Merge W166/X166 ML/GLE/GL Forums
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Well, actually, I have made a good case at merging the forums. They are W166 chassis and should be in the same group - just as the rest of this forum is organized. IE - W203, W211, W222, etc etc. I am just truly surprised all MB enthusiast in this forum cannot agree the w166 ML and GLE are the same car.
Another good case I can bring up is that when dealership technicians are looking up WIS for any work they’re doing on these cars. The manual does not signify whether it’s an ML or GLE - it just states W166…. If that doesn’t tell you these forums shouldn’t be merged then idk what to tell you.
Does doing your hair differently make you a different person? Ironically, someone getting "face-lift surgery" does not make them a different person - just refreshes their look, but they are still the same person. Just because there are refreshments from year to year on a car model does not mean that it is a different car. It just happens to be that the ML in 2016 had its nomenclature changed to match the rest of the MB lineups. For example - I replaced my rear air vents on my ML63. The work instructions were the same for a 2014 W166 ML as it was for a 2018 W166 GLE, even used photos from an ML.
Another good case I can bring up is that when dealership technicians are looking up WIS for any work they’re doing on these cars. The manual does not signify whether it’s an ML or GLE - it just states W166…. If that doesn’t tell you these forums shouldn’t be merged then idk what to tell you.
Does doing your hair differently make you a different person? Ironically, someone getting "face-lift surgery" does not make them a different person - just refreshes their look, but they are still the same person. Just because there are refreshments from year to year on a car model does not mean that it is a different car. It just happens to be that the ML in 2016 had its nomenclature changed to match the rest of the MB lineups. For example - I replaced my rear air vents on my ML63. The work instructions were the same for a 2014 W166 ML as it was for a 2018 W166 GLE, even used photos from an ML.
I drove a ML 350 from 2016- 2019 and I have sat inside a GLE as well (after my ML was unfortunately totaled) and upon sitting inside both cars, I can honestly say that it is not the same thing. Some of the things the GLE has that the ML doesnt have are the following (just to name a few):
1) A new steering wheel with completely different button arragments
2) Drive mode selector, this knob was placed in a space where there was storage
3) Different version of comand NTG
4) Mouse pad and bigger knob selector to choose what you wanna do on the navigation
5) Different headlight and rear light assembly
If someone where to bring up an issue that they are having, what "MB enthusiast" who drives a ML would be able to field these issues? Its like saying a toaster is the same thing as an Air-Fyer, i mean same functionality right? but you cant tell a air-fryer user to solve a problem on a toaster. You cant say that every MB veteran enthusiast would support such a drastic change. Questions will get lost and people will get confused like its nothing.
You can make the argument that, Oh there were users that did mod's to make the ML look like the GLE, but at the end of the day is it a GLE? Absolutely Not!
when you also say: If that doesn’t tell you these forums shouldn’t be merged then idk what to tell you.
the ML and GLE are the same chasis yes i get that. But it doesnt mean they are the same. My first MBZ was a 2014 E E350, the facelifted from the 2010-2013 models, and they are not the same at all either. Even if the engine is the same as the pre-facelifted models. Your basically making a merge happen that will confuse more people than you think. Just because you think it will make less confusion, does not mean everyone else will. A new MB user will not know what is what.
Last edited by drwolf; Jul 21, 2021 at 03:56 PM.
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when you say: I am just truly surprised all MB enthusiast in this forum cannot agree the w166 ML and GLE are the same car.
I drove a ML 350 from 2016- 2019 and I have sat inside a GLE as well (after my ML was unfortunately totaled) and upon sitting inside both cars, I can honestly say that it is not the same thing. Some of the things the GLE has that the ML doesnt have are the following (just to name a few):
1) A new steering wheel with completely different button arragments
2) Drive mode selector, this knob was placed in a space where there was storage
3) Different version of comand NTG
4) Mouse pad and bigger knob selector to choose what you wanna do on the navigation
5) Different headlight and rear light assembly
If someone where to bring up an issue that they are having, what "MB enthusiast" who drives a ML would be able to field these issues? Its like saying a toaster is the same thing as an Air-Fyer, i mean same functionality right? but you cant tell a air-fryer user to solve a problem on a toaster. You cant say that every MB veteran enthusiast would support such a drastic change. Questions will get lost and people will get confused like its nothing.
