Cornering Lights
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Cornering Lights
Ok, I've been reading on this forum about some people seem to have the cornering lights and others don't. I just took delivery of my new 2013 ML305 a few days ago.
It has option :
Does this include the cornering light feature or is that standard or is not available on the 2013 ML350 in the US?
Like I said, this looks like it has been hashed out to some degree on other posts but couldn't decipher if it is supposed to have it or not.
thanks!
It has option :
319 Lighting Package: Bi-Xenon Headlamps
P35 : Lighting Package
600 : Headlamp Cleaning System
608 : Adaptive Highbeam Assist
615 : Bi-Xenon Headlamps w/Active Curve IlluminationP35 : Lighting Package
600 : Headlamp Cleaning System
608 : Adaptive Highbeam Assist
Does this include the cornering light feature or is that standard or is not available on the 2013 ML350 in the US?
Like I said, this looks like it has been hashed out to some degree on other posts but couldn't decipher if it is supposed to have it or not.
thanks!
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Yes - you do have the Mercedes Intelligent Headlight system - however to understand what "cornering function" that really is - and most owner's don't understand themselves - please download the Owners Manual from the mbusa.com web site under Owners Support - save that pdf file - and read up on what your light package really does since its linked to both the steering angle sensors as well as vehicle speed sensors.
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Yes - you do have the Mercedes Intelligent Headlight system - however to understand what "cornering function" that really is - and most owner's don't understand themselves - please download the Owners Manual from the mbusa.com web site under Owners Support - save that pdf file - and read up on what your light package really does since its linked to both the steering angle sensors as well as vehicle speed sensors.
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This gets brought up quite often. The owners manual explicitly states that the ML has cornering lights when it in fact does NOT have them.
Most dealers are a bit clueless on this one as well, mine took ages to try find out, we actually ended up looking in the lenses of ML's on the showroom floor (both with and without the lighting package) to see if any had them, but none did.
Cornering lights are NOT to be confused with active curve (where the the main lights follow the steering wheel), and they are NOT some stupid reflector thing. I had them on my S-Class, they are unique individual lamps that light up when driving at low speed and the indicator is turned on or the steering wheel is turned.
The new GL has em, you can clearly see them in the headlight cluster (nice LED lamp too). See https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...ring-light.jpg
The ML however does NOT, even though the owners manual says it does. My dealer actually wrote a technical email to MBUSA because the manual says something exists on the car that actually doesn't in reality, hopefully next year's owners manual will be fixed.
I'm in the USA, perhaps the international version might be a different story?
Most dealers are a bit clueless on this one as well, mine took ages to try find out, we actually ended up looking in the lenses of ML's on the showroom floor (both with and without the lighting package) to see if any had them, but none did.
Cornering lights are NOT to be confused with active curve (where the the main lights follow the steering wheel), and they are NOT some stupid reflector thing. I had them on my S-Class, they are unique individual lamps that light up when driving at low speed and the indicator is turned on or the steering wheel is turned.
The new GL has em, you can clearly see them in the headlight cluster (nice LED lamp too). See https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...ring-light.jpg
The ML however does NOT, even though the owners manual says it does. My dealer actually wrote a technical email to MBUSA because the manual says something exists on the car that actually doesn't in reality, hopefully next year's owners manual will be fixed.
I'm in the USA, perhaps the international version might be a different story?
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Originally Posted by Thimee
This gets brought up quite often. The owners manual explicitly states that the ML has cornering lights when it in fact does NOT have them.
Most dealers are a bit clueless on this one as well, mine took ages to try find out, we actually ended up looking in the lenses of ML's on the showroom floor (both with and without the lighting package) to see if any had them, but none did.
Cornering lights are NOT to be confused with active curve (where the the main lights follow the steering wheel), and they are NOT some stupid reflector thing. I had them on my S-Class, they are unique individual lamps that light up when driving at low speed and the indicator is turned on or the steering wheel is turned.
