Belgian Gran Prix! HOLY CRAP!
09-09-2008, 07:49 PM
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Well I guess they will hear the appeal, according to TSN.CA
"The matter will now go before the FIA's International Court of Appeal. A date has yet to be set but the governing body said it the hearing would be held in Paris before the Singapore Grand Prix, which is scheduled for September 28th."
although I would contend that it is to late as it should be completed before the next race in my not so humble opinion.
"The matter will now go before the FIA's International Court of Appeal. A date has yet to be set but the governing body said it the hearing would be held in Paris before the Singapore Grand Prix, which is scheduled for September 28th."
although I would contend that it is to late as it should be completed before the next race in my not so humble opinion.
09-10-2008, 02:47 PM
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dude he (King Lewis) got robbed
plain and simple
It was a DOPE ending though not matter what the final outcome of the appeals is. And if they don't give him back the win it will be a really second half of the season with him and Massa so close
BTW: Did anyone else think that the helicopter shots were sooo sick of the car coming up the hill (if you were watching on Speed Network)?
plain and simple
It was a DOPE ending though not matter what the final outcome of the appeals is. And if they don't give him back the win it will be a really second half of the season with him and Massa so close
BTW: Did anyone else think that the helicopter shots were sooo sick of the car coming up the hill (if you were watching on Speed Network)?
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09-10-2008, 05:09 PM
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Well, well,
Seems ol' Ron Dennis had cleared with Whitemarsh "the pass." Then the local stewards made a different choice....
This will not go away quickly.
It will be a complete shame if this controversy effects the year end results.
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Seems ol' Ron Dennis had cleared with Whitemarsh "the pass." Then the local stewards made a different choice....
This will not go away quickly.
It will be a complete shame if this controversy effects the year end results.
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09-10-2008, 07:21 PM
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You mean charlie whiting. Whitmarsh works for mclaren.
09-10-2008, 08:10 PM
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I just watched the race this morning. Although I already knew the outcome and controversy. I hope that the FIA reverses their decision. In any case LH will will have a fire in him for Monza.
09-10-2008, 09:49 PM
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They were the most epic shots ever!
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BTW: Did anyone else think that the helicopter shots were sooo sick of the car coming up the hill (if you were watching on Speed Network)?
09-12-2008, 03:03 AM
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Pat Symonds weighs in....
From http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70457 :
Symonds: Spa penalty will stifle racing
By Jonathan Noble
Renault director of engineering Pat Symonds believes Lewis Hamilton was hard done with his Belgian Grand Prix penalty - and reckons the controversy will only harm attempts to make the sport more exciting.
Speaking on the official Renault podcast in the wake of Hamilton being stripped of victory for gaining an advantage by cutting a chicane, the highly respected Symonds sees nothing wrong with the way that Hamilton let Raikkonen retake the lead as they battled at Spa-Francorchamps.
And although rubbishing accusations in the media and from fans that the penalty was evidence of a bias towards Ferrari by F1's chiefs, he thinks there are implications from the controversy that could result in drivers being less willing to take risks in the future.
"As it happened in real time, we were talking on the intercom and said: 'Wow that was definitely a situation where he has to give the place back,'" he said. "I guess we weren't that surprised when the stewards were found to be investigating it. Having looked at it again, I feel very, very sorry for Lewis. I think he has been very hard done
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"It raises lots of interesting questions, and I am not talking about 'Are the FIA on the side of Ferrari?' We have to believe that they are impartial, the sport would not exist if we didn't believe that. But I think it does call into question [the sport's] philosophy, because everyone is saying we need more overtaking in Formula One, we need more excitement, and we need more personalities.
"And yet it seems to me that everything that actually happens seems to be against that.
"Here we had a great race with people really challenging each other and for why? If it's taken away, then why take that risk?"
Symonds has looked at video replays of the incident since Sunday's race and now believes that Hamilton had complied with the rules and not gained an advantage by cutting the chicane.
"To me the facts are quite clear in retrospect. I have had a look at the videos, I've had a look at the published data which shows that Lewis was nearly 7 km/h slower than Raikkonen across the line, you can quite clearly see on the in-car camera that he lets him get completely in front, and in my view Raikkonen just braked very early.
