Pressure bleeding the brakes
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Pressure bleeding the brakes
I recently did the rear brakes and a fluid change on a CLK430. I own a Motive brake pressure bleeder, but have never been able to get it to work on the CLK.
This is the procedure:
The pressure bleeder works fine on other cars, and will hold pressure while on the CLK, so I don't think the problem is with the bleeder. Since it would take forever to change the fluid using my pressure bleeder, the last two times I changed the fluid I used the "pump - pump - pump - hold" method.
I read something earlier this week that said on a Mercedes-Benz with ASR, a minimum of 2 Bar is required to pressure bleed the brakes.
Here's the question: Has anyone ever pressurized their brake fluid reservoir to 2+ Bar? It's not a problem on my pressure bleeder as it will easily hold 30 PSI. I'm trying to avoid blowing a hole in the master cylinder reservoir and spraying a liter paint eating brake fluid all over myself, the car, the garage, my wife's car, the garage fridge, and well, you get the point.
Thanks in advance
This is the procedure:
- The cap for the master cylinder reservoir comes off
- Use a MityVac to drain the old brake fluid from the master cylinder reservoir
- Fill the master cylinder reservoir with fresh fluid.
- Dump a liter of brake fluid into the pressure bleeder
- Attach the cap with it's line from the pressure bleeder to the master cylinder reservoir.
- Pump up the pressure bleeder to 20 PSI.
The pressure bleeder works fine on other cars, and will hold pressure while on the CLK, so I don't think the problem is with the bleeder. Since it would take forever to change the fluid using my pressure bleeder, the last two times I changed the fluid I used the "pump - pump - pump - hold" method.
I read something earlier this week that said on a Mercedes-Benz with ASR, a minimum of 2 Bar is required to pressure bleed the brakes.
Here's the question: Has anyone ever pressurized their brake fluid reservoir to 2+ Bar? It's not a problem on my pressure bleeder as it will easily hold 30 PSI. I'm trying to avoid blowing a hole in the master cylinder reservoir and spraying a liter paint eating brake fluid all over myself, the car, the garage, my wife's car, the garage fridge, and well, you get the point.
Thanks in advance
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I have the exact same bleeder and have used it on numerous vehicles, following the same method that you outlined above. I normally pressurize from 20 to 25 psi. I share your concerns with too much pressure. I would also believe that my C is more or less similar to your CLK.
How about loosening the bleeders more, my C bleeders have deep seats. Also, is your hose connected to the bleeder pulling or pressing the bleeder that would block the flow?
Some bleeding methods detail keeping the pedal depressed approximately 1/2" to 1" (a small block between the pedal and its stop). However, I'm unsure of the reason.
How about loosening the bleeders more, my C bleeders have deep seats. Also, is your hose connected to the bleeder pulling or pressing the bleeder that would block the flow?
Some bleeding methods detail keeping the pedal depressed approximately 1/2" to 1" (a small block between the pedal and its stop). However, I'm unsure of the reason.
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I have the exact same bleeder and have used it on numerous vehicles, following the same method that you outlined above. I normally pressurize from 20 to 25 psi. I share your concerns with too much pressure. I would also believe that my C is more or less similar to your CLK.
How about loosening the bleeders more, my C bleeders have deep seats. Also, is your hose connected to the bleeder pulling or pressing the bleeder that would block the flow?
How about loosening the bleeders more, my C bleeders have deep seats. Also, is your hose connected to the bleeder pulling or pressing the bleeder that would block the flow?
The document I read regarding the pressure requirement on an ASR equipped car was in an MBCA technical publication (the name of which escapes me). At any rate, I’m going to assume that they’re correct and test it again with 30 PSI in the near future.
The brake master cylinder has a piston that moves back and forth in a bore. A normal wear pattern gets established in that bore. When the piston is allowed to extend past that normal wear area (like when the pedal is on the floorboard), it causes excess wear on the piston seal. This excess wear can result in early replacement of the master cylinder. Putting a block beneath the pedal while bleeding prevents the pedal from extending beyond what’s normal. This prevents the piston in the master cylinder from extending beyond it’s normal wear area.
Although I refer to it as the pump and hold method, that's not exactly what I do. I do a one man method where I run a line from the bleeder to a bleeder bottle. Motive sells bleeder bottles too, but I use another brand. I attach the line, loosen the nipple, pump the brakes (making sure no to let the MC reservoir run dry), and retighten the bleeder nipple. It's something like this:
![](http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/3986/bleedbrake350x261bh3.jpg)
I prefer the pressure bleeder though.