You can make the argument that, Oh there were users that did mod's to make the ML look like the GLE, but at the end of the day is it a GLE? Absolutely Not!
when you also say: If that doesn’t tell you these forums shouldn’t be merged then idk what to tell you.
the ML and GLE are the same chasis yes i get that. But it doesnt mean they are the same. My first MBZ was a 2014 E E350, the facelifted from the 2010-2013 models, and they are not the same at all either. Even if the engine is the same as the pre-facelifted models. Your basically making a merge happen that will confuse more people than you think. Just because you think it will make less confusion, does not mean everyone else will. A new MB user will not know what is what.
I drove a ML 350 from 2016- 2019 and I have sat inside a GLE as well (after my ML was unfortunately totaled) and upon sitting inside both cars, I can honestly say that it is not the same thing. Some of the things the GLE has that the ML doesnt have are the following (just to name a few):
1) A new steering wheel with completely different button arragments
2) Drive mode selector, this knob was placed in a space where there was storage
3) Different version of comand NTG
4) Mouse pad and bigger knob selector to choose what you wanna do on the navigation
5) Different headlight and rear light assembly
If someone where to bring up an issue that they are having, what "MB enthusiast" who drives a ML would be able to field these issues? Its like saying a toaster is the same thing as an Air-Fyer, i mean same functionality right? but you cant tell a air-fryer user to solve a problem on a toaster. You cant say that every MB veteran enthusiast would support such a drastic change. Questions will get lost and people will get confused like its nothing.
You can make the argument that, Oh there were users that did mod's to make the ML look like the GLE, but at the end of the day is it a GLE? Absolutely Not!
when you also say: If that doesn’t tell you these forums shouldn’t be merged then idk what to tell you.
the ML and GLE are the same chasis yes i get that. But it doesnt mean they are the same. My first MBZ was a 2014 E E350, the facelifted from the 2010-2013 models, and they are not the same at all either. Even if the engine is the same as the pre-facelifted models. Your basically making a merge happen that will confuse more people than you think. Just because you think it will make less confusion, does not mean everyone else will. A new MB user will not know what is what.
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w163 55 AMG, w164, w210, w639, w126 , w211,w220
when you say: I am just truly surprised all MB enthusiast in this forum cannot agree the w166 ML and GLE are the same car.
I drove a ML 350 from 2016- 2019 and I have sat inside a GLE as well (after my ML was unfortunately totaled) and upon sitting inside both cars, I can honestly say that it is not the same thing. Some of the things the GLE has that the ML doesnt have are the following (just to name a few):
1) A new steering wheel with completely different button arragments
2) Drive mode selector, this knob was placed in a space where there was storage
3) Different version of comand NTG
4) Mouse pad and bigger knob selector to choose what you wanna do on the navigation
5) Different headlight and rear light assembly.
I drove a ML 350 from 2016- 2019 and I have sat inside a GLE as well (after my ML was unfortunately totaled) and upon sitting inside both cars, I can honestly say that it is not the same thing. Some of the things the GLE has that the ML doesnt have are the following (just to name a few):
1) A new steering wheel with completely different button arragments
2) Drive mode selector, this knob was placed in a space where there was storage
3) Different version of comand NTG
4) Mouse pad and bigger knob selector to choose what you wanna do on the navigation
5) Different headlight and rear light assembly.
Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W_166
W166 Wiki.de
or
The Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class is a sport utility vehicle (SUV) built by the German car manufacturer Mercedes-Benz. The GLE-Class name was used in 2015 for the facelifted Mercedes-Benz M-Class (W166)[34] and the new five-door coupé derivative GLE-Class Coupe (C292) which was unveiled to the public in January 2015 at the North American International Auto Show. As part of Mercedes-Benz's new naming strategy, the GLE-Class will define the SUV's positioning in the middle of its segment and between the future GLC and GLS-Classes (the former GLK and GL, respectively), the same way the E-Class is positioned in relation to the C and S-Classes.