"Lewis went inside him, and if you look at the in-car camera stuff, Lewis drove around the hairpin very easily. He didn't have a big slide, he didn't have to correct it, he hadn't gone in too deep and come out wide, it was a perfectly legitimate manouevre, and it wasn't that much later that Raikkonen went past him.
"This is racing, this is what we want."
And Symonds believes that more should be done to improve the speed by which decisions are made.
"I think motor racing should be like football, not like cricket," he said, with stewards taking two hours to decide on Hamilton's punishment on Sunday night. "Let's have action, let's know what is going on in real time, not wait for two days to find out the result."
By Jonathan Noble
Renault director of engineering Pat Symonds believes Lewis Hamilton was hard done with his Belgian Grand Prix penalty - and reckons the controversy will only harm attempts to make the sport more exciting.
Speaking on the official Renault podcast in the wake of Hamilton being stripped of victory for gaining an advantage by cutting a chicane, the highly respected Symonds sees nothing wrong with the way that Hamilton let Raikkonen retake the lead as they battled at Spa-Francorchamps.
And although rubbishing accusations in the media and from fans that the penalty was evidence of a bias towards Ferrari by F1's chiefs, he thinks there are implications from the controversy that could result in drivers being less willing to take risks in the future.
"As it happened in real time, we were talking on the intercom and said: 'Wow that was definitely a situation where he has to give the place back,'" he said. "I guess we weren't that surprised when the stewards were found to be investigating it. Having looked at it again, I feel very, very sorry for Lewis. I think he has been very hard done
by.
"It raises lots of interesting questions, and I am not talking about 'Are the FIA on the side of Ferrari?' We have to believe that they are impartial, the sport would not exist if we didn't believe that. But I think it does call into question [the sport's] philosophy, because everyone is saying we need more overtaking in Formula One, we need more excitement, and we need more personalities.
"And yet it seems to me that everything that actually happens seems to be against that.
"Here we had a great race with people really challenging each other and for why? If it's taken away, then why take that risk?"
Symonds has looked at video replays of the incident since Sunday's race and now believes that Hamilton had complied with the rules and not gained an advantage by cutting the chicane.
"To me the facts are quite clear in retrospect. I have had a look at the videos, I've had a look at the published data which shows that Lewis was nearly 7 km/h slower than Raikkonen across the line, you can quite clearly see on the in-car camera that he lets him get completely in front, and in my view Raikkonen just braked very early.
"Lewis went inside him, and if you look at the in-car camera stuff, Lewis drove around the hairpin very easily. He didn't have a big slide, he didn't have to correct it, he hadn't gone in too deep and come out wide, it was a perfectly legitimate manouevre, and it wasn't that much later that Raikkonen went past him.
"This is racing, this is what we want."
And Symonds believes that more should be done to improve the speed by which decisions are made.
"I think motor racing should be like football, not like cricket," he said, with stewards taking two hours to decide on Hamilton's punishment on Sunday night. "Let's have action, let's know what is going on in real time, not wait for two days to find out the result."
09-12-2008, 03:08 AM
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(Ralf) Schumacher also weighs in...
From http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headline...08173841.shtml :
Ralf Schumacher also denounces Hamilton penalty
Ralf Schumacher, a winner of six Grand Prix who left Formula One at the end of last year, has sided with those who believe FIA officials were wrong to strip Lewis Hamilton of his Belgian Grand Prix victory.
The German, whose elder brother Michael won five World Championships with Ferrari, believes the Spa-Francorchamps episode is yet another piece of evidence that the Italian team is favoured by Formula One's ruling body.
"Lewis deserved to win but it was taken away," Schumacher, who now races in the German touring car series DTM, wrote in the German newspaper Bild. "To me, it was fair overtaking," he added.
Ralf, 33, said the 2008 championship fight has entered a "crucial phase."
"In my experience, Ferrari has always had priority in Formula One, which we have seen in many situations," he insisted.
In the German-speaking world, Schumacher is certainly not a lone voice, with the former triple World Champion Niki Lauda on Monday dramatically denouncing the stewards' decision as the worst "in the history of F1."
Ferrari's team boss Stefano Domenicali commented only reluctantly, telling reporters that he thought Hamilton's tactics in passing Kimi Raikkonen were "a little bit extreme."