The new GL has em, you can clearly see them in the headlight cluster (nice LED lamp too). See https://mbworld.org/forums/attachment...ring-light.jpg
The ML however does NOT, even though the owners manual says it does. My dealer actually wrote a technical email to MBUSA because the manual says something exists on the car that actually doesn't in reality, hopefully next year's owners manual will be fixed.
I'm in the USA, perhaps the international version might be a different story?
Most dealers are a bit clueless on this one as well, mine took ages to try find out, we actually ended up looking in the lenses of ML's on the showroom floor (both with and without the lighting package) to see if any had them, but none did.
Cornering lights are NOT to be confused with active curve (where the the main lights follow the steering wheel), and they are NOT some stupid reflector thing. I had them on my S-Class, they are unique individual lamps that light up when driving at low speed and the indicator is turned on or the steering wheel is turned.
The new GL has em, you can clearly see them in the headlight cluster (nice LED lamp too). See https://mbworld.org/forums/attachment...ring-light.jpg
The ML however does NOT, even though the owners manual says it does. My dealer actually wrote a technical email to MBUSA because the manual says something exists on the car that actually doesn't in reality, hopefully next year's owners manual will be fixed.
I'm in the USA, perhaps the international version might be a different story?
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Yeah, I think some dealers try the cop-out route by talking rubbish about reflectors or by trying to confuse cornering lights with active curve (get the customer off your back thing).
However those of us who have actually driven other Mercedes models in the past that have them fitted know instantly that the ML definitely does not have them in any shape or form. I drove down a dark street the first night I got mine and said "Hey, where are my cornering lights that I know and love from my S?"... There is not the slightest hint of them on the ML.
However those of us who have actually driven other Mercedes models in the past that have them fitted know instantly that the ML definitely does not have them in any shape or form. I drove down a dark street the first night I got mine and said "Hey, where are my cornering lights that I know and love from my S?"... There is not the slightest hint of them on the ML.
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Originally Posted by Thimee
Yeah, I think some dealers try the cop-out route by talking rubbish about reflectors or by trying to confuse cornering lights with active curve (get the customer off your back thing).
However those of us who have actually driven Mercedes that have them know that the ML definitely does not have them in any shape or form. I drove down a dark street the first night I got mine and said "Hey, where are my cornering lights that I know and love from my S?"... There is not the slightest hint of them on the ML.
However those of us who have actually driven Mercedes that have them know that the ML definitely does not have them in any shape or form. I drove down a dark street the first night I got mine and said "Hey, where are my cornering lights that I know and love from my S?"... There is not the slightest hint of them on the ML.
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Haha, I also spent a couple of hours trying to get my non-existent feature to work, I tried looking through the engineering menus, getting a friend to stand on the side of the road as I drove by slowly while trying all sorts of combinations (indicators + steering wheel etc). I even got a flashlight out to look at the wiring cluster on the light harness, while the wiring seems to be there there is no physical bulb that I could see.
Bleah, oh well. Probably next year's model will have them - as least we have the colour displays that our 2012 friends don't have - something we can gloat about!
Bleah, oh well. Probably next year's model will have them - as least we have the colour displays that our 2012 friends don't have - something we can gloat about!
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Haha, I also spent a couple of hours trying to get my non-existent feature to work, I tried looking through the engineering menus, getting a friend to stand on the side of the road as I drove by slowly while trying all sorts of combinations (indicators + steering wheel etc). I even got a flashlight out to look at the wiring cluster on the light harness, while the wiring seems to be there there is no physical bulb that I could see.
Bleah, oh well. Probably next year's model will have them - as least we have the colour displays that our 2012 friends don't have - something we can gloat about!
Bleah, oh well. Probably next year's model will have them - as least we have the colour displays that our 2012 friends don't have - something we can gloat about!
This whole thing is just so weird.