Source :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_GLE-Class
MB GLE wiki.en
You have to realize that every facelift is different - sometimes the changes are less visible, sometimes the other way around. Then there is an extensive facelift, such as the S-Class in 2017, which included a complete replacement of the engines, which is not usual with a facelift. Usually a few versions in the engine menu change. Here is what the class S facelift brought in 2017:
- complete change of engine offer
- transition from six-cylinder to in-line for diesel and petrol
- transition to 48V wiring
- Diesel fans have finally seen a powerful 400d engine with an output of 250 kW
- M256 six-cylinder petrol engines have an electric turbo
- The car leans against the centrifugal force when cornering to ensure greater comfort for the crew
- The S63 AMG 4Matic + can accelerate to 100 in an incredible 3.5 seconds!
- The S500 is no longer an eight-cylinder, but an in-line six-cylinder. His place with the V8 was replaced by a stronger S560 model
- the four-cylinder diesel disappeared from the offer, which according to customers was undignified
Another car as you say came in 2019 or the GLE of the fourth generation
First generation 1997-2005
Second generation 2005-2011
Third generation 2011-2019
Fourth generation 2019-
If you were right you would have to do this:
First generation 1997-2005
Second generation 2005-2011
Third generation 2011-2015
Fourth generation 2015-2019
Fifth generation 2019-
... but it's not like that, and you know for sure. You also know that the last ML was the w166 and the first GLE is still the w166 so it can't be another car. So leave it at that, because it's getting annoying all the time to read the nonsense that the GLE w166 is a different car than the ML w166 and urge to have a different steering wheel, different lights, a mouse pad, different lights, a different drive mode location and other versions NTG command ...Are you listening at all? Do you really feel like another car? Even the old ML w163 has other lights on the face at the front and back. Other bumpers at the front and rear, new brake brakes, larger brake discs, a different container for the sprayers, window controls located elsewhere ... etc and no one claims to have another car. Nobody here even claims that the GLE is a different car. The name GLE didn't catch on here either /Europe/- everyone says facelift ML. Rather, I'm starting to think you want a user with the nickname: PeteyV to go crazy. You had a lot of fun with me from the beginning and I took it as a joke. Now that I see the argument, it has gone from a joke to a despair. Annoying despair.
Last edited by Mijanboy; Jul 22, 2021 at 08:48 AM.
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w163 55 AMG, w164, w210, w639, w126 , w211,w220
, I am selling a car. I have more cars that I do not have in my profile. W166 somehow didn't dazzle me. It's not a bad car, but it's not fun. It's great fun with the ML55 and I want to buy an old military class G . I prefer older models. I sold the w221 after 2 months, I will also sell the w220 and buy the w140.
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During the facelift in 2015, the name was changed from ML to GLE and the engine designation was changed. The GLE was first introduced at the New York Motor Show and will be available from August 2015. For the first time, it can also be ordered with rear-wheel drive. As a result, the initial price of the GLE 250 d will drop to € 53,967.
Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W_166
W166 Wiki.de
or
The Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class is a sport utility vehicle (SUV) built by the German car manufacturer Mercedes-Benz. The GLE-Class name was used in 2015 for the facelifted Mercedes-Benz M-Class (W166)[34] and the new five-door coupé derivative GLE-Class Coupe (C292) which was unveiled to the public in January 2015 at the North American International Auto Show. As part of Mercedes-Benz's new naming strategy, the GLE-Class will define the SUV's positioning in the middle of its segment and between the future GLC and GLS-Classes (the former GLK and GL, respectively), the same way the E-Class is positioned in relation to the C and S-Classes.
Source :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_GLE-Class
MB GLE wiki.en
You have to realize that every facelift is different - sometimes the changes are less visible, sometimes the other way around. Then there is an extensive facelift, such as the S-Class in 2017, which included a complete replacement of the engines, which is not usual with a facelift. Usually a few versions in the engine menu change. Here is what the class S facelift brought in 2017:
- complete change of engine offer
- transition from six-cylinder to in-line for diesel and petrol
- transition to 48V wiring
- Diesel fans have finally seen a powerful 400d engine with an output of 250 kW
- M256 six-cylinder petrol engines have an electric turbo
- The car leans against the centrifugal force when cornering to ensure greater comfort for the crew
- The S63 AMG 4Matic + can accelerate to 100 in an incredible 3.5 seconds!
