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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 02:32 PM
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I thought the 7spd trans fluid can be used in the 5 spd gearboxes. It may be less $$$. Did anyone check?
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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by uberwgn
I thought the 7spd trans fluid can be used in the 5 spd gearboxes. It may be less $$$. Did anyone check?
I remember talking to a parts guy and he said the same thing about the ATF -- he also mentioned that the newer spec'd ATF was a little cheaper but I don't remember how much.

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Old Sep 26, 2007 | 03:49 PM
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I've got the TSB covering the details...I just need to find it again
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Old Sep 27, 2007 | 06:28 PM
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Note to "Ask Mobil":

Originally Posted by uberwgn

Re. 229.51 spec oils

Hi, I'm trying to sort through a few things. Your spec sheet for M1 0W40 doesn't show that it meets 229.51 oil spec, yet the product in the store does. Somebody might want to address that.

We've heard that the new 5W40 Formula M oil is no longer recommended for Mercedes gas cars and is only to be used in the diesels. There was a TSB issued and they also claim they're reverting to M1 0W40 for their bulk oil. We've heard that there's some problem with (all) 229.51 spec oils and gas cars running ethanol blended fuels. Any comments on what the issues/concerns are?

Also, how can MBUSA be reverting to M1 0W40 for their bulk oil if it too covers 229.51??


Originally Posted by Matt from Mobil 1

Thank you for your inquiry.

Mobil 1 0W-40 does not claim MB 229.51 but MB 229.5 and that should be consistent with the PDS and the label per the information we have.

We are checking on the question regarding Mobil 1 Formula M 5W-40 for gasoline engines. Mercedes-Benz may be making changes in that regards, but at this time we do not have their final decision.

-Matt xxx

Originally Posted by uberwgn

Matt, thanks for your note. I'm not the only one to report seeing 229.51 on the 0W40 product. I'll see if I can come up with a foto of the label.

Please let me know what the concerns are with the 5W40 ESP in gasoline cars.

Thanks again,

uber

...and there you have it!
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Old Sep 27, 2007 | 06:37 PM
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On the subject of Tranny Fluid I asked Exxon/Mobile and Pennzoil if they had an fluid that meet the mercedes spec. Exxon/Mobile said No.

Pennzoil said closely to this:

According to my reference material your vehicle requires a Mercedes-Benz P/N 001-989-21-03-10 (Shell 3403-M 115) atf. This product is not available in the U.S. except at dealerships.

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Amsoil does have a product that they claim meets the spec. But so far it is Amsoil or MB dealer for transmission fluid.
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by vettdvr
I bought 0w40 M1 at autozone that clearly stated meeting 229.51 on the back of the bottle. That is what I used on the last change.

Vett, can you grab a quick picture of the rear label on the bottle for us?

Thx.
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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by uberwgn
Vett, can you grab a quick picture of the rear label on the bottle for us?

Thx.
I went to store and took a photo, but today it is different. Today is is 0w40 Eurpoean Formula with meeting MB spec 229.5 The previous oil was 0w40 but did not state Eurpoean Formula but without the container I can't confirm it meet 229.51
Attached Thumbnails Mobil 1-m1-european.jpg   Mobil 1-m1-0w40-5.jpg  

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Old Sep 28, 2007 | 01:57 PM
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Use Royal Purple 5W40 in your V12 or V8 engines. www.royalpurple.com

Use RP MAX-ATF in your Power Steering.

Use RP MAX-Gear in your rearend diff.

Use factory MB Oil in your Trans. ONLY!!
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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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I have changed my oil twice on my C230 with Mobil 1 0W-40, and none of those bottles listed 229.51. I just checked the other 4 cases I bought and they all just list 229.5. I run E85 (Ethanol), and have been doing oil analysis since new, and have had good results with Mobil 1 0W-40.
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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 03:51 PM
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I run E85 (Ethanol), and have been doing oil analysis since new, and have had good results with Mobil 1 0W-40.
What differences do you notice with E85 over Petrol?
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Old Oct 12, 2007 | 04:04 PM
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What differences do you notice with E85 over Petrol?
30% reduction in fuel mileage, 28% less cost, improved throttle response, and less CO2 emissions. So it is basically a wash for me. Just trying to do my part reducing dependence on foreign oil, and promote development of alternative fuels. I will admit current corn based ethanol is not a good choice for that, but keeping demand high, will push for improved more responsible and economical forms of producing it.

I have also read that it reduces carbon buildup in the engine, but I can't physically confirm that.
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Old Oct 14, 2007 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by uberwgn
I thought the 7spd trans fluid can be used in the 5 spd gearboxes. It may be less $$$. Did anyone check?
Yes, the newer and better 7-speed fluid can be used in 5-speed, but not vise versa. The 7-speed fluid can be bought at slightly over $7 pe rliter.

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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 03:53 AM
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I have also read that it reduces carbon buildup in the engine, but I can't physically confirm that.
Use a finger in the end of the tailpipe. Compare with a gasoline car. I bet your E85 fueled car is cleaner.
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