driving to work this am, i see an e46 m3 convertable 3 cars in front of me, on its way upo the onramp to the freeway. i look over at my passenger, and say "oooooooooohh, it's on!- i hope he bites" - i slide by him in the left lane at about 75, slow up so he can get a good look at the "amg" badge, then change lanes about 2 cars later. i let him pass me shortly thereafter, well almost, then press into it to see if he'll bite. no good, he's not "feel'in" it. i drive for about 5 miles, moderate traffic, always keeping an eye out for the "sneak attack" when, BAM!! HE GOES FOR IT!!!! - He's coming fast- i mean real fast, i barely have enough time to downshift to 3rd and nail it. - i take off like a "cheetah"- he's still reel'in me in, albeit slowly, but wait, - as i tip into 4th, it looks like it is almost dead even- traffic is coming up fast, he's trying to squeak by me when i change lanes(due to traffic), he stays on my *** for about 1-3 seconds,he's about 10 ft off me and i start to pull away. we were at about 130 or so. he eventually exited a couple minutes later. now THAT's a morning wake up. I wasn't sure if i'd get him or not (he had a REAL good jump, and i have a 230lb passenger). what a rush!!

 

the convertables are slower though... but from a roll it shouldnt have changed the outcome by much anyways...

nice kill

 

Good Kill

 

Yes! Another AMG kill! Good job!

 

Not to burst your bubble, but it all driver..

http://www.track-challenge.com/main_e.asp

 

don't really care much about the "stats" of tested cars. this is the real world we live in. driver error, missed shift, added weight of passenger or conv top, or whatever the excuse is, i still won, and that's what matters. just another feather in my cap. btw i race for fun, the only thing that could "burst my bubble" is if someone gets hurt.

 

Those aren't normal stats on that link. They are pro-racers who test cars in Germany. They are probably some of the best drivers in the WORLD. Its not car and driver or auto-mag stats either. Its testing a car and pushing it to a limit that no one here has. Period. Driver error or not, its fun to read the "stories".

 

it's not a "story" of a hyundai accent beating an F40 here. the m3 and clk55 are pretty closely matched, so whatever the outcome, of corse the driver has most of the influence on. the same goes for any "professional" racing as well. wouldn't you agree when jeff gordon or michael andretti win a race, it is pretty much mostly due to their driving skills, as most of the top racer's cars are closely matched as well. it's just fun for bragging rights. i'm sure there is an m3/driver somewhere that can beat me and my car, i just haven't encountered them yet.

 

 

so germany's best drivers in the world couldnt get the C32 to 62mph faster than 5.5 secs?

i guess we have some of the best drivers in the world right here at MBWORLD.ORG then cause alot of ppl here have gotten times faster than 5.5secs

 

Many of the following are from M3 drivers. Lotta driver error out there, eh?

No, there isn't. The times you see are from the slight advantage a manual has over an auto on launch, and from the fact that the M3's lower torque and wider rear tires make it easier to get rolling without massive wheelspin. As anyone who has one can tell you, the CLK55 is prone to lots of spin, which hurts its off-the-line time, which gives it a deceptively slower ET in car mags.

But real-world tells the story, and I've pulled so many M3's in rolling-start races that I frankly don't even worry about them any more. Easy money.

E46 M3 owner vs. his Dad's CLK55: four races, four wins for CLK55

E46 M3 owner: two races, two wins for CLK55

E46 M3 owner: multiple races, M5 vs. M3 vs. CLK55; CLK55 wins all

CLK55 owner vs M3: two races, one win for CLK55, one tie, both on video

CLK55 owner vs his brother's M5: multiple runs, dead even (M5s are faster than M3s)

M5 owner who switched to CLK55 reports CLK55 is just as quick

M3 owner reports runs with W210 E55: dead even race

(note that W210 E55 is about 200 pounds heavier than W208 CLK55, with same HP and gearing, so from a roll CLK should be quicker, i.e., based upon these results it would pull M3)

add another E46 M3 owner to the list:

add still another E46 M3 owner to the list:

And here are four more for you:
Motorweek's test of CLK55 AMG: 13.4@107

Motorweek's test of E46 M3: 13.5@107

Edmunds's test of CLK55 AMG: 13.48@106.3

Edmunds's test of M3: 13.5@105

Finally, a few C32 stories:

C32 vs M3: guess who won?

Another C32 vs Another M3: guess who won?

 

Sorry, I have just seen all those cars race, in person, on a track, on the street, and the MB just doesn't win, at all...

 

maybe i should get a job a a pro driver then. BTW, what color is the sky in your world??

 

In fact, I'd say that those of us who actually *own* these cars, and who have actually *raced* against M cars (or AMGs in the case of the BMW M3 owners whose links I provided, and which you obviously didn't bother reading), have a bit more authority on the subject than some pro-BMW wannabe troll...