- The S500 is no longer an eight-cylinder, but an in-line six-cylinder. His place with the V8 was replaced by a stronger S560 model
- the four-cylinder diesel disappeared from the offer, which according to customers was undignified
Another car as you say came in 2019 or the GLE of the fourth generation
First generation 1997-2005
Second generation 2005-2011
Third generation 2011-2019
Fourth generation 2019-
If you were right you would have to do this:
First generation 1997-2005
Second generation 2005-2011
Third generation 2011-2015
Fourth generation 2015-2019
Fifth generation 2019-
... but it's not like that, and you know for sure. You also know that the last ML was the w166 and the first GLE is still the w166 so it can't be another car. So leave it at that, because it's getting annoying all the time to read the nonsense that the GLE w166 is a different car than the ML w166 and urge to have a different steering wheel, different lights, a mouse pad, different lights, a different drive mode location and other versions NTG command ...Are you listening at all? Do you really feel like another car? Even the old ML w163 has other lights on the face at the front and back. Other bumpers at the front and rear, new brake brakes, larger brake discs, a different container for the sprayers, window controls located elsewhere ... etc and no one claims to have another car. Nobody here even claims that the GLE is a different car. The name GLE didn't catch on here either /Europe/- everyone says facelift ML. Rather, I'm starting to think you want a user with the nickname: PeteyV to go crazy. You had a lot of fun with me from the beginning and I took it as a joke. Now that I see the argument, it has gone from a joke to a despair. Annoying despair.
Source: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W_166
W166 Wiki.de
or
The Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class is a sport utility vehicle (SUV) built by the German car manufacturer Mercedes-Benz. The GLE-Class name was used in 2015 for the facelifted Mercedes-Benz M-Class (W166)[34] and the new five-door coupé derivative GLE-Class Coupe (C292) which was unveiled to the public in January 2015 at the North American International Auto Show. As part of Mercedes-Benz's new naming strategy, the GLE-Class will define the SUV's positioning in the middle of its segment and between the future GLC and GLS-Classes (the former GLK and GL, respectively), the same way the E-Class is positioned in relation to the C and S-Classes.
Source :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_GLE-Class
MB GLE wiki.en
You have to realize that every facelift is different - sometimes the changes are less visible, sometimes the other way around. Then there is an extensive facelift, such as the S-Class in 2017, which included a complete replacement of the engines, which is not usual with a facelift. Usually a few versions in the engine menu change. Here is what the class S facelift brought in 2017:
- complete change of engine offer
- transition from six-cylinder to in-line for diesel and petrol
- transition to 48V wiring
- Diesel fans have finally seen a powerful 400d engine with an output of 250 kW
- M256 six-cylinder petrol engines have an electric turbo
- The car leans against the centrifugal force when cornering to ensure greater comfort for the crew
- The S63 AMG 4Matic + can accelerate to 100 in an incredible 3.5 seconds!
- The S500 is no longer an eight-cylinder, but an in-line six-cylinder. His place with the V8 was replaced by a stronger S560 model
- the four-cylinder diesel disappeared from the offer, which according to customers was undignified
Another car as you say came in 2019 or the GLE of the fourth generation
First generation 1997-2005
Second generation 2005-2011
Third generation 2011-2019
Fourth generation 2019-
If you were right you would have to do this:
First generation 1997-2005
Second generation 2005-2011
Third generation 2011-2015
Fourth generation 2015-2019
Fifth generation 2019-
... but it's not like that, and you know for sure. You also know that the last ML was the w166 and the first GLE is still the w166 so it can't be another car. So leave it at that, because it's getting annoying all the time to read the nonsense that the GLE w166 is a different car than the ML w166 and urge to have a different steering wheel, different lights, a mouse pad, different lights, a different drive mode location and other versions NTG command ...Are you listening at all? Do you really feel like another car? Even the old ML w163 has other lights on the face at the front and back. Other bumpers at the front and rear, new brake brakes, larger brake discs, a different container for the sprayers, window controls located elsewhere ... etc and no one claims to have another car. Nobody here even claims that the GLE is a different car. The name GLE didn't catch on here either /Europe/- everyone says facelift ML. Rather, I'm starting to think you want a user with the nickname: PeteyV to go crazy. You had a lot of fun with me from the beginning and I took it as a joke. Now that I see the argument, it has gone from a joke to a despair. Annoying despair.
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If it should be absolutely correct, then the GLE class should be clicked, the model series w163, w164, w166, w167 should appear.
This is the only possible correct and accurate version, according to which some websites already work.
Open the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page en.wiki.org
and type in the search engine: Mercedes ML
and click on search ....
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