to beat a busa what is your point.

Moon-B

My point was that, i would have wanted to know if somebody has raced against a turbo-busa...