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Originally Posted by Thimee
Haha, I also spent a couple of hours trying to get my non-existent feature to work, I tried looking through the engineering menus, getting a friend to stand on the side of the road as I drove by slowly while trying all sorts of combinations (indicators + steering wheel etc). I even got a flashlight out to look at the wiring cluster on the light harness, while the wiring seems to be there there is no physical bulb that I could see.
Bleah, oh well. Probably next year's model will have them - as least we have the colour displays that our 2012 friends don't have - something we can gloat about!
Does the 2012 have them? If the wiring is there, is there an available socket in the headlamp cluster?
This whole thing is just so weird.
Originally Posted by Thimee
Haha, I also spent a couple of hours trying to get my non-existent feature to work, I tried looking through the engineering menus, getting a friend to stand on the side of the road as I drove by slowly while trying all sorts of combinations (indicators + steering wheel etc). I even got a flashlight out to look at the wiring cluster on the light harness, while the wiring seems to be there there is no physical bulb that I could see.
Bleah, oh well. Probably next year's model will have them - as least we have the colour displays that our 2012 friends don't have - something we can gloat about!
Does the 2012 have them? If the wiring is there, is there an available socket in the headlamp cluster?
This whole thing is just so weird.
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Cut costs? On my 1999 ML (USA spec) there was an empty bulb socket on the innermost part of the headlight. After inserting a bulb in there, it could be activated from the factory fog lamp switch on the dashboard. This wasn't a missing option on the car nor was the car marketed as having fog lights, it just had an empty slot and button. Turns out the Canadian MLs have that bulb socket used for their daytime running lights. So sometimes it's just a regional thing.
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This gets brought up quite often. The owners manual explicitly states that the ML has cornering lights when it in fact does NOT have them.
Most dealers are a bit clueless on this one as well, mine took ages to try find out, we actually ended up looking in the lenses of ML's on the showroom floor (both with and without the lighting package) to see if any had them, but none did.
Cornering lights are NOT to be confused with active curve (where the the main lights follow the steering wheel), and they are NOT some stupid reflector thing. I had them on my S-Class, they are unique individual lamps that light up when driving at low speed and the indicator is turned on or the steering wheel is turned.
The new GL has em, you can clearly see them in the headlight cluster (nice LED lamp too). See https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...ring-light.jpg
The ML however does NOT, even though the owners manual says it does. My dealer actually wrote a technical email to MBUSA because the manual says something exists on the car that actually doesn't in reality, hopefully next year's owners manual will be fixed.
I'm in the USA, perhaps the international version might be a different story?
Most dealers are a bit clueless on this one as well, mine took ages to try find out, we actually ended up looking in the lenses of ML's on the showroom floor (both with and without the lighting package) to see if any had them, but none did.
Cornering lights are NOT to be confused with active curve (where the the main lights follow the steering wheel), and they are NOT some stupid reflector thing. I had them on my S-Class, they are unique individual lamps that light up when driving at low speed and the indicator is turned on or the steering wheel is turned.
The new GL has em, you can clearly see them in the headlight cluster (nice LED lamp too). See https://mbworld.org/forums/attachmen...ring-light.jpg
The ML however does NOT, even though the owners manual says it does. My dealer actually wrote a technical email to MBUSA because the manual says something exists on the car that actually doesn't in reality, hopefully next year's owners manual will be fixed.
I'm in the USA, perhaps the international version might be a different story?
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Yes - you do have the Mercedes Intelligent Headlight system - however to understand what "cornering function" that really is - and most owner's don't understand themselves - please download the Owners Manual from the mbusa.com web site under Owners Support - save that pdf file - and read up on what your light package really does since its linked to both the steering angle sensors as well as vehicle speed sensors.
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Also linked to the turn signals. At, or below, 25 mph IF the turn signal is activated, the corresponding cornering light comes on regardless of steering angle input.
Funny. Our baby SUV (21012 GLK) has the cornering lamps. Clearly an extra pair of halogen bulbs mounted inboard of the primary HID Bi-Xenon lamps. Nice feature way back in the dark woods.