The notorious Italian press was more forthright.
Summarising the race, the sports daily Corriere dello Sport said: "Hamilton wins but then loses, because he cannot resist the temptation to try to be smarter than the others."
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Ralf Schumacher, a winner of six Grand Prix who left Formula One at the end of last year, has sided with those who believe FIA officials were wrong to strip Lewis Hamilton of his Belgian Grand Prix victory.
The German, whose elder brother Michael won five World Championships with Ferrari, believes the Spa-Francorchamps episode is yet another piece of evidence that the Italian team is favoured by Formula One's ruling body.
"Lewis deserved to win but it was taken away," Schumacher, who now races in the German touring car series DTM, wrote in the German newspaper Bild. "To me, it was fair overtaking," he added.
Ralf, 33, said the 2008 championship fight has entered a "crucial phase."
"In my experience, Ferrari has always had priority in Formula One, which we have seen in many situations," he insisted.
In the German-speaking world, Schumacher is certainly not a lone voice, with the former triple World Champion Niki Lauda on Monday dramatically denouncing the stewards' decision as the worst "in the history of F1."
Ferrari's team boss Stefano Domenicali commented only reluctantly, telling reporters that he thought Hamilton's tactics in passing Kimi Raikkonen were "a little bit extreme."
The notorious Italian press was more forthright.
Summarising the race, the sports daily Corriere dello Sport said: "Hamilton wins but then loses, because he cannot resist the temptation to try to be smarter than the others."
© CAPSIS International
Source: GMM
09-12-2008, 01:07 PM
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The more I think about it, the more I hate this.
So, Kimi could have chosen to brake ANYWHERE, and still Hami couldn't pass. Then the rules should state, no passing until after the first corner....
This just gets more ridiculous.
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So, Kimi could have chosen to brake ANYWHERE, and still Hami couldn't pass. Then the rules should state, no passing until after the first corner....
This just gets more ridiculous.
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09-12-2008, 02:00 PM
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*** retarded! very frustration day to read this stuff! The renault guy summed it up perfectly.
The red team should step up and denounce this win and denounce the decision by the stewards.!
The red team should step up and denounce this win and denounce the decision by the stewards.!
09-21-2008, 02:41 PM
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I think tomorrow is the big day when FIA meets to hear Mclaren protest on the K.H L.H chican pass B.S.!
I'll be praying for justice!
I'll be praying for justice!
09-21-2008, 11:11 PM
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i'll light a candle !
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Me, Too on the candle. I dont know how this can go any other way than to reverse the decision. He outbroke KR into the first corner cleanly, this is racing after all not a macramay(sp) class. That being said now that they have said that they must not pass before the next corner it is clearer and a repeat incident would deserve the penalty.
09-22-2008, 04:16 PM
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I know that the odds are very much against me, but I believe they will reverse the stewards post race drive through penalty. 
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The FIA’s International Court of Appeal has thrown out McLaren’s case against Lewis Hamilton’s recent Belgian Grand Prix penalty on the grounds that their appeal was inadmissible.
Hamilton had 25 seconds added to his Spa race time for gaining an advantage by cutting a chicane whilst fighting Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen for the lead. This was given in place of a drive-through penalty, as the incident occurred late in the race, and drive-throughs are not susceptible to appeal under the International Sporting Code.
McLaren had appealed the stewards' decision, which saw Hamilton drop from first to third in the Belgian results, on the grounds that their driver had relinquished the lead back to Raikkonen immediately following the incident in order to negate any advantage. They also cited the fact that on two occasions race control had told the team that Hamilton’s conduct appeared to be within the rules.
However, the Court rejected McLaren’s right to appeal, citing Paragraph 5 of Article 152 of the International Sporting Code, which states: “Penalties of driving through or stopping in pit lanes together with certain penalties specified in FIA Championship regulations where this is expressly stated, are not susceptible to appeal.”
The Court's decision means Hamilton’s championship lead remains at just a single point over Ferrari’s Felipe Massa, who inherited the victory at Spa.
