M275 V12 Bi-Turbo Platform Technical discussion relating to models sharing the M275 V12 Bi-Turbo (V12 TT). Including SL600, SL65 AMG, CL600, CL65 AMG, S600, S65 AMG.
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Old Mar 8, 2025 | 05:06 PM
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Does this motor have a dedicated forum because it is troublesome or popular?

Just wondering how the M275 came to have a dedicated forum?

Does it have a lot of problems, or is it just a very popular platform?

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Old Mar 9, 2025 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Sixcarbs
Just wondering how the M275 came to have a dedicated forum?

Does it have a lot of problems, or is it just a very popular platform?

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it has its own forum because it's a different beast. There are a lot of things unique to the 275 like the fuel system and the ignition system. Even the water cooled alternator and IC system are different than what you'll find on other engines.
The fact that it has an almost cult-like following doesn't hurt either.
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Old Mar 9, 2025 | 11:42 AM
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Let's not forget that the M275 family is all derived from the M285 V12 TT which was developed for the W240 Maybach 57/62 line! When it came out in early 2004, the M285 was the most powerful production motor in the world. The M285 has higher boost/tune giving it higher HP/Torque #s than the base M275's. Then of course AMG took over tuning the M275 to produce their 65-series motors.

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Old Mar 10, 2025 | 07:12 AM
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The M275 entered production in 2003. It was based off the ill-fated M137 which suffered from quality issues, including bore problems the cylinder block.

The M285 was an effort to get more power from the M275 and it was the basis for the AMG variant found in the 65s.
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Old Mar 10, 2025 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by feets
The M275 entered production in 2003. It was based off the ill-fated M137 which suffered from quality issues, including bore problems the cylinder block.

The M285 was an effort to get more power from the M275 and it was the basis for the AMG variant found in the 65s.
It seems we have a "chicken and egg" situation going on here, with a little mythology thrown in. My source is the Maybach 57/62 article on Wikipedia. Maybach development began in late 1990's and it is perfectly reasonable to assume that the M285 was developed specifically for this brand new, ultra-premium motorcar. Simultaneously, the W220 was in development with the M137 as the designated V12 motor. When the M137 proved to be troublesome, M-B modified the M285 for the W220 and called it M275. Naturally they could not put the same motor from their $300K+ sedan in the $100K+ S600, so they had to "de-tune" the M275. They already had enough trouble moving the Maybach without buyers realizing they could buy three S600s for the price of a single Maybach.

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Old Mar 10, 2025 | 12:53 PM
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Instead of relying on Wikipedia with it's public access editing, I relied on my experience working at Mercedes when the M275 was released.

it's very likely the M285 development started alongside the M137 as a performance oriented variant. The two are quite similar.
It was clear early on that the M137, having even lower output than the outgoing M120, would not be capable of dragging around a lard-infested Maybach with anything resembling acceptable performance.

Other than the center sump oil pan the M275 found in the 57 and 62 are the exact same as the 220, 215, and 230 cars.
The 57S and 62S received the high output engines of the 65.
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lard-infested
How mature!
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While extremely nice and well equipped, the Maybach was far heavier than necessary.
I'd love to have one to play with but I do not want to pay for the care and feeding it requires.
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While extremely nice and well equipped, the Maybach was far heavier than necessary.
I'd love to have one to play with but I do not want to pay for the care and feeding it requires.
240 chassis Maybach was built on revised 140 chassis. Large, heavy, flexible compared with newer S-Class.
Much as I love a big car the 240 chassis Maybach is just too big and not sporting enough for my taste.

Once one drives a six liter AMG bent-12.... you’re hooked.

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Originally Posted by JohnLane
240 chassis Maybach was built on revised 140 chassis. Large, heavy, flexible compared with newer S-Class.
Much as I love a big car the 240 chassis Maybach is just too big and not sporting enough for my taste.

Once one drives a six liter AMG bent-12.... you’re hooked.
Believe it or not, MB wanted everyone who touched a W240 to hold special certifications. Even the parts guys were supposed to be Maybach certified before they looked up parts. Few of us were. Most did it without certs. I did mine along with the SLR so we could show that someone in the store had the qualifications.

The M120 was also a 6 liter bent 12. It was a good engine (I have one for a roadster project) but it was no M275.
The M120 wants to zing and get all rev happy. The M275 wants to brute force its way through life.
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Originally Posted by feets
Believe it or not, MB wanted everyone who touched a W240 to hold special certifications. Even the parts guys were supposed to be Maybach certified before they looked up parts. Few of us were. Most did it without certs. I did mine along with the SLR so we could show that someone in the store had the qualifications.

The M120 was also a 6 liter bent 12. It was a good engine (I have one for a roadster project) but it was no M275.
The M120 wants to zing and get all rev happy. The M275 wants to brute force its way through life.
Very cool that MB wanted good people with certifications! Good for you that you got to partake.

I put 120,000 miles on a '96 S-600. Loved it. The snarl of that naturally aspirated bent-12 was magic.

I'd still like to sample the AMG seven liter version of the 120.

I've put many miles on a 275 powered S-65 and now a 222 car with the 279. Love the progress made with each generation.

279 and the seven speed are great.

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Other than the center sump oil pan the M275 found in the 57 and 62 are the exact same as the 220, 215, and 230 cars.
Doesn't the M275 5.5 have a different control unit variant than the M285 5.5? My tuner mentioned it because he said the, in his opinion, M285's excellent programming unfortunately couldn't be imported into the M275 control unit.
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