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My '13 350 does not have "cornering lights" per se'. My '06 did and they were separate dedicated lights as folks describe above. My '06 also had the lighting package. I must admit my '13's headlight pattern (with the lighting package) seems to be quite a bit wider. As mentioned the intelligent light will move a little following the steering. It may be my imagination but it seems that the combination of the light movement and the wider light pattern almost equals what I had with the cornering lights.
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My '13 350 does not have "cornering lights" per se'. My '06 did and they were separate dedicated lights as folks describe above. My '06 also had the lighting package. I must admit my '13's headlight pattern (with the lighting package) seems to be quite a bit wider. As mentioned the intelligent light will move a little following the steering. It may be my imagination but it seems that the combination of the light movement and the wider light pattern almost equals what I had with the cornering lights.
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The user manual is written for cars with different configurations - so the features described there may or may not apply to you.
If certain features do not appear on the build list of your car, then most likely, it is not included.
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Ok, I've been reading on this forum about some people seem to have the cornering lights and others don't. I just took delivery of my new 2013 ML305 a few days ago.
It has option :
Does this include the cornering light feature or is that standard or is not available on the 2013 ML350 in the US?
Like I said, this looks like it has been hashed out to some degree on other posts but couldn't decipher if it is supposed to have it or not.
thanks!
It has option :
319 Lighting Package: Bi-Xenon Headlamps
P35 : Lighting Package
600 : Headlamp Cleaning System
608 : Adaptive Highbeam Assist
615 : Bi-Xenon Headlamps w/Active Curve IlluminationP35 : Lighting Package
600 : Headlamp Cleaning System
608 : Adaptive Highbeam Assist
Does this include the cornering light feature or is that standard or is not available on the 2013 ML350 in the US?
Like I said, this looks like it has been hashed out to some degree on other posts but couldn't decipher if it is supposed to have it or not.
thanks!
I am not sure if the difference (615 v 621) is the yellow eyebrow v white, or the cornering lamps which I definitely have.
They work great. A simpler way of describing their operation is they are on when the steering is turned beyond 5 degrees, or when the indicator is on below 40 km/h (25mph). They also work they other side when in reverse.
I have looked and you cannot see the globe, as it is in a shield. It actually reflects sideways from the inner reflector.
It would be a pity to delete them from some models as the money has been spent including the reflector within the lens.
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iankayem: Out of interest, could you post a picture of your cornering lights in action? I'd love to see where they're located in the light cluster! I went and took a picture of mine (US version with the lighting package), I see there is an interesting reflector setup that doesn't seemed to be used for anything:
Notice the scalloped reflector setup - I don't see any lights, trying to look into the cluster I only see a hole where possibly a bulb could exist?
Notice the scalloped reflector setup - I don't see any lights, trying to look into the cluster I only see a hole where possibly a bulb could exist?
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The first pic is the right headlamp, taken from low angle at the side.
The second is again at the side but from a little higher above the beam.
The third is from in front, you cannot see the cornering light but you can see the glass is illuminated.
The fourth is back down low again - I was pretty well blinded by now.
The fifth is a close up from the side.
And the last is the left hand light with the cornering light off.
The second is again at the side but from a little higher above the beam.
The third is from in front, you cannot see the cornering light but you can see the glass is illuminated.
The fourth is back down low again - I was pretty well blinded by now.
The fifth is a close up from the side.
And the last is the left hand light with the cornering light off.
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Oh excellent, thanks for those!
Would you say that the source of the cornering light is coming from the area that I've highlighted below? Can you see a visible bulb or light/LED cluster perhaps? Mine seems to just have a hole in that location...
Did you just turn the steering wheel to get it the cornering lights to illuminate while the main lights were in the "auto" position (active illumination on, light stalk pushed forward to that the "A" symbol shows up?)
Would you say that the source of the cornering light is coming from the area that I've highlighted below? Can you see a visible bulb or light/LED cluster perhaps? Mine seems to just have a hole in that location...
