Cornering Lights
01-11-2013, 12:28 PM
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That make sense as far as justification goes, but sucks from a practical standpoint. Seems like the W164 with one "fog" light that would come on when turning was far more confusing than the W166's solution integrated into the headlight cluster. Thank to DOT for saving us from good engineering again.
01-11-2013, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Thimee
It feels like a step backward - my old 2007 S550 had both adaptive bixenon as well as cornering lights. I wonder if that slipped though regulations, or if MBUSA got a nasty letter from some officials somewhere?
At any rate, I wonder if adding cornering lights to USA ML's is a simple as adding a bulb? If all the wiring is intact it might just be... When the sun rises later today I plan to take a better look at the light cluster housing in mine to see if there is an easy way to get inside (not sure if these have a light bulb replacement access hatch in the wheel well since they're xenon and not regular bulbs).
At any rate, I wonder if adding cornering lights to USA ML's is a simple as adding a bulb? If all the wiring is intact it might just be... When the sun rises later today I plan to take a better look at the light cluster housing in mine to see if there is an easy way to get inside (not sure if these have a light bulb replacement access hatch in the wheel well since they're xenon and not regular bulbs).
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01-11-2013, 04:19 PM
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It feels like a step backward - my old 2007 S550 had both adaptive bixenon as well as cornering lights. I wonder if that slipped though regulations, or if MBUSA got a nasty letter from some officials somewhere?
At any rate, I wonder if adding cornering lights to USA ML's is a simple as adding a bulb? If all the wiring is intact it might just be... When the sun rises later today I plan to take a better look at the light cluster housing in mine to see if there is an easy way to get inside (not sure if these have a light bulb replacement access hatch in the wheel well since they're xenon and not regular bulbs).
At any rate, I wonder if adding cornering lights to USA ML's is a simple as adding a bulb? If all the wiring is intact it might just be... When the sun rises later today I plan to take a better look at the light cluster housing in mine to see if there is an easy way to get inside (not sure if these have a light bulb replacement access hatch in the wheel well since they're xenon and not regular bulbs).
01-11-2013, 07:25 PM
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OK folks if you piece all the info together it makes sense. In USA with the adaptive lights(AHA)(bixenon) it is illegal to have this style od cornering lights. Engineering calls them highspeed. The bixenon beam shines down and into the reflecter. Inside bottom which produces light to the side of the turning direction. USA law states that the beams on each side have to do the same thing on the road. Both up both down both right both left. Europe and Canada can have each side operate independently. In Canada because we are such a border country and cross to USA so much it was determined we won't get them.
Maybe enough of us can change their minds. But it is USA HTA rules that say no because of the bixenon/ctive issue. Our highbeam adaptive even is the same both side which all of MB videos show independent beams at different heights. Law has to catch up with technology. Hope this give some peace. They are capable but will not be able to be activated.
Maybe enough of us can change their minds. But it is USA HTA rules that say no because of the bixenon/ctive issue. Our highbeam adaptive even is the same both side which all of MB videos show independent beams at different heights. Law has to catch up with technology. Hope this give some peace. They are capable but will not be able to be activated.
Seems from Ians comment about the bulb (my first idea) that the "tricked out" Adaptive lights do not function as cornering lights (as MB tech group said)
This would comply with USA and CANADIAN laws so lets unite and go after them gang.
01-11-2013, 10:38 PM
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USA law states that the beams on each side have to do the same thing on the road. Both up both down both right both left.
01-13-2013, 12:59 PM
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Hey check this, my 2012 GLK has the Xenon's factory light package, with LED's where the fog lights should be, and cornering lights. I was trying to see how they did this, so I turned the wheel enough to trigger the system, and what I saw is a small bulb in the headlamp assembly that shines brightly into a reflector that then projects the light where needed in the corner. It times out after a few seconds.
Just offering this as an example to check with your ML's.
Just offering this as an example to check with your ML's.