The International Court of Appeal's decision in full:
At the Grand Prix of Belgium, run on 7 September 2008, and counting towards the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, the Stewards of the meeting imposed a drive-through penalty upon the driver of car No. 22, Lewis Hamilton, for a breach of Article 30.3 (a) of the 2008 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations and Appendix L, Chapter 4, Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.
As the drive-through penalty was imposed at the end of the race, 25 seconds were added to the driver’s elapsed race time in accordance with Article 16.3 of the FIA 2008 Formula One Sporting Regulations.
Article 152 of the International Sporting Code states that drive-through penalties are “not susceptible to appeal”.
The competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes appealed the Steward’s decision before the International Court of Appeal in a hearing in Paris on September 22nd.
Having heard the explanations of the parties the Court has concluded that the appeal is inadmissible."
From The F1 Site. -
How disgusting that the race is being won in the stewarts shack now and noone had the courage to right this wrong- Go Ferrari, I guess rooting for any other team apparently is a waste of time. Further why go through this farce for a pre ordained outcome.
Hamilton had 25 seconds added to his Spa race time for gaining an advantage by cutting a chicane whilst fighting Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen for the lead. This was given in place of a drive-through penalty, as the incident occurred late in the race, and drive-throughs are not susceptible to appeal under the International Sporting Code.
McLaren had appealed the stewards' decision, which saw Hamilton drop from first to third in the Belgian results, on the grounds that their driver had relinquished the lead back to Raikkonen immediately following the incident in order to negate any advantage. They also cited the fact that on two occasions race control had told the team that Hamilton’s conduct appeared to be within the rules.
However, the Court rejected McLaren’s right to appeal, citing Paragraph 5 of Article 152 of the International Sporting Code, which states: “Penalties of driving through or stopping in pit lanes together with certain penalties specified in FIA Championship regulations where this is expressly stated, are not susceptible to appeal.”
The Court's decision means Hamilton’s championship lead remains at just a single point over Ferrari’s Felipe Massa, who inherited the victory at Spa.
The International Court of Appeal's decision in full:
At the Grand Prix of Belgium, run on 7 September 2008, and counting towards the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, the Stewards of the meeting imposed a drive-through penalty upon the driver of car No. 22, Lewis Hamilton, for a breach of Article 30.3 (a) of the 2008 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations and Appendix L, Chapter 4, Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.
As the drive-through penalty was imposed at the end of the race, 25 seconds were added to the driver’s elapsed race time in accordance with Article 16.3 of the FIA 2008 Formula One Sporting Regulations.
Article 152 of the International Sporting Code states that drive-through penalties are “not susceptible to appeal”.
The competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes appealed the Steward’s decision before the International Court of Appeal in a hearing in Paris on September 22nd.
Having heard the explanations of the parties the Court has concluded that the appeal is inadmissible."
From The F1 Site. -
How disgusting that the race is being won in the stewarts shack now and noone had the courage to right this wrong- Go Ferrari, I guess rooting for any other team apparently is a waste of time. Further why go through this farce for a pre ordained outcome.
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How disgusting that the race is being won in the stewarts shack now and noone had the courage to right this wrong- Go Ferrari, I guess rooting for any other team apparently is a waste of time. Further why go through this farce for a pre ordained outcome.
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The FIA’s International Court of Appeal has thrown out McLaren’s case against Lewis Hamilton’s recent Belgian Grand Prix penalty on the grounds that their appeal was inadmissible.
Hamilton had 25 seconds added to his Spa race time for gaining an advantage by cutting a chicane whilst fighting Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen for the lead. This was given in place of a drive-through penalty, as the incident occurred late in the race, and drive-throughs are not susceptible to appeal under the International Sporting Code.
McLaren had appealed the stewards' decision, which saw Hamilton drop from first to third in the Belgian results, on the grounds that their driver had relinquished the lead back to Raikkonen immediately following the incident in order to negate any advantage. They also cited the fact that on two occasions race control had told the team that Hamilton’s conduct appeared to be within the rules.
However, the Court rejected McLaren’s right to appeal, citing Paragraph 5 of Article 152 of the International Sporting Code, which states: “Penalties of driving through or stopping in pit lanes together with certain penalties specified in FIA Championship regulations where this is expressly stated, are not susceptible to appeal.”