And I guess Motorweek, Edmunds, and Car & Driver, all of whom have tested the CLK55 faster than the M3 in tests (links for some of which are in my previous post), do not employ "pro drivers", but rather bring people in off the street to do their performance testing.

But you believe whatever you want, dude...frankly, your blanket statements for cars that have been tested a few tenths apart--a statistical tie, fyi, according to all three of the American magazines--shows that you are arguing from a position of ignorance, which is usually the case for people who troll Internet forums trying to get attention. Those of us who own them know better.

 

Riiight. Trollling. I have owned all three, and all the "off the street" people I know, own them now. It was my OPINION, and I was giving that opinion with FACTS from a site.

All the clowns on this forum discount the top three mags in the us, and now you are saying they are "word"..

Really most of these peeps should think before they open their one sided mouth.

 

Lol...how original, and how convenient. Is that the best you can come up with? How sad...

And of course, despite the fifteen links, detailing road tests and actual races, which show you're full of it, well, by golly, your one link trumps all of that.

Just as your supposedly having owned all three cars trumps what what all of us other *actual* owners have to say. Sure, that's it: myself, the magazines I linked to, and all of these other owners are all liars, and only you are telling the truth!! Yes, you are the Ultimate Truth, the Way, and the Light, and we mere mortals should be blessed to be sharing the same forum as you, lol....

Whatever, dude...

 

C'mon now. We all know you have had a disappointing experience with your CLK. We all know that you think spending serious money on modding MBs is a waste of money. I can respect your opinion on that, but why overstate your case by lying? You have owned an E55, M3 and CLK55? You never mentioned that before but all of a sudden you mention it when it is convenient to support your argument? Every friend you have drives one of those 3 cars? That would a pretty peculiar coincidence, even if you only had 3 friends.

 

What the F are you talking about. I was expressing my OPINION and providing a link, sorry if that offended you. Its my opinion. And your originality and knowledge far surpass mine, I know, your special.

Dude, honestly I don't care. Again, I wasn't putting down the AMG, its a great Linear beast. I was expressing an OPINION, with a website that is always on the money, and it is real world. It testing that would surpass any driver on any of these boards. Relax, really. Everyone here gets a little over sensitive when it comes to someone objectively dissagreeing with them about MB

Question, why are you "trolling" the M3 board, Jealous?

And read your own links, it was an E36 M3, driven by a teenager.

Really, you need a hug?

 

You really don't know much about cars, do you? List of 2001 CLK55: $67,500. List of 2001 E46 M3: $46,500.

But you should know that, right? As you claimed before, you have owned both of them, right? So you should have realized, given that one costs nearly 50% more than the other, that "jealousy" is a pretty ridiculous statement, given that if one could afford one CLK55, one could go buy an E46 M3 and have plenty left over, right? Lol...busted.

Expressing an opinion is one thing...implying that people are being untruthful is another. And you are going well beyond opinion. Look at what you said: you provided a link, and then proceed to basically claim that this link is "always on the money, and it is real world."

So, what are you trying to argue, that Car & Driver, MotorWeek, Edmunds.com, and the testimonies of owners are *not* real-world, and are *not* on the money? [reading posts again] why yes, that's exactly what you're trying to argue, which is why you got some well-deserved sarcasm directed your way.

You see, *I* never disputed the data you posted from Trackchallenge.com; I merely pointed out that there is plenty of other data out there which tests the cars equal, or the CLK55 faster.

You, on the other hand, are basically trying to argue that each and every other piece of data I provided with evidence to the contrary is false. Which is the same as calling me, the originator of this thread, the magazines who tested the two cars whose links I provided, and the people who wrote the other threads I provided, liars.

So, let's see here: you give one link, and it's the absolute golden standard of proof. I give fifteen others, and all are false. Thus proclaimeth our new Prophet of Reality...

And you don't see anything inherently wrong or illogical with the position you're trying to argue. Which demonstrates quite convincingly to me that you're either reality-challenged, as dumb as a post, or both.

Fifteen to your one, yet it still remains utterly impossible. Even though both cars weigh the same, and the CLK55 has 16 more horsepower and 150 ft-lb more torque.

And I did read my own links, but you obviously didn't. There are multiple stories, by multiple owners, of *E46* M3's, not E36. With every post you demonstrate your lack of reading comprehension, logical ability, and objectivity.

The bottom line is this: you clearly know nothing about cars, and you were clearly lying when you claimed to have owned all three. You are a troll, and your credibility is zero. Bye!

 

...it's a joke. Anyone who hates a car this much would have quit whining about it and sold it long ago. He's obviously a disgruntled wannabe, who probably drives nothing more fancy than a 318i, and frankly even that is a stretch...pathetic.

