BoBcanada

I'm bored so here it goes I found that Ml63 does 0-60 in 4.8 and 0-120 in 17 sec, rs6 does 0-120 in around 17.3 so ml63 is faster. Now on dragtimes avarage 1/4 time for rs6 is from 12.6 to 12.8 @ 108 mph. So what do you think ml63 would run same time? I think it should be able to run 12.6 or 7 with 108 or 110 mph!



http://www.dragtimes.com/results.php...arch+DragTimes


Discuss.

crjag

I don't think it would be that fast, because you're going to run into those nasty laws of physics again. The drag and mass of this vehicle begin to take a serious toll as speed increases, and with a Cayenne TT listed at 13.3 (I couldn't find posted times for a CTTS, but did find a TechArt Cayenne with 500+ HP that shaved the 0-60 but couldn't do much to the 1/4), I think it might be only a bit faster.

Ted Baldwin

.....I am actually interested in this topic although I do not have an ML63. I currently have a modified 05 G55K that has the unofficial record of being the fastest Mercedes 4x4 with a 1/4 mile time of 12.9. I know my reign will not be for ever. I however doubt that in stock form, the ML63 will be that fast.

Ted

BoBcanada

Im lazy to search the #s but cayenne weight much more than ml! plus ML63 has 7 gears if it geared right it might be very fast! But im no drag race expert!

PhilS

The curb weight of the ML63 is 5093#
The curb weight of the Cayenne Turbo is 5192#

The Cayenne Turbo has a 6 speed Tiptronic S transmission

Car & Driver magazine test results of the Cayenne Turbo: 1/4 mile 13.5 sec @ 104 MPH //// 0 to 60 MPH 5.0 sec

Phil

BoBcanada

nope the difference is 440 pounds or exactly 200 KG taken from official AMG and Porsche sites.

Do your homework.

crjag

Also, C&D is notorious for having the fastest times of any car site/mag, I think Autoweek tends to have more realistic times. They list CTT at 5.19 0-60 right in line with Porsche time of 5.2. CTTS listed at 4.8, but note that CTTS has greater torque than ML63 until later in the rev band, probably after ro is reached, whereas ML^# holds on to torque later, so could be CTTS faster 0-60, ML63 faster in 1/4? or at least closing gap...

PhilS

I don't know about what figures you are using, but mine were taken directly from the brochures for the USA versions of the 2006 Porsche Cayenne Turbo and the 2007 Mercedes ML63 AMG. I did my homework. I figure I used pretty good sources for my numbers. If you got your figures for the ML63 from the AMG site, they are probably for the less equipped Euro version of the ML63.

I also confirmed my numbers at the USA websites for MBUSA and PCNA. They both show the same curb weights I quoted. Maybe you need to do your homework.

Phil

Whoopsy

http://www.mercedes-benz.ca/index.cfm?id=6379

In the Canadian site the ML63 is listed as 5230lbs, even porkier that the US version, maybe they put in extra insulations for the Canadian winters.

Ted Baldwin

.........that thing weighs almost the same as a 2005 G55K with Kompressor. 5590lbs. I am suprised. The G55 carries its 100lb spare tire in the back. Remove it and the weight difference almost dissappears. http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...G55&class=06_G

Ted

BoBcanada

true ml63 is about 500kg heavier than e63 which is not that surprising!

PhilS

Which makes the ML63 38lbs heavier than the Canadian version of the Cayenne Turbo (5192lbs). I would expect the Cayenne to weigh more since it has true off-road capabilities (that the ML63 does not). Wonder why the ML63 weighs so much?

Phil

BoBcanada

Maybe its a marketing move? They make you think that ML63 is as heavy as cayenne but yet it is faster then cayenne? lol <-- if that makes sense lol

No but seriously from what i heard and read few articles they said that ML63 is lighter than cayenne turbo?!

Canadian benz site lists ml63 @ 2370 kg

European Porsche site lists cayenne S @ 2,430 kg

So they ARE about the same weight i think all that extra ML weight has somtihng to do with ML handling.

PhilS

I think you have to be careful comparing Euro versions with the North American versions. The equipment levels are some times quite different. For those of us in NA we need to look at the Canadian or USA versions for comparison. In the USA versions, the Cayenne Turbo weighs 101# more than the ML63. In the Canadian versions, the Cayenne Turbo weights 38# less than the ML63. The ML63 should be faster than the 450 HP Cayenne. That might change with the refreshed 2008 Cayenne that will start to show up early in 2007. It is rumored to have 500 HP.

I don't know if the weight has to do with handling. It just seems that MB makes heavy cars. I can't believe how much our SL weighs.

Phil

BoBcanada

well dont forget that Cayenne turbo S has 520 hp and 500 ft of trq!

PhilS

I tend to use the Cayenne Turbo for comparison with the ML63 since they are around the same price (in the USA). If the refreshed 2008 Turbo has 500 HP I can only imagine what the future Turbo S may have.................550 HP????

Phil

BoBcanada

Well they build ml63 to compete with turbo S as far as i know.

AWDman

the decisive factor would be gearing.
does anyone know the max speed in gears for cayenne and ml63?

i had calculated ml63's based on ratios, final drive and tire size som etime back but tossed the data.

if you really want a crazy 1/4 mile time - buy a ml63. get 19" rims , mount 295/30 tires and go for it.

PhilS

When the ML63 was first announced the Turbo S didn't exist, so I don't know how that could have been the vehicle they built the ML63 to compete with. I think the target for the ML63 was the Turbo. Here in the USA they priced the ML63 about the same as the regular Cayenne Turbo. And they gave it a similar equipment level. I am pretty sure the largest market for the ML63 will be the USA.

The Porsche first came out in 2003. The ML63 as a 2007. Will Porsche take the game to a new level with their 2008 model??

Phil

BoBcanada

Oh yeah i bet new cayenne will be much better! no question about it.

But then again what surprises me is that 520 hp turbo S is still slower 2 seconds to 200 km/h!

PhilS

A turbo will typically be slower than a normally aspirated engine due to turbo lag.

BoBcanada

Btw just red in automobile article that this big heavy tank can lap nuderburgring at 8:30 if you brave enough. Not bad.

mnS6365

Was just looking up this info before first track day tomorrow. This is super old thread but I’ll report back. 2013 ML63 w/mods.

Joshinator99

@mnS6365 How did it do?