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Old Aug 13, 2014 | 05:44 PM
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Cool ML always cold need ECU pinout/voltage

My ML is running between 40-80c. I get a code po115 engine coolant temp circuit. replaced thermostat,sensor,clutchfan,waterpump,auxillary pump(secondhand) yet I get the message. checked voltage output on coolant sensor connection. I read 0.3 volts. Is this normal?

Id like to rule out wiring harness short. So can anyone provide me with the ECU pinout and voltage output of coolant sensor.

Or am I missing something?? Anyone please send me a reply
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 05:15 AM
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Before we get on to the tests, have you cleared the code with a scanner?
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 09:27 AM
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i. did. drove a couple of miles and it. came back. d the. ke on off method i read 0,3 at
the wire connector to ecu..
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 09:30 AM
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i. did. drove a couple of miles and it. came back. d the. ke on off method i read 0,3 at
the wire connector to ecu..

Please explain what the key on off method is.
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 12:23 PM
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I had a volt meter reader poked @ connector. With key off = 0 volt , with key on= 0.3 volt. Do you have specific volt information and pin number for the engine coolant temp sensor??
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Old Aug 14, 2014 | 04:13 PM
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Test must be conducted at the ECM and the ETC, according to coolant temperature. Wire numbers and their colors are supplied.
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 01:10 AM
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Where Is ect

Thanks for the diagram but where do I stick my voltmeter as far as the ecu connectors are concerned. I see abcd connector. I'm kinda dumb on this
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 05:42 AM
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There is black plastic covering each connector with a small wire tie at the end. Cut the wire tie and remove the covering.
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 11:20 AM
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Is N3/10 the pinout ill be looking for in connectors? is it on connector a b c or d? I have not opened it. Ill be working on it this weekend. Are the pinouts labeled?
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 06:34 PM
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You were the one who asked repeatedly for these test and now I'll be married to this thread until it's done,
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Have you opened the pdf ECM Connectors? It clearly shows that there are 6 connectors labeled A to F and all the pins are numbered.
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 07:07 PM
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Sorry Maj. you are the best.. I did have an idea what ill need to do but am not sure if the pins are actually labeled N3/10 . I have not opened it yet. Way back late 1980's usually if they said N3/10 it would mean connector N @pin 3/10. but here connectors are A-F, no N. I will open it this weekend and study it further. hope i get it right. Thanks for your patience.
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Old Aug 15, 2014 | 07:37 PM
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N3/10 means the ECM.

The pdf diagram shows the layout of the connectors. You only have to work with conn. E in the first test. Cut the small wire tie, remove the cover and all the wires and pins will be exposed.

Fan out the wires and in relation to the new illustration below, find wires 28E and 29E, making sure that they are the same colors that are supplied in the test.
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Old Aug 16, 2014 | 04:49 PM
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News Flash!! My voltmeter reads 0.3v @50-60 c my ohms read 700+/- . Confirmed its not my harness.. i got same reading when tested the connector at sensor side. A verdict of ECU fault is now favorable. Is there any other tests Ill need to do before i pass thisverdict. Damnn im looking @ 500-600$ on this.
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Old Aug 16, 2014 | 04:51 PM
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My voltmeter probe is kinda big to get into the ecu connector. I used sewing pins. Stuck it into the holes and probed it from there..lol. old school trick i learned from someone.
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News Flash!! My voltmeter reads 0.3v @50-60 c my ohms read 700+/- . Confirmed its not my harness.. i got same reading when tested the connector at sensor side. A verdict of ECU fault is now favorable. Is there any other tests Ill need to do before i pass thisverdict. Damnn im looking @ 500-600$ on this.

czar, you are not making this easy for me. I can't guess or assume what test you are conducting.

Open the tests again. They are numbered 8.0, 8.1 & 8.2. You must tell me the results of each test.

8.0 @ ? °C -result is what voltage

8.1 @ ? °C -result is what Ω

8.2 @ ? °C -result is what Ω
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Old Aug 17, 2014 | 01:13 PM
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8.0 @ 50c = 0.3v
8.1 @ 50c = 700 ohms
8.2 did not perform . was already sad with 8.1 test result
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Retest when the eng. is completely cold. Remember that 50°C=122°F.

Aside from you being aggravated or discouraged,it is also up to you to complete all three tests.
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Old Aug 31, 2014 | 11:44 AM
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finally did a retest..engine cold cali weather@ 66c... test 1 key @ on position voltage reading at 0.4v test 2 engine key off reading 3000+ohms test 3 3000+ ohm. Can i just buy a used ecu same model and slap it in there? Now im confirmed a sad person with a sick ecu
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Old Sep 6, 2014 | 06:43 AM
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For a replacement ecu. Do I just need to go with the part number on my existing . Or do I still need to do. Some programming / flash ecu ?

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For a replacement ecu. Do I just need to go with the part number on my existing . Or do I still need to do. Some programming / flash ecu ?

Thanks maj
First of all it is not the outside temp. that you are looking for, it is the temp. of the coolant/engine.

Secondly, ohm readings are testing the wires, not the ECU. You do not need and ECU.
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That's correct. With my engine cold. I should be at least be getting 3v. But I am getting a 0.4v. This is a voltage of a hot engine. My obd2 scanner reads -40c. But that reads off the temp sensor voltage feedback..which is questionable due to my suspected ecu voltage supply inaccuracy. So with engine cold. Not cranked at all. First thing in the morning after overnight park In Garage . These were my readings. Ohm reads consistent . If it's not ecu, what else could it be?
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To replace ecu do I just go by the ecu part number or do I still have to flash ecu. . Thinking of getting used one
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If you want to replace the ECU go right ahead and do so. Just match the number on it.

Just to check how you made the voltage test. I don't know what type of meter you have, digital, auto ranging, but I hope you had it on the correct scale.

You originally said that you got a 0.3v, if you didn't have it on the correct setting, that could mean it is actually 3.0v
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Old Sep 7, 2014 | 03:16 PM
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good question major . I had the digital meter set at the 12v setting. pls advise if not right so I can retest. tester settings are 1.5 v 6v 9v and 12v.
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It's supposed to be set on the 12v scale, but how you conducted the test I do not know. You have to make sure that you have the correct wire colors in the correct position.
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