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Originally posted by charliev68
i can honestly say that there was no car out there that could have beat me and my 02 r1.
the only thing out at that time that could have beat me in everyway would be the suzuki gsxr1000.
as for the brand new 2003 suzuki gsxr1000...it is the ultimate king of the street. it is basically untouchable by any bike or car.
i can honestly say that there was no car out there that could have beat me and my 02 r1.
the only thing out at that time that could have beat me in everyway would be the suzuki gsxr1000.
as for the brand new 2003 suzuki gsxr1000...it is the ultimate king of the street. it is basically untouchable by any bike or car.
Do you know much about the new ZX10RR coming out? I really want one
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Originally posted by ZX1100
Charlie...mainly true that the liter bikes are untouchable by any car or bike but you never know what you will run into out there. Imagine running into a Blue/white Viper rolling along at 100mph. Both hit it and the Viper is ahead by 4 car lengths by the tiime the 2003 GSXR1000 hit's it's top speed. I'm sure it can happen
Do you know much about the new ZX10RR coming out? I really want one
Charlie...mainly true that the liter bikes are untouchable by any car or bike but you never know what you will run into out there. Imagine running into a Blue/white Viper rolling along at 100mph. Both hit it and the Viper is ahead by 4 car lengths by the tiime the 2003 GSXR1000 hit's it's top speed. I'm sure it can happen
Do you know much about the new ZX10RR coming out? I really want one
because the outdated E55 is faster than a stock R/T 10 viper from 80 to 120 mph. And raced a stock R/T 10 viper with a 954rr lets just say the viper was no competition.
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No doubt a liter bike is much faster than a stock Viper. I was mentioning my buddies SC Viper when it was 4 lengths ahead of the '03 GSXR1000 when they ran from 100 mph up to 180 mph
As for the E55, I've never raced one but when I do see one I'll be sure to see if it will be faster from 80 to 120 mph. I guess if they are faster than an '03 SL55 with a pulley, chip, exhaust I'll have my hands full
I do have headers/exhaust so it wouldn't be fair.
As for the E55, I've never raced one but when I do see one I'll be sure to see if it will be faster from 80 to 120 mph. I guess if they are faster than an '03 SL55 with a pulley, chip, exhaust I'll have my hands full
I do have headers/exhaust so it wouldn't be fair.
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I wouldn’t do it if I were you, the bike and the viper will kill you. The only way you have a chance is on a rolling start at 80+ mph. And the only sports bike you might be able to kill is a 600cc and that’s on a rolling start above 80+mph. I actually did read an article about the E55 and the viper and the E55 was faster 80 to 120 but not 0-80. and there is nothing you can do about the 1000cc sports bikes. Like I was saying with the Honda 954 which is the slowest of the 1000cc bike kicked the vipers *** so bad it was embarrassing had to ease off the throttle when shifted to second to let the viper catch up.
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Well, that's what I had meant, from a "roll" start at 80 mph 
The invitation is open, there's plenty of freeways and people we can put in danger, if we don't do it somebody else will and then we won't have any fun
The invitation is open, there's plenty of freeways and people we can put in danger, if we don't do it somebody else will and then we won't have any fun
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Originally posted by ZX1100
No doubt a liter bike is much faster than a stock Viper. I was mentioning my buddies SC Viper when it was 4 lengths ahead of the '03 GSXR1000 when they ran from 100 mph up to 180 mph
As for the E55, I've never raced one but when I do see one I'll be sure to see if it will be faster from 80 to 120 mph. I guess if they are faster than an '03 SL55 with a pulley, chip, exhaust I'll have my hands full I do have headers/exhaust so it wouldn't be fair.
No doubt a liter bike is much faster than a stock Viper. I was mentioning my buddies SC Viper when it was 4 lengths ahead of the '03 GSXR1000 when they ran from 100 mph up to 180 mph
As for the E55, I've never raced one but when I do see one I'll be sure to see if it will be faster from 80 to 120 mph. I guess if they are faster than an '03 SL55 with a pulley, chip, exhaust I'll have my hands full
I do have headers/exhaust so it wouldn't be fair.
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rookie in da house, i love mercedes, but i also have a 2002 f4i (599cc), and i can't imagine no car, at any speeds keeping up w/me. man, if your guyz' cars come even close, all i have to say is "damn".
on a bike, it really justs matters how crazy you are. i wanted to get the 750 but i just had my 2nd kid so i gots to start chillin out.
on a bike, it really justs matters how crazy you are. i wanted to get the 750 but i just had my 2nd kid so i gots to start chillin out.
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Poch, that is a good run. ABSc280, don't talk too loud on a 600 cc bike the E55 will give you a good run starting at 80 mph. If you start out in the wrong gear Poch will leave you. I raced a 400 hp camaro from 60 mph on a friend of mines GSXR600. I won, but you would be surprised it wasn't by as far as I thought it would be. I was thinking about 6 car lengths, but it was more like 2. A car has no chance from a dead stop to whatever speed, the weight to hp ratio is in the bikes favor. I would believe that Poch could hang or even beat a 600 cc bike with his E55 from the 80 mph roll. Anything over 600 cc, I doubt. But by all means definitly a good run...
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hey rotty, riding your friend's 600, citing motorcycle specs. what do you own??? yeah i'll top out at 160 but i'll be in 2nd doing 90+, don't have time to look at speedo, got to watch the rev limiter light flash on at 14,000 rpm w/over 100 hp with under 600 lbs total weight (ok, maybe a little more). you must be kidding me. man, i'm pumped up just thinking about riding my bike at those speeds. anyways, my point is, any expirienced rider will either toy with cars or just won't bother...hey don't get me wrong, i love mercedes and the e55 is up there, sportbikes are just a different world.
