new V8 - when ?
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new V8 - when ?
the current (and somewhat dated) V8 engine has only 13% more power than the V6 (302 horses vs 268).
Cayenne S has 340
Touareg V8 has 310
I'd never bought a W163 but became a believer with W164.
I tested a 268 hp ML 350 2 weeks ago. Great experience, excellent ride, pleasant design.
Absolutely enough horses for the rational buyer.
For myself, I'd like a bit more juice. In the Cayenne S category. And V8 of course.
When will the company that invented the merger of equals step it up ?
I'd jump on the 2006 ML w/ a V8 in the range of 330 - 360 hp.
I know it's a question of when not of if. So: WHEN ?
Cayenne S has 340
Touareg V8 has 310
I'd never bought a W163 but became a believer with W164.
I tested a 268 hp ML 350 2 weeks ago. Great experience, excellent ride, pleasant design.
Absolutely enough horses for the rational buyer.
For myself, I'd like a bit more juice. In the Cayenne S category. And V8 of course.
When will the company that invented the merger of equals step it up ?
I'd jump on the 2006 ML w/ a V8 in the range of 330 - 360 hp.
I know it's a question of when not of if. So: WHEN ?
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Originally Posted by nyca
new S class gets it first I believe.
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
There will be two--4.6 at about 430 hp and 5.5 at 480 hp, not to mention the AMG 6.3 at around 500 hp.
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Originally Posted by Paul Le Corre
430 HP for the 4,6L V8 is way too much. a 330 HP 4,6L and 380 5,5L. That sounds much more realistic.
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fenrir have you driven an ML 500? You need more horsepower than that? I would bet I could put you in a 500 and tell you it had 335 HP and you'd believe it. I rather doubt you'd buy one though because it seems as if you're just looking for excuses.
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Let's compare them right:
M-Class Touareg V8 Cayenne S
5.0L 302 hp 4.2L 310 hp V8 4.5L 340 hp V8
Horsepower 302 @ 5600 RPM 310 @ 6200 RPM 340 @ 6000 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 339 @ 2700 RPM 302 @ 3000 RPM 310 @ 2500 RPM
Also both the Touareg and the Cayenne are heavier, so I think the ML500 is a winner as far as power goes.
M-Class Touareg V8 Cayenne S
5.0L 302 hp 4.2L 310 hp V8 4.5L 340 hp V8
Horsepower 302 @ 5600 RPM 310 @ 6200 RPM 340 @ 6000 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 339 @ 2700 RPM 302 @ 3000 RPM 310 @ 2500 RPM
Also both the Touareg and the Cayenne are heavier, so I think the ML500 is a winner as far as power goes.
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Originally Posted by dserban2
Let's compare them right:
M-Class Touareg V8 Cayenne S
5.0L 302 hp 4.2L 310 hp V8 4.5L 340 hp V8
Horsepower 302 @ 5600 RPM 310 @ 6200 RPM 340 @ 6000 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 339 @ 2700 RPM 302 @ 3000 RPM 310 @ 2500 RPM
Also both the Touareg and the Cayenne are heavier, so I think the ML500 is a winner as far as power goes.
M-Class Touareg V8 Cayenne S
5.0L 302 hp 4.2L 310 hp V8 4.5L 340 hp V8
Horsepower 302 @ 5600 RPM 310 @ 6200 RPM 340 @ 6000 RPM
Torque (lb-ft) 339 @ 2700 RPM 302 @ 3000 RPM 310 @ 2500 RPM
Also both the Touareg and the Cayenne are heavier, so I think the ML500 is a winner as far as power goes.
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Considering that we speak about SUV, torque matters and on this point the M113 5,0L is still accurate, even by today's standards.
But after my idea, the ML320CDI offer an even better ride and more sensible choice. (510 NM compared to the 460NM of the ML 500)
But after my idea, the ML320CDI offer an even better ride and more sensible choice. (510 NM compared to the 460NM of the ML 500)
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engines for new S class
Just read in
http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cf...ercedes/1.html
the new S class will have the following engines:
S 350: 200 kW/272 hp V6
S 500: 285 kW/388 hp V8
S 320 CDI: 170 kW/231 hp (from first quarter 2006)
S 600: 380 kW/ 517 hp (from first quarter 2006) V12
note all hp are metric. I added the Vx from another source (www.spiegel.de)
The 285kW will likely be the new V8 for the 2007 ML 500. Cool.
http://www.germancarfans.com/news.cf...ercedes/1.html
the new S class will have the following engines:
S 350: 200 kW/272 hp V6
S 500: 285 kW/388 hp V8
S 320 CDI: 170 kW/231 hp (from first quarter 2006)
S 600: 380 kW/ 517 hp (from first quarter 2006) V12
note all hp are metric. I added the Vx from another source (www.spiegel.de)
The 285kW will likely be the new V8 for the 2007 ML 500. Cool.