The Court's decision means Hamilton’s championship lead remains at just a single point over Ferrari’s Felipe Massa, who inherited the victory at Spa.
The International Court of Appeal's decision in full:
At the Grand Prix of Belgium, run on 7 September 2008, and counting towards the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, the Stewards of the meeting imposed a drive-through penalty upon the driver of car No. 22, Lewis Hamilton, for a breach of Article 30.3 (a) of the 2008 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations and Appendix L, Chapter 4, Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.
As the drive-through penalty was imposed at the end of the race, 25 seconds were added to the driver’s elapsed race time in accordance with Article 16.3 of the FIA 2008 Formula One Sporting Regulations.
Article 152 of the International Sporting Code states that drive-through penalties are “not susceptible to appeal”.
The competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes appealed the Steward’s decision before the International Court of Appeal in a hearing in Paris on September 22nd.
Having heard the explanations of the parties the Court has concluded that the appeal is inadmissible."
From The F1 Site. -
How disgusting that the race is being won in the stewarts shack now and noone had the courage to right this wrong- Go Ferrari, I guess rooting for any other team apparently is a waste of time. Further why go through this farce for a pre ordained outcome.
Hamilton had 25 seconds added to his Spa race time for gaining an advantage by cutting a chicane whilst fighting Ferrari’s Kimi Raikkonen for the lead. This was given in place of a drive-through penalty, as the incident occurred late in the race, and drive-throughs are not susceptible to appeal under the International Sporting Code.
McLaren had appealed the stewards' decision, which saw Hamilton drop from first to third in the Belgian results, on the grounds that their driver had relinquished the lead back to Raikkonen immediately following the incident in order to negate any advantage. They also cited the fact that on two occasions race control had told the team that Hamilton’s conduct appeared to be within the rules.
However, the Court rejected McLaren’s right to appeal, citing Paragraph 5 of Article 152 of the International Sporting Code, which states: “Penalties of driving through or stopping in pit lanes together with certain penalties specified in FIA Championship regulations where this is expressly stated, are not susceptible to appeal.”
The Court's decision means Hamilton’s championship lead remains at just a single point over Ferrari’s Felipe Massa, who inherited the victory at Spa.
The International Court of Appeal's decision in full:
At the Grand Prix of Belgium, run on 7 September 2008, and counting towards the 2008 FIA Formula One World Championship, the Stewards of the meeting imposed a drive-through penalty upon the driver of car No. 22, Lewis Hamilton, for a breach of Article 30.3 (a) of the 2008 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations and Appendix L, Chapter 4, Article 2 (g) of the International Sporting Code.
As the drive-through penalty was imposed at the end of the race, 25 seconds were added to the driver’s elapsed race time in accordance with Article 16.3 of the FIA 2008 Formula One Sporting Regulations.
Article 152 of the International Sporting Code states that drive-through penalties are “not susceptible to appeal”.
The competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes appealed the Steward’s decision before the International Court of Appeal in a hearing in Paris on September 22nd.
Having heard the explanations of the parties the Court has concluded that the appeal is inadmissible."
From The F1 Site. -
How disgusting that the race is being won in the stewarts shack now and noone had the courage to right this wrong- Go Ferrari, I guess rooting for any other team apparently is a waste of time. Further why go through this farce for a pre ordained outcome.
this makes me sic!
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Hammy tells off the fiarrari lawyer.
Lewis Hamilton rounded on a Ferrari lawyer yesterday as he attempted to move a step closer to his dream of becoming Formula One world champion.
Lawyers representing McLaren, the FIA and Ferrari argued whether the appeal against a 25-second drive-through penalty imposed against Hamilton at the Belgian Grand Prix 15 days ago was admissible.
During the Paris hearing - the result is due later today - Hamilton held firm under cross-examination from Ferrari's counsel, Nigel Tozzi QC. He turned on Tozzi and said: "Are you a racing driver? No.
"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book.
"We are talking about a skilled driver under intense pressure making a split-second decision which no one, not unless they are in Formula One, can comprehend."
Lewis Hamilton rounded on a Ferrari lawyer yesterday as he attempted to move a step closer to his dream of becoming Formula One world champion.