01-13-2013, 01:15 PM
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Hey check this, my 2012 GLK has the Xenon's factory light package, with LED's where the fog lights should be, and cornering lights. I was trying to see how they did this, so I turned the wheel enough to trigger the system, and what I saw is a small bulb in the headlamp assembly that shines brightly into a reflector that then projects the light where needed in the corner. It times out after a few seconds.
Just offering this as an example to check with your ML's.
Just offering this as an example to check with your ML's.
01-13-2013, 06:45 PM
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I notice in the owners manual there is no description for replacement of the cornering lamp globe. Must be because you have to remove the HID set up and no one but an MB service tech is allowed to touch that regardless of how many engineering degrees you have. Probably deleted under advice of lawyers.
01-13-2013, 11:25 PM
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I notice in the owners manual there is no description for replacement of the cornering lamp globe. Must be because you have to remove the HID set up and no one but an MB service tech is allowed to touch that regardless of how many engineering degrees you have. Probably deleted under advice of lawyers.
01-14-2013, 01:38 PM
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OOPS! Apparently not.
Also linked to the turn signals. At, or below, 25 mph IF the turn signal is activated, the corresponding cornering light comes on regardless of steering angle input.
Funny. Our baby SUV (21012 GLK) has the cornering lamps. Clearly an extra pair of halogen bulbs mounted inboard of the primary HID Bi-Xenon lamps. Nice feature way back in the dark woods.
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Also linked to the turn signals. At, or below, 25 mph IF the turn signal is activated, the corresponding cornering light comes on regardless of steering angle input.
Funny. Our baby SUV (21012 GLK) has the cornering lamps. Clearly an extra pair of halogen bulbs mounted inboard of the primary HID Bi-Xenon lamps. Nice feature way back in the dark woods.
Wayne
Hey check this, my 2012 GLK has the Xenon's factory light package, with LED's where the fog lights should be, and cornering lights. I was trying to see how they did this, so I turned the wheel enough to trigger the system, and what I saw is a small bulb in the headlamp assembly that shines brightly into a reflector that then projects the light where needed in the corner. It times out after a few seconds.
Just offering this as an example to check with your ML's.
Just offering this as an example to check with your ML's.
Greg, as I said last week, our 2012 GLK cornering lights are a seperate halogen bulb in a seperate reflector/housing located on the inboard side of the headlight assembly. Sadly missing from the 2013 GLK also. Friggin Nanny State strikes again.
Glad we have a 2012 with cornering lights.
Wayne
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01-15-2013, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by GregW / Oregon
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Previously posted. I don't get no respect.
Sadly missing from the 2013 GLK also. Friggin Nanny State strikes again.
Glad we have a 2012 with cornering lights.
Wayne
Begs the question of why 2012 MLs don't have those feature. Must be some change in the standards that they knew was coming.
Originally Posted by venchka
Previously posted. I don't get no respect.
Sadly missing from the 2013 GLK also. Friggin Nanny State strikes again.
Glad we have a 2012 with cornering lights.
Wayne
Begs the question of why 2012 MLs don't have those feature. Must be some change in the standards that they knew was coming.
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Features online do not guarantee features on the vehicle.
If you all remember, there was a serious delay while the HID headlight unit was redesigned. The loss of cornering lights may have been the background reason. Since our GLK was built in Germany, M-B may have been able to use the same units from 2010 & 2011 on the 2012 model. The headlights were redesigned for 2013 & the cornering lights were dropped.
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If you all remember, there was a serious delay while the HID headlight unit was redesigned. The loss of cornering lights may have been the background reason. Since our GLK was built in Germany, M-B may have been able to use the same units from 2010 & 2011 on the 2012 model. The headlights were redesigned for 2013 & the cornering lights were dropped.
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01-15-2013, 02:47 PM
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When I checked on the 166 ML with cornering lights, that I took a picture of weeks ago, there were LEDs not bulbs used for the cornering light it self. The LEDs reflected against the reflector and a whiteish/blueish light was shown when in motion at night.