Did you just turn the steering wheel to get it the cornering lights to illuminate while the main lights were in the "auto" position (active illumination on, light stalk pushed forward to that the "A" symbol shows up?)
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Yes your arrow is correct. The globe is behind that fluted cover. Its beam shines onto that "interesting reflector setup" as you described it earlier.
The lights are on Auto with the steering turned 5+ degrees. The stalk may be forward but that doesn't matter as I am below 45km/h when parked in the garage.
Sorry that the headlights are dirty, its been pretty dusty with high winds lately.
The lights are on Auto with the steering turned 5+ degrees. The stalk may be forward but that doesn't matter as I am below 45km/h when parked in the garage.
Sorry that the headlights are dirty, its been pretty dusty with high winds lately.
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OK folks if you piece all the info together it makes sense. In USA with the adaptive lights(AHA)(bixenon) it is illegal to have this style od cornering lights. Engineering calls them highspeed. The bixenon beam shines down and into the reflecter. Inside bottom which produces light to the side of the turning direction. USA law states that the beams on each side have to do the same thing on the road. Both up both down both right both left. Europe and Canada can have each side operate independently. In Canada because we are such a border country and cross to USA so much it was determined we won't get them.
Maybe enough of us can change their minds. But it is USA HTA rules that say no because of the bixenon/ctive issue. Our highbeam adaptive even is the same both side which all of MB videos show independent beams at different heights. Law has to catch up with technology. Hope this give some peace. They are capable but will not be able to be activated.
Maybe enough of us can change their minds. But it is USA HTA rules that say no because of the bixenon/ctive issue. Our highbeam adaptive even is the same both side which all of MB videos show independent beams at different heights. Law has to catch up with technology. Hope this give some peace. They are capable but will not be able to be activated.
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It feels like a step backward - my old 2007 S550 had both adaptive bixenon as well as cornering lights. I wonder if that slipped though regulations, or if MBUSA got a nasty letter from some officials somewhere?
At any rate, I wonder if adding cornering lights to USA ML's is a simple as adding a bulb? If all the wiring is intact it might just be... When the sun rises later today I plan to take a better look at the light cluster housing in mine to see if there is an easy way to get inside (not sure if these have a light bulb replacement access hatch in the wheel well since they're xenon and not regular bulbs).
At any rate, I wonder if adding cornering lights to USA ML's is a simple as adding a bulb? If all the wiring is intact it might just be... When the sun rises later today I plan to take a better look at the light cluster housing in mine to see if there is an easy way to get inside (not sure if these have a light bulb replacement access hatch in the wheel well since they're xenon and not regular bulbs).
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OK folks if you piece all the info together it makes sense. In USA with the adaptive lights(AHA)(bixenon) it is illegal to have this style od cornering lights. Engineering calls them highspeed. The bixenon beam shines down and into the reflecter. Inside bottom which produces light to the side of the turning direction. USA law states that the beams on each side have to do the same thing on the road. Both up both down both right both left. Europe and Canada can have each side operate independently. In Canada because we are such a border country and cross to USA so much it was determined we won't get them.
Maybe enough of us can change their minds. But it is USA HTA rules that say no because of the bixenon/ctive issue. Our highbeam adaptive even is the same both side which all of MB videos show independent beams at different heights. Law has to catch up with technology. Hope this give some peace. They are capable but will not be able to be activated.
Maybe enough of us can change their minds. But it is USA HTA rules that say no because of the bixenon/ctive issue. Our highbeam adaptive even is the same both side which all of MB videos show independent beams at different heights. Law has to catch up with technology. Hope this give some peace. They are capable but will not be able to be activated.
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That make sense as far as justification goes, but sucks from a practical standpoint. Seems like the W164 with one "fog" light that would come on when turning was far more confusing than the W166's solution integrated into the headlight cluster. Thank to DOT for saving us from good engineering again.
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