Lawyers representing McLaren, the FIA and Ferrari argued whether the appeal against a 25-second drive-through penalty imposed against Hamilton at the Belgian Grand Prix 15 days ago was admissible.
During the Paris hearing - the result is due later today - Hamilton held firm under cross-examination from Ferrari's counsel, Nigel Tozzi QC. He turned on Tozzi and said: "Are you a racing driver? No.
"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book.
"We are talking about a skilled driver under intense pressure making a split-second decision which no one, not unless they are in Formula One, can comprehend."
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Hammy tells off the fiarrari lawyer.
Lewis Hamilton rounded on a Ferrari lawyer yesterday as he attempted to move a step closer to his dream of becoming Formula One world champion.
Lawyers representing McLaren, the FIA and Ferrari argued whether the appeal against a 25-second drive-through penalty imposed against Hamilton at the Belgian Grand Prix 15 days ago was admissible.
During the Paris hearing - the result is due later today - Hamilton held firm under cross-examination from Ferrari's counsel, Nigel Tozzi QC. He turned on Tozzi and said: "Are you a racing driver? No.
"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book.
"We are talking about a skilled driver under intense pressure making a split-second decision which no one, not unless they are in Formula One, can comprehend."
Lewis Hamilton rounded on a Ferrari lawyer yesterday as he attempted to move a step closer to his dream of becoming Formula One world champion.
Lawyers representing McLaren, the FIA and Ferrari argued whether the appeal against a 25-second drive-through penalty imposed against Hamilton at the Belgian Grand Prix 15 days ago was admissible.
During the Paris hearing - the result is due later today - Hamilton held firm under cross-examination from Ferrari's counsel, Nigel Tozzi QC. He turned on Tozzi and said: "Are you a racing driver? No.
"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book.
"We are talking about a skilled driver under intense pressure making a split-second decision which no one, not unless they are in Formula One, can comprehend."
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"I have been a racing driver since I was eight years old and I know pretty much every single manoeuvre in the book.."
-Knowing the red means stop... and not by using your opponent as a stopper.
-Knowing that cutting chicanes is frowned upon.
-Knowing that worn tyres should be changed before beaching yourself on the kitty litter.
-Knowing that you're not supposed to bump your former team mates from behind.
-Knowing that you're not supposed to hit the wrong button on your steering wheel when going into the final championship race.
"We are talking about a skilled driver under intense pressure making a split-second decision which no one, not unless they are in Formula One, can comprehend."
Get ready to see the spoiled brat choke for the second year in a row.
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Well said Lewis! Except of course for:
-Knowing the red means stop... and not by using your opponent as a stopper.
-Knowing that cutting chicanes is frowned upon.
-Knowing that worn tyres should be changed before beaching yourself on the kitty litter.
-Knowing that you're not supposed to bump your former team mates from behind.
-Knowing that you're not supposed to hit the wrong button on your steering wheel when going into the final championship race.
Is this why most of the other drivers said an advantage had indeed been gained and not given back?
Get ready to see the spoiled brat choke for the second year in a row.
-Knowing the red means stop... and not by using your opponent as a stopper.
-Knowing that cutting chicanes is frowned upon.
-Knowing that worn tyres should be changed before beaching yourself on the kitty litter.
-Knowing that you're not supposed to bump your former team mates from behind.
-Knowing that you're not supposed to hit the wrong button on your steering wheel when going into the final championship race.
Is this why most of the other drivers said an advantage had indeed been gained and not given back?
Get ready to see the spoiled brat choke for the second year in a row.
Plus: based on LH's logic, the arguments of MM's lawyers must be equally invalid (unless MM has lawyers who are former F1 drivers)
Lawyers representing McLaren, the FIA and Ferrari argued whether the appeal against a 25-second drive-through penalty imposed against Hamilton at the Belgian Grand Prix 15 days ago was admissible.
...Ferrari's counsel, Nigel Tozzi QC. He turned on Tozzi and said: "Are you a racing driver? No.
...Ferrari's counsel, Nigel Tozzi QC. He turned on Tozzi and said: "Are you a racing driver? No.
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and based on the posts above Kimi should keep the car out of the wall, they dont run as well afterward. what's the point to the two posts above. all drives have oopses, but if that is all you have to crtique him on that barrell must be pretty empty?