I've seen this type of troll on many automotive forums, and if you read through their stuff, it quickly becomes apparent that they're spinning a web of lies. But eventually, they spin a bit too much and get caught up in it.

 

Wow, you guys take things to seriously, really. I mean chill. The fact that you know nothing about me but assume that I can't do standard math is laughable. Who cares what a car costs. Thats not the point. I have CLK55 in silver, a CLK430 in black, sitting in my driveway right now. You want the contact name of the guy in texas I just ordered my E46 from? I mean really. Who are you to assume anything about me.

All I was stating in my opinion was a website that true enthusiasts and track challengers rely on for their data. A

Sleestack as far as your concerned, get over your self, really. You were one of the first to say that car and driver, road and track and edmunds were crap, so really go chase yourself.

I wasn't discounting MB"s ability at all. And that fact that you sent me 15 links, which I did read all from the bimmer forum doesn't mean crap to me. Really.. Like I said before who cares.

You all need to chill. It was an comment based on opinion and data from another one of those "fake websites". Jesus christ. i give you clowns data from road and track and edmunds and you all say F the Mag Racks. So reallly.. which one is it. Yes or No.

You know, that is the funny thing with people on this forum. Their immaturity comes out when you comment about their info, and then you pull others into it.

Really, I hope you enjoy your ///AMG MB. Its a wonderful car, a wonderful company, and super fast.

.. Oh yeah, I like that one. I am an enthusiast, who loves cars PERIOD. Doesn't matter what badge is on them as long as they perform for the reasons i bought them. Thats it, bottom line. Sorry you bought yours solely based on a status symbol, or maybe you bought it cause you love it, so good for you..

You know what, do me a favor, post some track numbers for me. Show me just what the AMG can do. I'll dig up and post the ones I have..

Geesh

 

I don't even know what you are talking about. I read R&T and C&D every month and have never said they were crap. So get over yourself.... and by the way if you really believe in your signature line "Porsche - there is no substitute," why do you have two MBs in your driveway and an M3 on order? I guess this is your 2nd M3 since you said you already had one? Why don't you scrap all three and get a TT? They are great cars and undoubtedly won't make you act like such a whiny biatch.

 

You got me Sleesy boy, here we go again. I made a decision to buy MB, so I did, now I am changing. Had an Audi, nice, but not really a car I was looking for. Porsche was an option and so was E55, family and house on the way, not that, that is any of your business so I have to look for an in between.

Better yet, whats the HP per lb for both cars? Anyone know? And you know, all I said was its all driver! Isn't that what it is with every car?!? F'ing A$$ CLOWN!

I don't need to get over myself. I am happy with who I am and what I have. It just seems you are all unhappy when someone disagrees with your OPINION. And they are all just that. You know what they say, Opinions are like A-Holes, everyone got one.

Awe, its ok, let me wipe your mangina. I promise it won't hurt. Silly A$$ Clown, I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks. I am just happy I can get a rise out of you. Thats my mission on this forum.. To dissprove the likes of you.

 

You're not getting a rise out of me. I just think it is funny that you spend so much time and energy trying to make a point and then tell everyone else to chill out. I also find it funny that you feel the need to lie to make a point. So say what you want about being happy about who you are... but it sure doesn't seem like it.

I'm not sure why your mission is to "dissprove the likes of me," given that I'm not even making any comments about cars and their performance in this thread. Everyone on this board realizes you are a total jackhole... dissprove that.

 

OK, so let's see: first, you wrote:



Then, you write:


And now, you claim:



So, we go from your having just seen all of them race, in person, on a track, on the street, to having owned (past tense) all three (which three I have yet to figure out, since we were in fact only discussing two cars) and having a circle of homeless people who currently drive CLK55's and M3's, to *currently* owning a CLK55 *and* a CLK430 and ordring an M3.

Oh, yeah, that's believable...how could anyone doubt you after reading that? Why would anyone have trouble believing that you *had* owned an M3, a CLK55, and some mysterious third car and having a large circle of homeless friends who drive nothing but CLK55's and M3's?

Or that you really *currently* own *two* CLKs, a 430 *and* a 55, and that you have an M3 on order, even though you already owned one? Why would anyone doubt that you "ordered" an M3 from Texas, but claim to live in Detroit, where there are multiple BMW dealers? Lol...

You're right: who are we to doubt someone who claims to have owned a CLK55 and an M3, then presumably sold both cars, came in here and wrote a post, then bought another CLK55 and ordered an M3 from Texas while living in "Motown" (aka Detroit) before posting again, all the while staying in constant contact with BMW- and Mercedes-driving derelicts?

Yeah, definitely...one would have to be a fool to doubt such obviously credible testimony.

Sure, post the number or contact info for the guy from whom you ordered an M3. I am actually in Texas. Where is he located? I'll look him up.