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I have been riding bikes for more than 5 years. I am pretty sure what the newer 600's can do. I am just saying that you won't kill an E55 on that roll. You can think what you want, but it will be closer than you think. Hardly any car can beat a bike in the 1/4, but the 80 mph roll is the hardest for a bike compared to a car. A 600 will probably win, but it will be pretty close.
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like i said earlier, if it keeps up with me, all i can say is "damn" (this car is !@#$ing fast). then the next day i'd probably sell my car and bike and put a down payment...yeah right, i wish.
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bikes vs cars
Here's my 2c:
From a stop, bikes win, hands down. Why? Because at lower speeds power to weight ratio is all that matters. Even a 500lb bike with 100hp has a way better p-w ratio than a 211 E55.
However, as speeds increase--with 60-90mph being a real cutover point--power to weigh ratio becomes less important and drag to power ratio becomes exponentially more important. This is how "fast" cars, especially those with slippery designs, can narrow the gap against bikes. Of course, cars with crappy high speed drag can also fall victim to this. The previous gen Vipers have terrible high speed drag which is why some other cars can dust them from an 80mph roll on. It is also the major reason why a 350 HP C32 has a higher top speed than a 450HP R/T10 (gearing is the other, lesser reason). Another way to look at it is if you have two vehicles with similar power to weight ratios, at higher speeds the vehicle with the biggest combination of low drag and highest HP wins. This is why a 211 E55 is a bit faster to very high speeds than a 996TT. Similar drag and power to weight ratios, but the E55 has almost 100HP more.
From a stop, bikes win, hands down. Why? Because at lower speeds power to weight ratio is all that matters. Even a 500lb bike with 100hp has a way better p-w ratio than a 211 E55.
However, as speeds increase--with 60-90mph being a real cutover point--power to weigh ratio becomes less important and drag to power ratio becomes exponentially more important. This is how "fast" cars, especially those with slippery designs, can narrow the gap against bikes. Of course, cars with crappy high speed drag can also fall victim to this. The previous gen Vipers have terrible high speed drag which is why some other cars can dust them from an 80mph roll on. It is also the major reason why a 350 HP C32 has a higher top speed than a 450HP R/T10 (gearing is the other, lesser reason). Another way to look at it is if you have two vehicles with similar power to weight ratios, at higher speeds the vehicle with the biggest combination of low drag and highest HP wins. This is why a 211 E55 is a bit faster to very high speeds than a 996TT. Similar drag and power to weight ratios, but the E55 has almost 100HP more.
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my bad, i was so wrapped up in motorcycles. you mean the porshe twin turbo. seriously, new to euros. i went form japanese racing, to crotchrockets, to last month mercedes. i think i'll be hooked on mercedes for life.
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Just to clear up everything ducatis are not that fast compared to Japanese bikes, they have better chandelling but are not fast. Why do people think that ducatis are fast. The new 749 ducati is slower than all the Japanese 600. and the 999 is no competition for the Japanies 1000cc bikes, if its not the special edition 999R,and even the 999R is not faster, and I think there are only 800 made every year and the 999 costs 10k more that Japanese bikes and the 999r 20k more. Don’t get me wrong I like ducati I like the way they look and the way the bike feels but when it comes to performance and reliability cant beat the Japanies.
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My brother-in-law, a very good rider with a Ducati 600 was severely blown away by a Jaguar at high speed. Pocholin's E55 would probably eat the Ducati for lunch. He still has flashbacks from that embarassment.
Ducati's are beautiful great handling bikes that are slow. He sold his bike and bought a 911.
Ducati's are beautiful great handling bikes that are slow. He sold his bike and bought a 911.
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I read that you said that the hayabusa is slow, but how is it the with the Turbo hayabusa? http://www.totalkaosperformance.com/veloprosale.html
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Originally posted by ABsC280
rookie in da house, i love mercedes, but i also have a 2002 f4i (599cc), and i can't imagine no car, at any speeds keeping up w/me. man, if your guyz' cars come even close, all i have to say is "damn".
on a bike, it really justs matters how crazy you are. i wanted to get the 750 but i just had my 2nd kid so i gots to start chillin out.
rookie in da house, i love mercedes, but i also have a 2002 f4i (599cc), and i can't imagine no car, at any speeds keeping up w/me. man, if your guyz' cars come even close, all i have to say is "damn".
on a bike, it really justs matters how crazy you are. i wanted to get the 750 but i just had my 2nd kid so i gots to start chillin out.
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I've got a VFR and a CR and a XR and... But I feel 100X safer in any of the Benz - at any speed. Part of that is this gettin' old bleep. The Wife actually likes the Benz way better than race cars and bikes, 'Cuz she gets to go for rides and enjoy, sometimes she's smiling more than me!
She's come closer to getting a ticket than me. 
She used to be a nurse and calls them murdercycles to this day.
The Wife actually likes the Benz way better than race cars and bikes, 'Cuz she gets to go for rides and enjoy, sometimes she's smiling more than me! She's come closer to getting a ticket than me. She used to be a nurse and calls them murdercycles to this day.
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Originally posted by Moon-B
I read that you said that the hayabusa is slow, but how is it the with the Turbo hayabusa? http://www.totalkaosperformance.com/veloprosale.html
I read that you said that the hayabusa is slow, but how is it the with the Turbo hayabusa? http://www.totalkaosperformance.com/veloprosale.html
